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What wattage is flea wattage?
eponymous cowherd wrote: I often see the term flea watt amp, but do not know what the cut off point for this is. What is the threshold between flea watts and the rest? Mostly any given SET or SE amplifier with a rating of 3 watts or less. Mostly less. Inevitably you will see a posting from Andre Jute (Andrew Jute McCoy) on this, as the subject is near-and-dear to what passes for its heart. You will also be sent to its website wherein you will be propagandized with a lot of dysfunctional drivel, bad data and what would be anywhere outside a church taken for rampant lies. The bottom line is that such equipment is highly specialized, requires matching to equally highly specialized speakers, and is severely limited in dynamic range and response. The speakers required are what is laughingly known as "full-range, point-source single drivers", wherein "full range" is defined as something well over 100hz to something well under 20Khz, so fine for solo voice, limited instrumentation and so forth. That is not to say that the equipment will not pass signal above or below said range, but that the speakers will not be capable of moving the requisite amount of air to be in any way audible beyond those limits. However it is a cult in itself, often treated as "revealed religion" by its adherents who can be rigidly and nastily strident about it. Hence the church comment above. All of the above is only my opinion, but watch the byplay as it develops. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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What wattage is flea wattage?
The bottom line is that such equipment is highly specialized, requires matching to equally highly specialized speakers, and is severely limited in dynamic range and response. The speakers required are what is laughingly known as "full-range, point-source single drivers", wherein "full range" is defined as something well over 100hz to something well under 20Khz, so fine for solo voice, limited instrumentation and so forth. That is not to say that the equipment will not pass signal above or below said range, but that the speakers will not be capable of moving the requisite amount of air to be in any way audible beyond those limits. I think generalizing SE like that is a bit on the harsh side (no pun intended). Horn-loaded multi driver speakers are also good with flea-watters. I think realistic full range for single drivers is actually in the 40 hertz range normally for a good one. Mine are strong to the 40's, and audible in the low 30's. Good dynamic range, defintion, and frequency extension is possible with flea-watt amps. You just need higher quality speakers. You cant take a bunch of mid quality drivers, crossover the hell out of them to get a flat response at 86dB/m, and expect to drive the mess with a couple of watts. The real bottom line on flea-watters: There is simply a crowd of experimenters who believe that less is more, and aren't afraid to put a little time and effort into matching (or building) thier speakers to compliment these type of amps. The only way to judge this type of setup is to listen to a good one for yourself and make up your own mind. After I finally get my 300B and 2a3 amps done, I'm going to pp triode amps to experiment, in class a and ab. With PP, very low power triodes can be used for a couple of watts. So many choices to try with my Cornwalls. ALL diy rules. Bob H. |
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What wattage is flea wattage?
Hi RATs!
"Flea Wattage" is the other end of the scale which is terminated by "Krell Hell". If you enjoy listening to Music, it doesn't matter where on the scale the system playing is located. It is not a musical property. Music is for sissies and fags and old geezers like me. Real macho web snipers use meters to measure their orgasms. It is all meaningless bull****. Either dig the tunes or suck your meter probes. This ain't some la-la candyland. The engineering geeks couldn't find their soul with both hands and a flashlight. Happy Ears! Al P.S. Sigh |
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What wattage is flea wattage?
And at that precise point, the flame wars began...
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What wattage is flea wattage?
Bob H. wrote: I think generalizing SE like that is a bit on the harsh side (no pun intended). A bit. But flea-watters are not revealed religion either. Experimenters, hobbyists and the curious are entitled to do as they please. One hopes that they enjoy both the process and the results. And one hopes that they share their experiences. The difference between "sharing" and "prosyletizing" is substantial, which is my point. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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What wattage is flea wattage?
But flea-watters are not revealed religion either. Experimenters, hobbyists and the curious are entitled to do as they please. One hopes that they enjoy both the process and the results. And one hopes that they share their experiences. The difference between "sharing" and "prosyletizing" is substantial, which is my point. I agree. I also think the prosyletizers are a very small minority. As I said, ALL DIY rules. Bob H. |
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What wattage is flea wattage?
Andre Jute wrote: wrote: Music is for sissies and fags and old geezers like me. And for a rollerblader with a few empty bottles and an urge to perform Mozart. Will your mailbox accept a 1.1Mb wmv movie of the event, Al? (Anyone else wants it, let me know within the next 24 hours so I can make just one mailing.) Andre Jute Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the triode of the Borg. -- Robert Casey wrote: Hi RATs! "Flea Wattage" is the other end of the scale which is terminated by "Krell Hell". If you enjoy listening to Music, it doesn't matter where on the scale the system playing is located. It is not a musical property. Music is for sissies and fags and old geezers like me. Real macho web snipers use meters to measure their orgasms. It is all meaningless bull****. Either dig the tunes or suck your meter probes. This ain't some la-la candyland. The engineering geeks couldn't find their soul with both hands and a flashlight. Happy Ears! Al P.S. Sigh Hi RATs! My mailbox is always open to fun stuff. I get more SPAM than the Army in Europe in WW II. Happy Ears! Al |
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