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WAV track splitting question
I'm a bit confused, mostly because I'm not sure I'm asking the right
question. My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Steinberg's Get It On CD did just that up to version 1.1. Later versions removed the ability to insert track marks in the WAV; you have to save each bit that you want as an individual file and reassemble into a CD montage and burn that. Version 1.1 does not burn to my new Plextor CD burner properly, even after upgrading to the latest drivers from Steinberg (gives an "Unknown CD Writing Error", very helpful). Another thread seems to suggest that Nero Burning ROM will do at least some of what we're trying to do here. What's not clear from either the thread of from Nero's website is whether one can do ALL of the above, graphically, within one program. I'm also a bit confused about the various versions of Nero software. Is Nero 6 Reloaded the same as Nero 6 Ultra Edition (on sale at Future Shop this week)? And where does Nero Wave Editor and Nero Burning ROM come in? Can anybody either make suggestions for software that will do what we want, or failing that, at least help me clarify the question? Many thanks. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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it sounds like you've been playing around with budget stuff under $100,
maybe stuff that comes free with a piece of hardware or a sandwich. any *real* DAW program will allow you to do all that stuff. check out Steinberg's WaveLab if you're serious about stuff. |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
I'm a bit confused, mostly because I'm not sure I'm asking the right question. My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Steinberg's Get It On CD did just that up to version 1.1. Later versions removed the ability to insert track marks in the WAV; you have to save each bit that you want as an individual file and reassemble into a CD montage and burn that. Version 1.1 does not burn to my new Plextor CD burner properly, even after upgrading to the latest drivers from Steinberg (gives an "Unknown CD Writing Error", very helpful). Another thread seems to suggest that Nero Burning ROM will do at least some of what we're trying to do here. What's not clear from either the thread of from Nero's website is whether one can do ALL of the above, graphically, within one program. I'm also a bit confused about the various versions of Nero software. Is Nero 6 Reloaded the same as Nero 6 Ultra Edition (on sale at Future Shop this week)? And where does Nero Wave Editor and Nero Burning ROM come in? Can anybody either make suggestions for software that will do what we want, or failing that, at least help me clarify the question? The Soundforge and CD architect package will do what you need. http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/Pro...ct.asp?PID=961 You should be able to pick it up for around $275.00 -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
I'm a bit confused, mostly because I'm not sure I'm asking the right question. My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Audition 1.5 does all of that and more. |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. I don't know of any all-in-one programs but one solution would be a basic 2-track editing program with the ability to insert markers, and a CD burning program with the ability to convert markers into track numbers. The Sound Forge / CD Architect combo that has already been suggested will do all of that, plus a lot of things that you probably don't need right now. (although they might prove handy in the future) The "lite" version of Sound Forge (Sound Forge Audio Studio, http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/Pro...ct.asp?PID=945 ) will perform basic editing tasks, and has the ability to insert markers. Many CD burning programs can convert these markers into track numbers. The version of Nero that came for free with my CD burner (Nero Xpress, or something like that) has this functionality. Travis Garrison |
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Dave O'Heare wrote: My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Sound Forge Steinberg's Get It On CD did just that up to version 1.1. Later versions removed the ability to insert track marks in the WAV; you have to save each bit that you want as an individual file and reassemble into a CD montage and burn that. Version 1.1 does not burn to my new Plextor CD burner properly, even after upgrading to the latest drivers from Steinberg (gives an "Unknown CD Writing Error", very helpful). I have also encountered this with a newer Plex drive with some older versions of various software. Another thread seems to suggest that Nero Burning ROM will do at least some of what we're trying to do here. What's not clear from either the thread of from Nero's website is whether one can do ALL of the above, graphically, within one program. I'm also a bit confused about the various versions of Nero software. Is Nero 6 Reloaded the same as Nero 6 Ultra Edition (on sale at Future Shop this week)? And where does Nero Wave Editor and Nero Burning ROM come in? Nero comes in various versions that are actually packages of the individual programs, for example I believe the Ultra package includes Burning ROM, the Wave Editor, as well as Cover designer and some other stuff. Wave Editor can be opened from within Burning ROM to edit a file but a new window for the editor will open, it's not really all in the same program. Can anybody either make suggestions for software that will do what we want, or failing that, at least help me clarify the question? Sound Forge, CoolEdit 2.1 (or Audition 1.5) and there are others. Many thanks. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca good luck rd |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:27:20 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Audition 1.5 does all of that and more. Arny, I mentioned in a previous post I was unhappy the way Audition handles slitting tracks. The closest I can figure out is you must set a start and end point which is more time consuming than just a "split point" and also introduces the possibility of setting a point incorrectly, thus deleting material or playing the same material twice in the final burn. I believe it was you suggestion to just drop in ordinary cues in Audition and then let Nero put in splits automatically where the Audition cues are. This works fine for me, but It'd still be easier to do it all in Audition. Do you know how to make track section any easier in Audition? Julian |
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wrote in message oups.com... it sounds like you've been playing around with budget stuff under $100, maybe stuff that comes free with a piece of hardware or a sandwich. any *real* DAW program will allow you to do all that stuff. check out Steinberg's WaveLab if you're serious about stuff. The budget stuff was perfect, since it did what we wanted. We don't want or need fancy multi-band compressors, exotic mastering tools, 5.1, 7.1, DVD-audio, effects, video, 32-bit, 192kHz, batch processing, cover layout tools, or any of that. A *real* DAW is stupid for the process, it's like taking a Hummer to the corner store for milk. In fact, if Steinberg hadn't broken the software in the first place (by using their own drivers instead of the generic ones), I wouldn't be looking for a replacement. That by itself makes me much less likely to buy from Steinberg again. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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"RD Jones" wrote in message ups.com... Dave O'Heare wrote: My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Sound Forge Thanks for the suggestion. The manual, as downloaded from Sony's site, says that one can only create CDs in Track-at-Once, which doesn't help a lot. good luck Thanks, seems like I'll need it. Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Audition 1.5 does all of that and more. Thanks, Arny, I'll see if my local music shop has a demo... Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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Julian wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:27:20 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Audition 1.5 does all of that and more. Arny, I mentioned in a previous post I was unhappy the way Audition handles slitting tracks. The closest I can figure out is you must set a start and end point which is more time consuming than just a "split point" and also introduces the possibility of setting a point incorrectly, thus deleting material or playing the same material twice in the final burn. That's not true. Audition supports insertion of track marks, which at burn time result in a track split. I believe it was you suggestion to just drop in ordinary cues in Audition and then let Nero put in splits automatically where the Audition cues are. No, just use the provided burning feature in Audition. This works fine for me, but It'd still be easier to do it all in Audition. Do you know how to make track section any easier in Audition? (1) Insert track marks as required (2) Burn disc |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:13:08 -0400, "Dave O'Heare"
wrote: The budget stuff was perfect, since it did what we wanted. We don't want or need fancy multi-band compressors, exotic mastering tools, 5.1, 7.1, DVD-audio, effects, video, 32-bit, 192kHz, batch processing, cover layout tools, or any of that. A *real* DAW is stupid for the process, it's like taking a Hummer to the corner store for milk. Dave, Check out Audacity. It's free and it's the only thing I've found that comes close to cool edit / audition. It will split tracks. Julian |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
Sound Forge Thanks for the suggestion. The manual, as downloaded from Sony's site, says that one can only create CDs in Track-at-Once, which doesn't help a lot. Sound Forge will only burn track at once. However, Cd Architect, which comes with Sound Forge, will burn Disc At Once. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:25:43 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Do you know how to make track section any easier in Audition? (1) Insert track marks as required (2) Burn disc That's not how it works on my computer. If I insert track marks and then go to burn when I drag them into the burn window pane, I get an error message saying: "You are attempting to insert an individual Cue point. Only Track Cue ranges or entire audio files can be inserted." The only way around this is to merge cues into ranges which is 3 times as much work as dropping splits and it sounds like that's not what you do. Please help me figure out what I am doing wrong. Thanks, Julian |
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Samplitude Master which is the two track (cheaper) version of Samplitude
will do what you require also. Gordon Gidluck Dave O'Heare wrote: "RD Jones" wrote in message ups.com... Dave O'Heare wrote: My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. Sound Forge Thanks for the suggestion. The manual, as downloaded from Sony's site, says that one can only create CDs in Track-at-Once, which doesn't help a lot. good luck Thanks, seems like I'll need it. Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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"Dave O'Heare" wrote ...
I'm a bit confused, mostly because I'm not sure I'm asking the right question. My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. I have been using CoolEdit (and then Cool Edit Pro, and Adobe Audition after Adobe bought out Syntrillium) for exactly those same applications for many years. There are freeware and cheap- ware options such as http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.goldwave.com/ and several others. I use www.cheetahburner.com to write CDRs. |
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"Richard Crowley" writes:
"Dave O'Heare" wrote ... I'm a bit confused, mostly because I'm not sure I'm asking the right question. My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. I have been using CoolEdit (and then Cool Edit Pro, and Adobe Audition after Adobe bought out Syntrillium) for exactly those same applications for many years. There are freeware and cheap- ware options such as http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.goldwave.com/ and several others. I use www.cheetahburner.com to write CDRs. I've got Audition ver 1.0 (older than the current 1.5 version). Can this burn CDs? If so, how do I do it? What I really want to do is write out a CUE file and use another application to write the CDs (using the CUE file to reference a single big WAV file). Will Audition do that? Thanks, Richard |
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Mannr wrote ...
What I really want to do is write out a CUE file and use another application to write the CDs (using the CUE file to reference a single big WAV file). Why? |
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"Gordon Gidluck" wrote in message ... Samplitude Master which is the two track (cheaper) version of Samplitude will do what you require also. Gordon Gidluck Gordon, thanks for the reply. It looks like you are correct, and Samplitude Master will do what we want. It's irksome to see that apparently the only way to continue doing what we have been doing is by throwing several hundred dollars at the problem. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca |
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"Dave O'Heare" wrote:
In fact, if Steinberg hadn't broken the software in the first place (by using their own drivers instead of the generic ones), I wouldn't be looking for a replacement. I used to use GIOCD too. Then one day I made some kind of change to my system that rendered it inoperable. I emailed Steinberg and they told me they no longer supported that version, but the new version should work. So, I bought the upgrade. It worked. Then, one day I was out doing a remote recording. I called up GIOCD to burn a ref for the client, and it refused to start until I reinserted the original software disc. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not in the habit of carrying my software around with me. I sent Steinberg an angry note asking if it would do that again, and how to make it STOP. They said it would not do it every time, but would "periodically" confirm that I was the legitimate owner by locking up until it saw the original CD. It was at that point that I added Steinberg to my "never, ever, again" list of software vendors. All they were doing was inconveniencing legitimate users, since cracked versions would obviously overcome that impediment. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:43:13 -0700, Julian
wrote: On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:25:43 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Do you know how to make track section any easier in Audition? (1) Insert track marks as required (2) Burn disc That's not how it works on my computer. If I insert track marks and then go to burn when I drag them into the burn window pane, I get an error message saying: "You are attempting to insert an individual Cue point. Only Track Cue ranges or entire audio files can be inserted." The only way around this is to merge cues into ranges which is 3 times as much work as dropping splits and it sounds like that's not what you do. Please help me figure out what I am doing wrong. Thanks, Julian While I really like Audition for recording and editing, I gave up with CD burning because it seemed unduly cumbersome. You could use the freeware Cue List Tool to convert Audition cues to track marks or you could use Nero read the cue list. However, I prefer to use a neat program called CD Wave to place track starts and save them to a cue file which can be burned by Nero, Feurio, Plextools XL, EAC or CDRWin (and probably a few others too). Cheers. James. |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:31:14 -0400, Dave O'Heare wrote:
"Gordon Gidluck" wrote in message ... Samplitude Master which is the two track (cheaper) version of Samplitude will do what you require also. Gordon Gidluck Gordon, thanks for the reply. It looks like you are correct, and Samplitude Master will do what we want. It's irksome to see that apparently the only way to continue doing what we have been doing is by throwing several hundred dollars at the problem. Take a look at Feurio - I've not really played with the wave editor much but it will probably work. Feurio costs nothing for private users. If you already have Nero then that will do what you want as well. Cheers. James. |
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On 28 Jun 2005 02:05:38 -0400, wrote:
I've got Audition ver 1.0 (older than the current 1.5 version). Can this burn CDs? If so, how do I do it? What I really want to do is write out a CUE file and use another application to write the CDs (using the CUE file to reference a single big WAV file). Will Audition do that? Use a piece of free software called Cue List Tool to convert the cues embedded in the Audition .wav file into a cue file which can then be burned by a long list of CD burning programs. Nero will also recognise Audition's cues automatically. Cheers. James. |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
My wife does a lot of 2-track editing of choral music, spoken word stuff, etc. What she wants is a program that will allow her to open a long WAV file (up to 2 hours, say), chop out unneeded parts of the wav, normalize, insert track marks, and burn a CD of selected track marks, all in a single program. ... Another thread seems to suggest that Nero Burning ROM will do at least some of what we're trying to do here. What's not clear from either the thread of from Nero's website is whether one can do ALL of the above, graphically, within one program. Within one package, yes. Technically the wave editor is a separate application. It will split tracks using markers, but its interface is not as well designed as some of the better DAWs. I'm also a bit confused about the various versions of Nero software. Is Nero 6 Reloaded the same as Nero 6 Ultra Edition (on sale at Future Shop this week)? And where does Nero Wave Editor and Nero Burning ROM come in? Nero Wave Editor and Nero Burning ROM are two of the applications in the suite. Ultra Edition includes these as well as a cover design app and a bunch of video stuff which I don't use. If you install just package one (there are several large binaries which comprise the bundle) you will get just the audio and burning apps. http://ww2.nero.com/enu/nero-up.php shows what comes with what. |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:46:44 +0100, "James Perrett"
wrote: While I really like Audition for recording and editing, I gave up with CD burning because it seemed unduly cumbersome. You could use the freeware Cue List Tool to convert Audition cues to track marks or you could use Nero read the cue list. Not needed. Nero can already read Audition Cues. They don;don't even have to be track cues. Basic cues work too. As long as you dropped any kinds of cue in Audition, just load the entire album as a single wav file into Nero and click on properties / limits, splits, indexes / then click "Split at Index Positions". Nero will then split at the Audition defined cue points nicely. However, I prefer to use a neat program called CD Wave to place track starts and save them to a cue file which can be burned by Nero, Feurio, Plextools XL, EAC or CDRWin (and probably a few others too). I can already get it to work using a combination of Nero and Audition. So using a third program too is not any time savings to me. I always use Audition to edit, so that's a given. I will start out in Audition. It'd be nice to be able to burn there too, so I don't have to close Audition and open another program to burn. I did it hundreds of times that way in Cool Edit and I really liked it. The only way I can figure out how to get the Audition burning tool to work is to define a start and end point for every track and build a cue list of ranges, not just splits like I used to do with Cool Edit. Building a track list of ranges is 2 or 3 times more involved than just dropping in splits. But it sounds like Arny has figured out a way to drop splits, not ranges. I'd sure like to know how! Julian |
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"James Perrett" wrote in message news Take a look at Feurio - I've not really played with the wave editor much but it will probably work. Feurio costs nothing for private users. Thank you! This looks to be pretty near perfect. Dave O'H |
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