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FA Quad QC24 Valve pre amplifier on ebay
"Dave xxxxx" said:
400 smackers?! And it doesn't even have a phono stage? Good luck. Got one bid already, expect it will go for about £550 phono stage not made yet, but thats going to be about another £800 when its ready, Quad got rid of Andy who made the pre amp before he built the matching phono stage silly buggers But one to go with it by another company would be EAR 834P £715 http://www.walrus.co.uk/phono/phono.htm Seeing prices like this, I can't help feeling sorry for those who aren't able to build a simple tube phono stage by themselves. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Dave xxxxx wrote:
Fleetie wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5721046616 Yes, this popped up on one my saved Ebay searches. 400 smackers?! And it doesn't even have a phono stage? Good luck. Got one bid already, expect it will go for about £550 phono stage not made yet, but thats going to be about another £800 when its ready, Quad got rid of Andy who made the pre amp before he built the matching phono stage silly buggers But one to go with it by another company would be EAR 834P £715 http://www.walrus.co.uk/phono/phono.htm If you want a Andy Grove designed phono stage, why not look at the WAD Phono-II + PSU-II, IMHO in a different league from the EAR. £315 for the two kits. If you need MC, then either use the WAD step-ups for some Lundhall's (thats what I use, about £100 for the pair), or something by another quality winder. -- Nick |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:50:41 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote: Dave xxxxx wrote: Fleetie wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5721046616 Yes, this popped up on one my saved Ebay searches. 400 smackers?! And it doesn't even have a phono stage? Good luck. Got one bid already, expect it will go for about £550 phono stage not made yet, but thats going to be about another £800 when its ready, Quad got rid of Andy who made the pre amp before he built the matching phono stage silly buggers But one to go with it by another company would be EAR 834P £715 http://www.walrus.co.uk/phono/phono.htm If you want a Andy Grove designed phono stage, why not look at the WAD Phono-II + PSU-II, IMHO in a different league from the EAR. £315 for the two kits. If you need MC, then either use the WAD step-ups for some Lundhall's (thats what I use, about £100 for the pair), or something by another quality winder. You beat me to it! Why pay Quad prices when you can have the same (or better) sound quality *and* the security of knowing that you have used the best possible components and have assembled them with infinite care! If you really want to go the valve route, Andy's WAD kits are as good as you'll find below ARC or C-J prices. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" said:
Why the frell anyone would make a valved unit in the 21st century is beyond reason........................ They tend to sound bloody lovely, isn't that good enough? So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? You'll be surprised how many of them are. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:51:17 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" said: Why the frell anyone would make a valved unit in the 21st century is beyond reason........................ They tend to sound bloody lovely, isn't that good enough? So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? You'll be surprised how many of them are. Nah, there's always some sucker who'll pay more for studio time with added 'valve sound'...................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Sander deWaal wrote: So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? You'll be surprised how many of them are. I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. -- *Born free - taxed to death * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in news:4SA4d.660
: Keith G wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Peter Harris wrote: Why the frell anyone would make a valved unit in the 21st century is beyond reason........................ They tend to sound bloody lovely, isn't that good enough? So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? Try 'cheapness', 'expediency', 'easiness', 'laziness' or 'profitability' - the use of 'non-valve' equipment has certainly got bugger all to do with 'sound quality'...... What about the fact that valves add high levels of distortion? Luckily my ears aren't made by Hewlett Packard M |
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In article , Sander deWaal
writes "Dave Plowman (News)" said: Why the frell anyone would make a valved unit in the 21st century is beyond reason........................ They tend to sound bloody lovely, isn't that good enough? So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? You'll be surprised how many of them are. They still use valves in broadcast. In the transmitters where they can't harm the audio Come to that if they used them in DAB it'd take the edge of that awful racket:! -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote: They still use valves in broadcast. In the transmitters where they can't harm the audio And where there is either no alternative or they offer superior performance. Come to that if they used them in DAB it'd take the edge of that awful racket:! Heh heh. Can you visualise an A-D convertor made from valves? Would probably fill a large room... -- *A fool and his money can throw one hell of a party. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , tony sayer wrote: They still use valves in broadcast. In the transmitters where they can't harm the audio And where there is either no alternative or they offer superior performance. Well solid state is catching up fast.. Come to that if they used them in DAB it'd take the edge of that awful racket:! Heh heh. Can you visualise an A-D convertor made from valves? Would probably fill a large room... No just a triode with some soft clipping applied like a couple of back to back diodes Oh, and a "mellow" switch to join up the digitally displaced electrons.. -- Tony Sayer |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" said:
So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? I misread this, you obviously meant "all valve equipment". I did not. You'll be surprised how many of them are. I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. This judging from reports by my fellow Dutch recording engineers. And of course there's solid state involved in all cases. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Sander deWaal wrote: I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. Valve microphones in that common use? Don't believe it. Valve compressor/limiters, yes. Perhaps some EQ. But those are used as a production tool to get a particular sound - and have no application in a home system. -- *(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message ... "Dave Plowman (News)" said: So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? I misread this, you obviously meant "all valve equipment". I did not. You'll be surprised how many of them are. I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. This judging from reports by my fellow Dutch recording engineers. And of course there's solid state involved in all cases. I don't know what all the fuss about valves/ss is about - where did it get written that it must be one *or* the other? (Some **** trying to establish House Rules or summat??) I've got a 50/50 split here (valves and ss) and use them them according to the suitability of the required purpose. (Is that too simple?) (Of course, where either one will do, I greatly prefer valves.... :-) |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:01:04 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" said: So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? I misread this, you obviously meant "all valve equipment". I did not. You'll be surprised how many of them are. I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. This judging from reports by my fellow Dutch recording engineers. And of course there's solid state involved in all cases. Outside the Netherlands, 1% would seem reasonable, if only because tubed mic amps are very expensive, not everyone likes them, and a vast amount of recorded music is made in 'project studios' which are lucky to see a discrete transistor, never mind a tube! -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:18:33 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: I don't know what all the fuss about valves/ss is about - where did it get written that it must be one *or* the other? (Some **** trying to establish House Rules or summat??) I've got a 50/50 split here (valves and ss) and use them them according to the suitability of the required purpose. (Is that too simple?) Aside from when you *want* to alter the input signal, just exactly when are valves *ever* suitable for the purpose? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Could I respectfully ask that you all remove the X-posts when replying
to these posts. And before you tell me that I should do too, I would if I knew where you were all from |
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BrritSki wrote:
Could I respectfully ask that you all remove the X-posts when replying to these posts. And before you tell me that I should do too, I would if I knew where you were all from How do we know which group you're from so that we can un-X-post your group?... -- Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info DAB sounds worse than FM, Freeview, digital satellite, cable and broadband internet radio |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:18:33 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: I don't know what all the fuss about valves/ss is about - where did it get written that it must be one *or* the other? (Some **** trying to establish House Rules or summat??) I've got a 50/50 split here (valves and ss) and use them them according to the suitability of the required purpose. (Is that too simple?) Aside from when you *want* to alter the input signal, just exactly when are valves *ever* suitable for the purpose? Just about whenever I don't need to stack anything on top of the amp.... ;-) |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article , Sander deWaal wrote: More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. Valve microphones in that common use? Don't believe it. There are a whole host of cheap Chinese valve mics sold to the home studio market. Check out manufacturers like Rode or Studio Electronics - even Neumann have re-issued some of their old valve models. Cheers. James. |
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James Perrett wrote: More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. Valve microphones in that common use? Don't believe it. There are a whole host of cheap Chinese valve mics sold to the home studio market. Indeed. However, I was referring to the pro side. Where consistency matters. Check out manufacturers like Rode or Studio Electronics - even Neumann have re-issued some of their old valve models. Yes they have, but they're hardly in common use. -- *'ome is where you 'ang your @ * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this:
**** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! |
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Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this:
**** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! |
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Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this:
**** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! |
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Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this:
**** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:30:08 +0100, BrritSki
wrote: Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this: **** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! Nice piece of cross-posting, BrritSki! d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:01:04 +0200, Sander deWaal wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" said: So why isn't every recording or broadcast made with valve equipment? I misread this, you obviously meant "all valve equipment". I did not. You'll be surprised how many of them are. I'd be amazed if were 0.5% of non broadcast material that involved *some* valve stages, and gob smacked if any managed without solid state at some point. More about 25 % involving a valve somewhere in the chain, mostly microphones and eq/processing gear. This judging from reports by my fellow Dutch recording engineers. And of course there's solid state involved in all cases. Outside the Netherlands, 1% would seem reasonable, if only because tubed mic amps are very expensive, not everyone likes them, and a vast amount of recorded music is made in 'project studios' which are lucky to see a discrete transistor, never mind a tube! OTOH there are a lot of lowish cost tubed mics available for and used in project studios. Ian -- Ian Bell |
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Stewart Pinkerton said:
Aside from when you *want* to alter the input signal, just exactly when are valves *ever* suitable for the purpose? When they sound better than SS amps to that particular user. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Stewart Pinkerton said:
Outside the Netherlands, 1% would seem reasonable, if only because tubed mic amps are very expensive, not everyone likes them, and a vast amount of recorded music is made in 'project studios' which are lucky to see a discrete transistor, never mind a tube! Is *that* the reason why most modern music sounds like crap? -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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François Yves Le Gal wrote: All pro studios I'm familiar with have a very wide assortment of valve mics, vintage or recent, which are put to very good use for a very large number of recordings. Define what they are particularly suited for? Maybe the situation is different in your part of the Outer Hebrides. You can tell where I live by my sig. And yes, many studios do still have valve mics. But in common use? -- *If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" said:
Me too - and I like it to bear the closest possible relationship to what was on the master tape............... Assuming the original recording wasn't screwed up. So you think you can improve the average 'screwed up' master by using a valve pre-amp? Does it cure world poverty as well? It can make certain recordings more listenable. Valve power amps may do the same, depending on room, speakers, auxiliary equipment and recording. In some instances I like my KT88 PP in triode amps better, in some instances I like the hybrid (E288CC driving 2 pairs of SJ50/SK135). Sometimes I even haul an old Denon amp (POA4400) in and have a good time. I always listen to repaired amps as well, so I get plenty of opportunity to listen to almost everything that's on the market and good enough to warrant repair. As I still do some recording and mastering, I *do* know how definitive masters can sound. Maybe it's just me, but most of them are different from the market releases. Usually, afterwards some producer honcho screws up all the niceties me and my fellow recording engineers managed to capture. The decline of quality in recording/mastering ( and music!) surprisingly parallels the development of "better" digital tools and formats. Coincidence? -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" said:
All pro studios I'm familiar with have a very wide assortment of valve mics, vintage or recent, which are put to very good use for a very large number of recordings. Define what they are particularly suited for? Sometimes audio *is* art. Get used to it. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:30:50 +0100, BrritSki
wrote: Right, I asked politely - maybe you'll hear this: **** OFF YOU CROSS-POSTING TW@ ! That might have some meaning if you mentioned from where *you* are cross-posting, you lamebrained ****.................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:13:52 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote: The decline of quality in recording/mastering ( and music!) surprisingly parallels the development of "better" digital tools and formats. Coincidence? Bull****. Some of the worst mastering *ever* perpetrated, took place in the early to mid '70s, long before CD was launched, and before there were any digital mixing desks. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Sander deWaal wrote: As I still do some recording and mastering, I *do* know how definitive masters can sound. Maybe it's just me, but most of them are different from the market releases. Usually, afterwards some producer honcho screws up all the niceties me and my fellow recording engineers managed to capture. The decline of quality in recording/mastering ( and music!) surprisingly parallels the development of "better" digital tools and formats. Coincidence? Studio 'masters' have near always been re-mastered for the final product - very much so in vinyl days. It was often essential to alter them, as what would record fine on tape wouldn't necessarily transfer to disc. With CD, there is no technical need. -- *Caution: I drive like you do. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
Sander deWaal wrote: All pro studios I'm familiar with have a very wide assortment of valve mics, vintage or recent, which are put to very good use for a very large number of recordings. Define what they are particularly suited for? Sometimes audio *is* art. Get used to it. So I'll take it you don't know? -- *Rehab is for quitters. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:05:13 +0100, Ian Bell
wrote: Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:01:04 +0200, Sander deWaal wrote: Outside the Netherlands, 1% would seem reasonable, if only because tubed mic amps are very expensive, not everyone likes them, and a vast amount of recorded music is made in 'project studios' which are lucky to see a discrete transistor, never mind a tube! OTOH there are a lot of lowish cost tubed mics available for and used in project studios. There's always crap trying to cash in on a fad............... They do *not* sound like a valved Neumann, or an STC 3048.... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:32:32 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote: Stewart Pinkerton said: Outside the Netherlands, 1% would seem reasonable, if only because tubed mic amps are very expensive, not everyone likes them, and a vast amount of recorded music is made in 'project studios' which are lucky to see a discrete transistor, never mind a tube! Is *that* the reason why most modern music sounds like crap? Nope, that's because it's now very easy to achieve studio-quality results on a tight budget, and some people assume that this is a substitute for talent and experience.................. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:16:02 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" said: All pro studios I'm familiar with have a very wide assortment of valve mics, vintage or recent, which are put to very good use for a very large number of recordings. Define what they are particularly suited for? Sometimes audio *is* art. Get used to it. Recording isn't 'audio', it's still part of the performance. Exactly why else do you think studios keep a *selection* of microphones? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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