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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
========================================= I am planning to buy a 78 rpm turntable While many used (mostly DUAL brand) and few new models (Stanton ) are available here in USA, and have the three speeds (33, 45 and 78), all of them are equipped with Cartridges and Stylus/stylii which are for playing the Vinyls (LP / EP). Trying to select the right cartridge and the corresponding stylus narrows the field to just 2 models of cartridges and 1 model of stylus / each. Stanton 500 -AL with D5127 stylus and Pickering NP/AC with generic 3 mil stylus from KABUSA.com These cartridges are listed as Standard Mount (but probably a half inch height) and fit on many turntables. The stylus tip is 2.7 mil to 3.0 mil (for refr. only: the biggest size for vinyls is: 0.7 mil, i.e. 1/4th of that used on shellac) The last mentioned baby - the stylus, costs more than what one has to spend on mom, i.e. the cartridge ($40 to 50 vs. 25 or less). Since 78 rpm, which I may buy, or borrow, would have been in storgae for many decades, they will have lot of dust particles and in few cases cracks. So the stylus has to be be replaced after may be 600 to 1000 plays. Alternatively, there are Ceramic type of cartridges, which were made by: BSR and Tetrad. Their stylus have tips on both sides (one side for LP , other side for 78 rpm / Saphhire) They are also called: Flip-Over type). A large number of Low-end Turntable BSR from U.K. and hundreds of brands sold in USA, were fitted with these type of cartridges. These cartridges are of low fidelity and have very low signal out-put, but they are cheap ($10 for cartridge and $5 for stylus). Radio Shack special catalog lists many, but which are for 78 rpm, is not mentioned in product info. MY QUERY (all related to 78 rpm records) ================================ 1 Recommendations from other users, as to which will be a better buy for me, Stanton type or Flip-Over type ? 2 Are there any other brands of Stylus and corresponding Cartridge which I can use ? If so, please give model #s merchant's name 3 Very Important: The Ceramic BSR or Tetrad cartridges have only a small screw to attach them to the tonearm. Can I just screw them to a regular (Standard or 1/2 inch capable tonearm) or do I need special Head Shell ? 4 Do I need Re-Equilizer to reverse the RIAA curve I read it 78rpm.com, that it is good to have one and they want to sell to the visitors a a unit, priced at $290 My amplifier has the input jack for turntable, which am currently using for a Technics unit (play Vinyls), so assume that even for Cermaic Cartridges (low out-put), I won't need a Pre-Amplifier. 5 Any other recommendations ? Thanks Sudhir e-mail replies: maildrop888 (please add: @yahoo.com) |
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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
(Sudhir) wrote in
om: 78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question ========================================= I am planning to buy a 78 rpm turntable While many used (mostly DUAL brand) and few new models (Stanton ) are available here in USA, and have the three speeds (33, 45 and 78), all of them are equipped with Cartridges and Stylus/stylii which are for playing the Vinyls (LP / EP). Trying to select the right cartridge and the corresponding stylus narrows the field to just 2 models of cartridges and 1 model of stylus / each. Stanton 500 -AL with D5127 stylus and Pickering NP/AC with generic 3 mil stylus from KABUSA.com These cartridges are listed as Standard Mount (but probably a half inch height) and fit on many turntables. The stylus tip is 2.7 mil to 3.0 mil (for refr. only: the biggest size for vinyls is: 0.7 mil, i.e. 1/4th of that used on shellac) The last mentioned baby - the stylus, costs more than what one has to spend on mom, i.e. the cartridge ($40 to 50 vs. 25 or less). Since 78 rpm, which I may buy, or borrow, would have been in storgae for many decades, they will have lot of dust particles and in few cases cracks. So the stylus has to be be replaced after may be 600 to 1000 plays. (snip) Thanks Sudhir e-mail replies: maildrop888 (please add: @yahoo.com) Only thing I can really add is that 78rpm records have usually seen some heavy wear. I had a small collection once (including one dating back to the days when they could only "print" on one side). No 78rpm in the collection had escaped damage of one sort or another. Early Styli were thorn or steel - the former didn't damage the information held in the grooves much, but wore out very quickly. Steel lasted for ages, but gradually cut away at the recording. Autochangers were quite common - dropping the next disk from a stack above the turntable - resulting in many small scratches. Some cheaper record players had a valve amp in the proximity of the turntable, so 78rpm records can tend to be warped, too. Add to all that the years of neglect, and the prospect of your 78rpm record being in mint condition is highly unlikely. If they are mint, and worth anything, keeping them that way probably involves not playing them (I suppose you could record them onto MD, so they don't need to be played again - this might allow you to edit out serious scratches, too - if you have the patience). In short - I would suspect that buying an expensive cartridge and stylus would not be money well spent. -- Regards, Dave http://welcome.to/daves.website http://travel.to/formula.one |
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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
(Sudhir) wrote in
om: 78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question ========================================= I am planning to buy a 78 rpm turntable While many used (mostly DUAL brand) and few new models (Stanton ) are available here in USA, and have the three speeds (33, 45 and 78), all of them are equipped with Cartridges and Stylus/stylii which are for playing the Vinyls (LP / EP). Trying to select the right cartridge and the corresponding stylus narrows the field to just 2 models of cartridges and 1 model of stylus / each. Stanton 500 -AL with D5127 stylus and Pickering NP/AC with generic 3 mil stylus from KABUSA.com These cartridges are listed as Standard Mount (but probably a half inch height) and fit on many turntables. The stylus tip is 2.7 mil to 3.0 mil (for refr. only: the biggest size for vinyls is: 0.7 mil, i.e. 1/4th of that used on shellac) The last mentioned baby - the stylus, costs more than what one has to spend on mom, i.e. the cartridge ($40 to 50 vs. 25 or less). Since 78 rpm, which I may buy, or borrow, would have been in storgae for many decades, they will have lot of dust particles and in few cases cracks. So the stylus has to be be replaced after may be 600 to 1000 plays. (snip) Thanks Sudhir e-mail replies: maildrop888 (please add: @yahoo.com) Only thing I can really add is that 78rpm records have usually seen some heavy wear. I had a small collection once (including one dating back to the days when they could only "print" on one side). No 78rpm in the collection had escaped damage of one sort or another. Early Styli were thorn or steel - the former didn't damage the information held in the grooves much, but wore out very quickly. Steel lasted for ages, but gradually cut away at the recording. Autochangers were quite common - dropping the next disk from a stack above the turntable - resulting in many small scratches. Some cheaper record players had a valve amp in the proximity of the turntable, so 78rpm records can tend to be warped, too. Add to all that the years of neglect, and the prospect of your 78rpm record being in mint condition is highly unlikely. If they are mint, and worth anything, keeping them that way probably involves not playing them (I suppose you could record them onto MD, so they don't need to be played again - this might allow you to edit out serious scratches, too - if you have the patience). In short - I would suspect that buying an expensive cartridge and stylus would not be money well spent. -- Regards, Dave http://welcome.to/daves.website http://travel.to/formula.one |
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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
2 Are there any other brands of Stylus and corresponding Cartridge which I can use ? If so, please give model #s merchant's name Look at the Shure and Grado websites for models and dealer recommendations. Ortofon has moving coil as well as moving magnet cartridges for 78 rpm records, the moving magnet cartridge appears to be highly cost-efficient. Try not to be too cheap if you are going to spend a lot of your time and interest on this effort. IMO seriousness starts with the Ortofon OM78 moving magnet, I'm gonna get me one eventually and then remove the high frequency compensation from a NAD pp1 preamp purchased with just that mod in mind. Switchable EQ does not seem all that relevant in this day and age of digital options, but getting it "less wrong" does make sense. I think the point has been made occasionally that a stereo recording of a mono record, i. e. using a cartridge wired for stereo, can be helpful in case one groove wall is less deteriorated than the other. Kal Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ************************************************** *********** * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ************************************************** *********** |
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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
2 Are there any other brands of Stylus and corresponding Cartridge which I can use ? If so, please give model #s merchant's name Look at the Shure and Grado websites for models and dealer recommendations. Ortofon has moving coil as well as moving magnet cartridges for 78 rpm records, the moving magnet cartridge appears to be highly cost-efficient. Try not to be too cheap if you are going to spend a lot of your time and interest on this effort. IMO seriousness starts with the Ortofon OM78 moving magnet, I'm gonna get me one eventually and then remove the high frequency compensation from a NAD pp1 preamp purchased with just that mod in mind. Switchable EQ does not seem all that relevant in this day and age of digital options, but getting it "less wrong" does make sense. I think the point has been made occasionally that a stereo recording of a mono record, i. e. using a cartridge wired for stereo, can be helpful in case one groove wall is less deteriorated than the other. Kal Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ************************************************** *********** * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ************************************************** *********** |
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78 rpm Turntable, Cartridges and stylus / Few Question
Kalman Rubinson wrote:
2 Are there any other brands of Stylus and corresponding Cartridge which I can use ? If so, please give model #s merchant's name Look at the Shure and Grado websites for models and dealer recommendations. Ortofon has moving coil as well as moving magnet cartridges for 78 rpm records, the moving magnet cartridge appears to be highly cost-efficient. Try not to be too cheap if you are going to spend a lot of your time and interest on this effort. IMO seriousness starts with the Ortofon OM78 moving magnet, I'm gonna get me one eventually and then remove the high frequency compensation from a NAD pp1 preamp purchased with just that mod in mind. Switchable EQ does not seem all that relevant in this day and age of digital options, but getting it "less wrong" does make sense. I think the point has been made occasionally that a stereo recording of a mono record, i. e. using a cartridge wired for stereo, can be helpful in case one groove wall is less deteriorated than the other. Kal Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ************************************************** *********** * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ************************************************** *********** |
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