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Digital Recording Advice Needed
I am currently in the process of buying a digital rocroding system for our
church. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 01V96 for mixing, it will have to double as the live sound board as well. I will be recording from 8 mics. I am considering getting a RME DIGI9636 Hammerhall Light soundcard, which has only digtal inputs. This is fine for recording live from the 01V which has optical out, but I also wish to convert some old reel-to-reel and cassette recordings to CD. Can I easily route these through the 01V into the sound card when I am not using the mics, or is it an elaborate process? For playback from the computer, can I just plug my headphones into the 01V? This will be my first digital desk, an upgrade from a Mackie 1404, so I am really not sure how it all works. If there is a different sound card that would be better, or you have any other advise, please let me know - I really don't want to learn the hard way! regards Ron Wiebe |
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In article "Ron Wiebe" ron at thebibliophile dot com writes: I am currently in the process of buying a digital rocroding system for our church. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 01V96 for mixing, it will have to double as the live sound board as well. OK, which is it, a recording board or a live sound board? "Double as" is a little ambiguous. Given that it's a church, my suspicion is that it will be a live sound board which much of the time will be used for simultaneous recording. Or is this for a non-traditional application in the church? The reason I ask is that if it's primarily a live board I'd strongly recommend going with an analog mixer. A digital board has one real advantage in a place like a church where there are several different functions in the same venue, and that's the ability to store and call up presets. But for someone unfamiliar with the console, it can be very difficult. You really should give this a lot of thought rather than getting something digital because it's not that evil, noisy analog. am considering getting a RME DIGI9636 Hammerhall Light soundcard, which has only digtal inputs. Any outputs? This is fine for recording live from the 01V which has optical out, but I also wish to convert some old reel-to-reel and cassette recordings to CD. Can I easily route these through the 01V into the sound card when I am not using the mics, or is it an elaborate process? The routing is very flexible on the console and this is certainly possible, but you have to know how to do it. I would consider it an elaborate process the first time, but once you know how, it shouldn't be that hard. You could save it as a preset. For playback from the computer, can I just plug my headphones into the 01V? Assuming you have a signal going into the mixer from the computer, yes. This will be my first digital desk, an upgrade from a Mackie 1404, so I am really not sure how it all works. It's ****in' scary. I don't know if the 01V96 is any more intuitive than the original 01V, but I have had way too much head scratching the times when I've had to do something on an 01V. If you're not dead set against analog and have a Firewire interface on the computer you'll be using for recording, you might consider one of the new Mackie Onyx mixers. I think the optional Firewire card is finally shipping, and it sends direct outputs (from the preamps) to the computer, as well as takes a stereo monitor return from the computer and sends it to a "2 track monitor" input on the console. It's pretty well thought out, the company and the layout are familiar to you, and they tell me it sounds better than the VLZ Pro. The real benefit is that anyone who has a clue as to how the mixer works can get sound out of it in a pinch. I can't say that about the 01V. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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In article "Ron Wiebe" ron at thebibliophile dot com writes: I am currently in the process of buying a digital rocroding system for our church. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 01V96 for mixing, it will have to double as the live sound board as well. OK, which is it, a recording board or a live sound board? "Double as" is a little ambiguous. Given that it's a church, my suspicion is that it will be a live sound board which much of the time will be used for simultaneous recording. Or is this for a non-traditional application in the church? The reason I ask is that if it's primarily a live board I'd strongly recommend going with an analog mixer. A digital board has one real advantage in a place like a church where there are several different functions in the same venue, and that's the ability to store and call up presets. But for someone unfamiliar with the console, it can be very difficult. You really should give this a lot of thought rather than getting something digital because it's not that evil, noisy analog. am considering getting a RME DIGI9636 Hammerhall Light soundcard, which has only digtal inputs. Any outputs? This is fine for recording live from the 01V which has optical out, but I also wish to convert some old reel-to-reel and cassette recordings to CD. Can I easily route these through the 01V into the sound card when I am not using the mics, or is it an elaborate process? The routing is very flexible on the console and this is certainly possible, but you have to know how to do it. I would consider it an elaborate process the first time, but once you know how, it shouldn't be that hard. You could save it as a preset. For playback from the computer, can I just plug my headphones into the 01V? Assuming you have a signal going into the mixer from the computer, yes. This will be my first digital desk, an upgrade from a Mackie 1404, so I am really not sure how it all works. It's ****in' scary. I don't know if the 01V96 is any more intuitive than the original 01V, but I have had way too much head scratching the times when I've had to do something on an 01V. If you're not dead set against analog and have a Firewire interface on the computer you'll be using for recording, you might consider one of the new Mackie Onyx mixers. I think the optional Firewire card is finally shipping, and it sends direct outputs (from the preamps) to the computer, as well as takes a stereo monitor return from the computer and sends it to a "2 track monitor" input on the console. It's pretty well thought out, the company and the layout are familiar to you, and they tell me it sounds better than the VLZ Pro. The real benefit is that anyone who has a clue as to how the mixer works can get sound out of it in a pinch. I can't say that about the 01V. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100807384k@trad In article "Ron Wiebe" ron at thebibliophile dot com writes: note, Ron Posted a similar article on alt.audio.pro.live-sound a few days earlier I am currently in the process of buying a digital rocroding system for our church. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 01V96 for mixing, it will have to double as the live sound board as well. OK, which is it, a recording board or a live sound board? I share your concerns, Mike. I now do the same thing for my church. Live mixing takes so much of my attention that even punching in the cassette machine for the sermon isn't as reliable as I'd like it to be. If I'm serious about getting a quality recording, I remix the individual tracks from a digital recording where one mic equals one track. In essence I redo the whole job from scratch. The good news is that with a fast computer and a fair amount of practice, this can be accomplished in something like real time, but its a different real time than the actual service. As always, the amount of time that can be spent polishing a mix can be indefinate. IME live sound mixing is a way different game than mixing for recording. Similar tools, but a different game. Yes, you can kinda throw together a static mix for a recording of a live event that's often not too grim. But for best results... "Double as" is a little ambiguous. Given that it's a church, my suspicion is that it will be a live sound board which much of the time will be used for simultaneous recording. Or is this for a non-traditional application in the church? Other details Ron posted suggested yes, this is going to be traditional church work. Also it sounds like a very traditional form of worship which favors simplicity. The reason I ask is that if it's primarily a live board I'd strongly recommend going with an analog mixer. A digital board has one real advantage in a place like a church where there are several different functions in the same venue, and that's the ability to store and call up presets. That's why I lust after a 02R96 for my church. We have what amount to be 5 or 6 rotating applications. At least one other person makes semi-regular use of the board for one or two of those applications. But for someone unfamiliar with the console, it can be very difficult. My experience with an 02r96 in another venue is that for basic functions, it can be treated like a mid-sized analog board. However getting to the advanced functions, and fully exploiting a completely configured-out board requires tangling with the digital aspects of the board. You really should give this a lot of thought rather than getting something digital because it's not that evil, noisy analog. In live sound applications, analog really doesn't seem to be that bad. am considering getting a RME DIGI9636 Hammerhall Light soundcard, which has only digital inputs. Any outputs? This is fine for recording live from the 01V which has optical out, but I also wish to convert some old reel-to-reel and cassette recordings to CD. Can I easily route these through the 01V into the sound card when I am not using the mics, or is it an elaborate process? The routing is very flexible on the console and this is certainly possible, but you have to know how to do it. I would consider it an elaborate process the first time, but once you know how, it shouldn't be that hard. You could save it as a preset. Agreed. Recording through a mixing board is needless to say, a very viable approach. Arguably, recording-through is one of the three major reasons mixing boards exist! ;-) For playback from the computer, can I just plug my headphones into the 01V? Assuming you have a signal going into the mixer from the computer, yes. This will be my first digital desk, an upgrade from a Mackie 1404, so I am really not sure how it all works. It's ****in' scary. I don't know if the 01V96 is any more intuitive than the original 01V, but I have had way too much head scratching the times when I've had to do something on an 01V. In the alt.audio.pro.live-sound discussion, I expressed some concerns about the 01V96 on the grounds that its complement of analog inputs and outputs seems to be pretty stripped-back. If you're not dead set against analog and have a Firewire interface on the computer you'll be using for recording, you might consider one of the new Mackie Onyx mixers. The Mackies fell off my short list because they don't seem to have a lot of aux outs. 4, right? I'm currently using 6 of the 8 on my SR32, and can see a nearly-immediate need for the other two. I think the optional Firewire card is finally shipping, and it sends direct outputs (from the preamps) to the computer, as well as takes a stereo monitor return from the computer and sends it to a "2 track monitor" input on the console. Admittedly there's a whole lot more PCs with Firewire ports than ADAT ports. But computer audio interfaces for the ADAT ports on the Yammie digital mixers do exist and don't cost an arm and a leg. It's pretty well thought out, the company and the layout are familiar to you, and they tell me it sounds better than the VLZ Pro. The real benefit is that anyone who has a clue as to how the mixer works can get sound out of it in a pinch. I can't say that about the 01V. I've never had my hands on an 01V, but it seems more like the shell in which you build the mixer of your dreams, not the mixer of your dreams. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100807384k@trad In article "Ron Wiebe" ron at thebibliophile dot com writes: note, Ron Posted a similar article on alt.audio.pro.live-sound a few days earlier I am currently in the process of buying a digital rocroding system for our church. I am planning on getting a Yamaha 01V96 for mixing, it will have to double as the live sound board as well. OK, which is it, a recording board or a live sound board? I share your concerns, Mike. I now do the same thing for my church. Live mixing takes so much of my attention that even punching in the cassette machine for the sermon isn't as reliable as I'd like it to be. If I'm serious about getting a quality recording, I remix the individual tracks from a digital recording where one mic equals one track. In essence I redo the whole job from scratch. The good news is that with a fast computer and a fair amount of practice, this can be accomplished in something like real time, but its a different real time than the actual service. As always, the amount of time that can be spent polishing a mix can be indefinate. IME live sound mixing is a way different game than mixing for recording. Similar tools, but a different game. Yes, you can kinda throw together a static mix for a recording of a live event that's often not too grim. But for best results... "Double as" is a little ambiguous. Given that it's a church, my suspicion is that it will be a live sound board which much of the time will be used for simultaneous recording. Or is this for a non-traditional application in the church? Other details Ron posted suggested yes, this is going to be traditional church work. Also it sounds like a very traditional form of worship which favors simplicity. The reason I ask is that if it's primarily a live board I'd strongly recommend going with an analog mixer. A digital board has one real advantage in a place like a church where there are several different functions in the same venue, and that's the ability to store and call up presets. That's why I lust after a 02R96 for my church. We have what amount to be 5 or 6 rotating applications. At least one other person makes semi-regular use of the board for one or two of those applications. But for someone unfamiliar with the console, it can be very difficult. My experience with an 02r96 in another venue is that for basic functions, it can be treated like a mid-sized analog board. However getting to the advanced functions, and fully exploiting a completely configured-out board requires tangling with the digital aspects of the board. You really should give this a lot of thought rather than getting something digital because it's not that evil, noisy analog. In live sound applications, analog really doesn't seem to be that bad. am considering getting a RME DIGI9636 Hammerhall Light soundcard, which has only digital inputs. Any outputs? This is fine for recording live from the 01V which has optical out, but I also wish to convert some old reel-to-reel and cassette recordings to CD. Can I easily route these through the 01V into the sound card when I am not using the mics, or is it an elaborate process? The routing is very flexible on the console and this is certainly possible, but you have to know how to do it. I would consider it an elaborate process the first time, but once you know how, it shouldn't be that hard. You could save it as a preset. Agreed. Recording through a mixing board is needless to say, a very viable approach. Arguably, recording-through is one of the three major reasons mixing boards exist! ;-) For playback from the computer, can I just plug my headphones into the 01V? Assuming you have a signal going into the mixer from the computer, yes. This will be my first digital desk, an upgrade from a Mackie 1404, so I am really not sure how it all works. It's ****in' scary. I don't know if the 01V96 is any more intuitive than the original 01V, but I have had way too much head scratching the times when I've had to do something on an 01V. In the alt.audio.pro.live-sound discussion, I expressed some concerns about the 01V96 on the grounds that its complement of analog inputs and outputs seems to be pretty stripped-back. If you're not dead set against analog and have a Firewire interface on the computer you'll be using for recording, you might consider one of the new Mackie Onyx mixers. The Mackies fell off my short list because they don't seem to have a lot of aux outs. 4, right? I'm currently using 6 of the 8 on my SR32, and can see a nearly-immediate need for the other two. I think the optional Firewire card is finally shipping, and it sends direct outputs (from the preamps) to the computer, as well as takes a stereo monitor return from the computer and sends it to a "2 track monitor" input on the console. Admittedly there's a whole lot more PCs with Firewire ports than ADAT ports. But computer audio interfaces for the ADAT ports on the Yammie digital mixers do exist and don't cost an arm and a leg. It's pretty well thought out, the company and the layout are familiar to you, and they tell me it sounds better than the VLZ Pro. The real benefit is that anyone who has a clue as to how the mixer works can get sound out of it in a pinch. I can't say that about the 01V. I've never had my hands on an 01V, but it seems more like the shell in which you build the mixer of your dreams, not the mixer of your dreams. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
Agreed. Recording through a mixing board is needless to say, a very viable approach. Arguably, recording-through is one of the three major reasons mixing boards exist! ;-) I should add that while I have a couple of boards available for mixing recordings, mixing recordings on a board is something I only do under duress. Primary reason is the fact that when I mix on the PC I have in essence an automated board. I can't afford to have an REAL automated board at my disposal. Secondary reason is that mixing on a REAL board has to be done in real time, while mixing on a DAW can range from lots faster than real time for actual track mixing, to near-instantaneous. If you mix a worship service on a DAW, you can do a lot of it by sight. This saves tons of time. Until the first time I audition a test recording, I may have never listened to the entire service during mixdown. Maybe just 10-20% of it. That's how you get the whole job done in the equivalent of real time. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
Agreed. Recording through a mixing board is needless to say, a very viable approach. Arguably, recording-through is one of the three major reasons mixing boards exist! ;-) I should add that while I have a couple of boards available for mixing recordings, mixing recordings on a board is something I only do under duress. Primary reason is the fact that when I mix on the PC I have in essence an automated board. I can't afford to have an REAL automated board at my disposal. Secondary reason is that mixing on a REAL board has to be done in real time, while mixing on a DAW can range from lots faster than real time for actual track mixing, to near-instantaneous. If you mix a worship service on a DAW, you can do a lot of it by sight. This saves tons of time. Until the first time I audition a test recording, I may have never listened to the entire service during mixdown. Maybe just 10-20% of it. That's how you get the whole job done in the equivalent of real time. |
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