Blind Joni wrote:

Who would Jesus wanna kill?
Who would He murder for oil?
You dare to call yourself a Christian?
You're in it just for the spoil.


Wait a minute..what spoil am I missing out on?


It's in the trailer park.

play-on wrote:

Now you think it's the terrorists who are causing the economy to go
into the toilet? Got any better jokes?

Steven Eagle


I'm glad to see you signing your name.

play-on wrote:

(WillStG) wrote:

You think letting terrorists destroy the American economy is the more moral
path?

Now you think it's the terrorists who are causing the economy to go
into the toilet?

WalMart is a terrorist organization?

Got any better jokes?

Economy's bad because the terrists are drinkin' a lot of the koolaid and
we don't have enough.

--
ha

play-on playonATcomcast.net
ospam (WillStG) wrote:

You think letting terrorists destroy the American economy is the more moral
path?

Now you think it's the terrorists who are causing the economy to go
into the toilet? Got any better jokes?

Steven Eagle

Look Al, when you sign *other people's names* to your post and not your own
you are mostly disrespecting yourself. And maybe you are a serial self abuser,
but I only asked you to sign your name as a help to this group - and yourself -
I beleive it will lower the amount of off topic poltical posts you write.
Which many many people here have asked of you.

And look, I could easily do what you Al, and Don, and other guys continue
to do. I could create any number of new political threads, posting links to
endless stories about things like the UN Oil For Food Program scandal, Kerry's
gratuitous use of Chaney's daughter being a lesbian in the debates, I could
bury this newsgroup in off topic postings in that manner. But I have choosen
not to, and if you guys would knock it off I would feel no need to balance your
views with the alternative positions either.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

play-on playonATcomcast.net
And you have no capacity to acknowledge that Bush made some grain
mistakes. All you can do is go into your lame-o attack mode.

There are mistakes in every war and Intelligence is not a perfect
science. But as Christopher Hitchens points out, the President has a good
record on non-proliferation. For while we overestimated what WMD Saddam had
(which he foolishly *wanted* us to), we *underestimated* what Ghadafi had, and
what Ghandafi has given up is a very advanced Nuclear Weapon Program. Taking
that down and the Pakistani AQ Khan network network which was spreading Nuclear
tech is a signifigant success, and a result of the American policy of doing a
full court press in the War on Terror.

I'm sure you could not disagree more.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:

Chaney's daughter

Film at eleben.

--
ha

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
"Glenn Dowdy"


You didn't answer my question. Do you believe that every member of that
panel had access to every single bit of information that the POTUS had? On
every subject?


Glenn, the UN, The French, Tony Blair, all of the European nations
beleived
the exact same thing because Saddam was telling his inner council that he
had
WMD stockpiles ready to go.

That wasn't the question. Do you believe that the Senate Intelligence
Committee, or anyone for that matter, has access to the same level of intel
that the POTUS gets on his desk? Yes or no.

Glenn D.

"Glenn Dowdy"
That wasn't the question. Do you believe that the Senate Intelligence
Committee, or anyone for that matter, has access to the same level of intel
that the POTUS gets on his desk? Yes or no.

The same level and same essential content, yes.



Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

hank alrich wrote:

You ought
to spend some time on the street in Bahgdad and get back to us with your
firsthand reports.


There's a good use of "four more years".

Don Cooper wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

You ought to spend some time on the street in Bahgdad and get back to us
with your firsthand reports.

There's a good use of "four more years".

Saw a bumprsticker saying "Four More Wars".

--
ha

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:06:56 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

Don Cooper wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

You ought to spend some time on the street in Bahgdad and get back to us
with your firsthand reports.

There's a good use of "four more years".

Saw a bumprsticker saying "Four More Wars".

Lots of great bumperstickers he

http://whitehouse.org

Al

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
"Glenn Dowdy"
That wasn't the question. Do you believe that the Senate Intelligence
Committee, or anyone for that matter, has access to the same level of
intel
that the POTUS gets on his desk? Yes or no.

The same level and same essential content, yes.

While I appreciate the response, Will, I'd have to disagree. I don't believe
there's any way that the Senate members get the same level of intel.
Something about the efficacy of a secret being directly related to the
number of people who know it.

Glenn D.

"Glenn Dowdy"

While I appreciate the response, Will, I'd have to disagree. I don't believe
there's any way that the Senate members get the same level of intel.
Something about the efficacy of a secret being directly related to the
number of people who know it.


Glenn, you can share the same level and content you have without
compromising sources and methods, and sometimes Presidents share specifics with
Intel Committee members even if it does. Particularly before armed conflict is
enjoined, American Presidents have always put all the cards on the table with
at least a few members of the Senate and Congress. In this case, they did so
with the Intel commitee members.

If Kerry wishes to claim he was misled, he is not accepting personal
responsibility for his own words at the time, IMO largely because he is
pandering to the anti-war base of the Democratic Party. Which is where he
belongs of course, but before Dean's success in the primaries Kerry was
pandering in the other direction, to the broader group of Americans who
supported the concept of a broadly defined War on Terror as Bush beleives in.

In any event I still do not believe the polls one bit, and think that Bush
will win 36 States. But we shall see.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"WillStG" wrote in message
...

In any event I still do not believe the polls one bit, and think that
Bush
will win 36 States. But we shall see.

And then boths sides can quit trash-talking and transition into
gloating/whinging.

Glenn D.

On 18 Oct 2004 19:36:44 GMT, ospam (WillStG) wrote:

If Kerry wishes to claim he was misled, he is not accepting personal
responsibility

Umm, didn't Bush claim he was mislead by the CIA?

Big Howdy

play-on wrote:

And them Vietnam Vets Against The War had a bunch of bull**** supposed
testimony from bull**** fake veterans they used as a bull**** means to promote
their bull**** anti War position


And that McCain had a black baby. He's a bit crazy, you know.

I realize that wasn't yours, Al, Richard, etc. : )

Nmm wrote:

Maybe you could do a compilation of the form letters that they send
out to say "your son is dead"


With pics of Dubya at the funerals.

"Glenn Dowdy"
And then boths sides can quit trash-talking and transition into
gloating/whinging.


Well that's why Baseball is important. Sportmanship, and learning to win or
lose with grace is one of those things you learn as a kid (hopefully) and is
worth remembering.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

In article ,
Don Cooper wrote:

Nmm wrote:

Maybe you could do a compilation of the form letters that they send
out to say "your son is dead"


With pics of Dubya at the funerals.

ROTFLMFAO
Good one
GW actually acknowledging the kids he personally sent to thier graves
not in this f*cking life time
George

Good comment. I've seen some recent ads. The tone of this election
campaign is absolutely appalling. Many ads consist entirely of negative
comments about the opponent.

Without a doubt, both sides will admit that negative campaigning is bad,
and both sides will claim they only do it because their opponents do it.

I wonder what would happen if a candidate started out his campaign
pledging that he will not use negative ads no matter what his opponent
does. We all applaud... but if polls show he is losing, his advisers,
his party, his campaign staff will urge him to go negative, because it
works.

It can only work if voters don't "punish" people like that at the polls.
It would be helpful if the media would be less complicit as well.



Blind Joni wrote:

It doesn't help to demonize one side or the other...and that is basically what
I see lately.

Bill Van Dyk wrote:

I wonder what would happen if a candidate started out his campaign
pledging that he will not use negative ads no matter what his opponent
does. We all applaud... but if polls show he is losing, his advisers,
his party, his campaign staff will urge him to go negative, because it
works.


The problem is, we didn't all applaud. Some believed the negative ads.

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
"Glenn Dowdy"
And then boths sides can quit trash-talking and transition into
gloating/whinging.


Well that's why Baseball is important. Sportmanship, and learning to
win or
lose with grace is one of those things you learn as a kid (hopefully) and
is
worth remembering.

Hmmm. It doesn't seem to be part of professional sports.

Glenn D.

Just in case some of you have not seen this yet.

facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million
Bush=143 million

Square miles of land won by:

Gore=580,000
Bush=22,427,000

States won by:

Gore=19
Bush=29

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:

Gore=13.2
Bush=2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great
country. Gore's territory encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."

Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "apathy" and
"complacency" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with
some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the
"governmental dependency" phase.

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million
Bush=143 million BRBR

I don't know what that means, since Gore won the popular vote.

-R

tom wrote:

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great
country. Gore's territory encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."

This is some of the lamest crap I have seen yet.

Tell you what, sport, don't stop there. Lets figure out who got the
highest percentage of educated areas, highest density of PHD's. How
about the largest base for stock markets, corporate headquarters, and
economy stength in general.

Go ahead and break it down by county. The lopsidedness against your
silly argument would be ridiculous. Oh, and the arts, museums, theater,
concerts halls. hahahaha. The numbers for Gore would make your head
spin. Sure you want to go there?


Square miles of land won by:

Gore=580,000
Bush=22,427,000

And Alaska's 656,425 suare miles all want to Bush, and it's 648,818
population too. And the point is?

Pete Dimsman
This is some of the lamest crap I have seen yet.

So you don't read most of your own posts, Pete? g



Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

tom wrote:
Just in case some of you have not seen this yet.

Saw it some time ago, here http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp



facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million
Bush=143 million

Square miles of land won by:

Gore=580,000
Bush=22,427,000


The above appear to be true.

Everything else is fiction.

(Mike Powell)

Kurt Albershardt wrote in message
...

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million
Bush=143 million

Square miles of land won by:

Gore=580,000
Bush=22,427,000


The above appear to be true.

Everything else is fiction.

Actually, only the "population of counties won" numbers are close to
correct. There are only about 3.5 million sq. miles of land area in
the United States. The Bush number is too high by about a factor of
ten. This is just one of those well-known Republican
"exxxaaaguurrashuns."

The correct Bush total is about 2.4 million sq. miles. Alaska isn't
included in these numbers, though.

In case anyone's interested, here's an updated version of the
snopes.com piece discussing this Internet hoax...


While we are at it, here's a link to the factcheck.org article debunking
the Democrat's ad accusing Vice President Cheney regarding Halliburton; "Kerry
Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton".

http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html

Main points, Dems claimed as VP Cheney received $2 Million from
Halliburton and that's false. Dems implied stock prices would affect his
income - untrue. While it is true he received $400k while VP it was "deferred
compensation", that is money he already earned and payouts are fixed by
contract. The biggest point in the article, The Vice President and Lynn Cheney
signed over all the Stock options proceeds they own in the company to 3
charities including the University of Nebraska - and at today's rate that's a
donation to charity of over *8 Million dollars*.

So banging on the Halliburton drum is not only a bunch of BS, it overlooks
a truly generous act by the Vice President and his wife, who chose to remain
silent about their good deed rather than defend themselves publically by
mentioning the donations in the debates.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Pete Dimsman

Hahahahahahahahaha
You're a regular comedian.

Now, back to reality. In the news today:


Reality is what the Democratic National Commitee publically accused Cheney
of is bull****. The Cheney family gave away the equivalent of $8 millions
dollars to charity, and neither he nor his family can profit in any way from
the success - or screwups - of Halliburton. There is a copy of the legal
document that the Cheney's signed assigning all their stock options to charity
on the FactCheck.org website.

So you're only showing ignorance or your own lack of fairness. Better to
give it up and try to find a reason of real substance to plug your candidate.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits