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Kyoto Hypocracy - The Real Issue
Poopie has a poopiphany. France wants to destroy everyone else's economy You're a crackhead. You're a Kroopologist. |
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Kyoto Hypocracy - The Real Issue
"George M. Middius" wrote: Poopie has a poopiphany. France wants to destroy everyone else's economy You're a crackhead. You're a Kroopologist. You're a fathead. |
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Kyoto Hypocracy - The Real Issue
Poopie weighs in wi' the dozens. Poopie has a poopiphany. France wants to destroy everyone else's economy You're a crackhead. You're a Kroopologist. You're a fathead. You're still a Kroopologist. Game, set, match. |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - The RealIssue
On Dec 15, 3:00 pm, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net wrote: Poopie weighs in wi' the dozens. Poopie has a poopiphany. France wants to destroy everyone else's economy You're a crackhead. You're a Kroopologist. You're a fathead. You're still a Kroopologist. Game, set, match. Is this what passes for deep thought among the "engineers" these days? For the money wasted to no good purpose if Kyoto were implemented, every hungry person in the world can be fed, given basic health care, clean water and a primary education, which in turn will take him out of the slough of self-perpetuating poverty. But you guys merely see it as an opportunity to sling dull abuse at each other. I'm ashamed to have you on a conference I contribute to. Andre Jute Thumbs well clear of the bricks |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - TheReal Issue
On Dec 15, 11:31 am, Andre Jute wrote:
I'm ashamed to have you on a conference I contribute to. Is *THAT* what you call it? Coulda fooled me. And you are far more of a fool if you believe your little food/ healthcare/education crap. It is a brutal, ugly, unhappy fact that 20% of the world lives as it does requires that the other 80% lives as it does. It is certainly possible to do everything you state - for a few months. After which point all the available resources to that end would be entirely exhausted. The concept of piping clean water from southern New York (in considerable surplus at this point) to North Africa (in similar-quantity deficit) does boggle the mind some. And ground water is a VERY limited resource. Either that or shift populations. We haven't gotten around to protein, electricity, fertilizers, delivery systems, educational materials, and on and on. It is an unhappy reality that Freedom and Democracy (with capital letters) are luxuries of the very rich, extremely recent developments in human history, incredibly fragile concepts, and mightily threatened. Democracy in any meaningful way did not even exist in the US until 1920 (women finally got the vote) and some would say 1965 (The Voting Rights Act). That is how "recent" its practice - and how soon we forget. Now, of course, you could "equalize" said resources across the board. Thereby raising the 80% and reducing the 20% - after the initial infrastructure problems are addressed. The difficulty there is getting that 20% to go along with it, and getting the 80% to accept so little (both in increase and in hope). So, that something is possible in concept does not make it possible within the limits of human nature. This sort of mindless feel-good tripe puts me in mind of those who wish to exploit the oil reserves in the Alaskan wilderness (AKA: ANWR). There are billions of barrels of oil in the ground there - no argument. And they are readily exploitable with present technology. However: a) It would take ~10 years and ~$12 billion dollars to do so. b) After which the entirety of the reserves would last the US (at present consumption levels) approximately nineteen (19) months based on USDOE Estimates. c) Double that if you will by assuming reduced consumption. All sorts of happy lip-service may be paid to all sorts of hack/ crackpot ideas. But the bottom line does not alter one whit. Whether it is by man-made efforts, natural cycles, accident or divine design and intervention, the world *is* changing such that our grandchildren will live very different lives than we have - they will have no choice at all in the matter. We have essentially two choices - we leave them something to build on, or we leave them nothing much at all but the consequences of our greed. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - The Real Issue
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, Peter Wieck wrote: All sorts of happy lip-service may be paid to all sorts of hack/ crackpot ideas. But the bottom line does not alter one whit. Whether it is by man-made efforts, natural cycles, accident or divine design and intervention, the world *is* changing such that our grandchildren will live very different lives than we have - they will have no choice at all in the matter. We have essentially two choices - we leave them something to build on, or we leave them nothing much at all but the consequences of our greed. But your grandchildren are presumably part of the 20%, say you "leave them something to build on", what do you plan on doing for the other 80%? Regards, John Byrns -- Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - TheReal Issue
On Dec 15, 5:53 pm, John Byrns wrote:
But your grandchildren are presumably part of the 20%, say you "leave them something to build on", what do you plan on doing for the other 80%? John: I will recognize that they exist, that they are are part of the reason that me and mine are part of the 20%. And I will do my level best to see to it that my grandchildren are well educated, understand that they will only remain as part of the 20% if they are smarter, faster, better educated, more productive, more thoughtful, and worthy of that position. What I will not do is deny the position that my family has made for itself nor the cost to the rest of the world that it should remain so. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - TheReal Issue
Andre Jute wrote: For the money wasted to no good purpose if Kyoto were implemented, every hungry person in the world can be fed, given basic health care, clean water and a primary education, which in turn will take him out of the slough of self-perpetuating poverty. Goodness. Occasioanally you do actually make some sense. Mind you, you might need to get rid of a few African dictators to do much for the darker parts of that blighted continent. Graham |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - The Real Issue
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message ... On Dec 15, 11:31 am, Andre Jute wrote: I'm ashamed to have you on a conference I contribute to. Is *THAT* what you call it? Coulda fooled me. And you are far more of a fool if you believe your little food/ healthcare/education crap. It is a brutal, ugly, unhappy fact that 20% of the world lives as it does requires that the other 80% lives as it does. It is certainly possible to do everything you state - for a few months. After which point all the available resources to that end would be entirely exhausted. The concept of piping clean water from southern New York (in considerable surplus at this point) to North Africa (in similar-quantity deficit) does boggle the mind some. And ground water is a VERY limited resource. Either that or shift populations. We haven't gotten around to protein, electricity, fertilizers, delivery systems, educational materials, and on and on. It is an unhappy reality that Freedom and Democracy (with capital letters) are luxuries of the very rich, extremely recent developments in human history, incredibly fragile concepts, and mightily threatened. Democracy in any meaningful way did not even exist in the US until 1920 (women finally got the vote) and some would say 1965 (The Voting Rights Act). That is how "recent" its practice - and how soon we forget. Now, of course, you could "equalize" said resources across the board. Thereby raising the 80% and reducing the 20% - after the initial infrastructure problems are addressed. The difficulty there is getting that 20% to go along with it, and getting the 80% to accept so little (both in increase and in hope). So, that something is possible in concept does not make it possible within the limits of human nature. This sort of mindless feel-good tripe puts me in mind of those who wish to exploit the oil reserves in the Alaskan wilderness (AKA: ANWR). There are billions of barrels of oil in the ground there - no argument. And they are readily exploitable with present technology. However: a) It would take ~10 years and ~$12 billion dollars to do so. b) After which the entirety of the reserves would last the US (at present consumption levels) approximately nineteen (19) months based on USDOE Estimates. c) Double that if you will by assuming reduced consumption. All sorts of happy lip-service may be paid to all sorts of hack/ crackpot ideas. But the bottom line does not alter one whit. Whether it is by man-made efforts, natural cycles, accident or divine design and intervention, the world *is* changing such that our grandchildren will live very different lives than we have - they will have no choice at all in the matter. We have essentially two choices - we leave them something to build on, or we leave them nothing much at all but the consequences of our greed. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA I told you to stop berating people or I'll tell them about a 13 year old boy who got lost in the woods. S |
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Deep thought among the "engineers" was Kyoto Hypocracy - TheReal Issue
On Jan 29, 1:38*am, "Stephen" wrote:
I told you to stop berating people or I'll tell them about a 13 year old boy who got lost in the woods. Pillock: DO tell. Please. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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