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Removing music from a track to just leave vocals
Do you know of any programs that can take away the music from a mp3 track
just to leave the vocals. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 |
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In a word, not really...
-- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com "Edward Doyle" wrote in message ... Do you know of any programs that can take away the music from a mp3 track just to leave the vocals. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 27/08/2004 |
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Jay,
Actually, that turned out to be incorrect. Did you actually try playing a stereo mix through a ProLogic decoder? When I play stereo music through my HT receiver set to ProLogic, center-panned vocals come out the center channel, and music without vocals comes out the left and right. You'd *think* it would be just as simple as the "remove-the-vocals" type plugins (which remove all center-panned information) No, that's not a good approach because it removes everything panned to the center, including the bass and kick drum. So at the minimum you have to roll off the low end before combining the channels (where one channel's polarity is reversed). Also, it's often impossible to do this kind of manipulation to MP3 files because the lossy compression destroys the critical balance between channels. For best results you need the original recording, not an MP3 version. --Ethan |
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"Jay Levitt" wrote in message
... Actually, that turned out to be incorrect. I researched this one pretty intensively a few months ago. You'd *think* it would be just as simple as the "remove-the-vocals" type plugins (which remove all center-panned information), but it's just not. It takes some DSP processing, and it's a rough approximation at best - it's certainly not of a quality you could use in a production. That's not surprising since it ISN'T simple to take vocal out of the music either (and at least sound very good). Nobody outside of audio recording people really understand why this is. It takes WAY too much time to try and explain to the uninitiated what can and can't be done, and why. Especially when they think there should just "be some program invented by now that would do all that for you at the press of a button". The fact that karaoke players exists probably confuses the issue and makes them believe there's simple machines that add and remove stuff from music at will. The closest I've seen is a feature in Adobe Audition that can boost or cut center-panned audio. There's also a WinAmp plugin called "CenterCut" that claims to do it: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...owtopic=17450& Regardless of what you do find the closest thing to the master (or the master itself if possible) to try and work your magic on. It will be extremely hard even then but not near as bad as once it's been converted to MP3. |
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In article writes: The closest I've seen is a feature in Adobe Audition that can boost or cut center-panned audio. There's also a WinAmp plugin called "CenterCut" that claims to do it: The problem (as stated) was to leave the vocal (presumably in the center) and cut everything else. Most people want to remove the vocal and leave everything else. That's easy in concept and works more-or-less depending on how well centered the vocal is, and how much of it (in the form of reverb or other processing) is off center. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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On 31 Aug 2004 14:54:02 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: The closest I've seen is a feature in Adobe Audition that can boost or cut center-panned audio. There's also a WinAmp plugin called "CenterCut" that claims to do it: The problem (as stated) was to leave the vocal (presumably in the center) and cut everything else. Most people want to remove the vocal and leave everything else. That's easy in concept and works more-or-less depending on how well centered the vocal is, and how much of it (in the form of reverb or other processing) is off center. I'd bet that they do this sort of thing at Ft. Meade. Good luck getting them to tell you just what they're doing. It would be an interesting Master's project for a DSP program. You could probably do a rough approximation using the standard vocal elimination algorithm, then subtract the result from the original signal. The deamon would be in the details, of course, and would most likely involve some adaptive filtering based on the spectral content of the singer--so long as you're not processing "Real Time" (always a misleading term) it's not too difficult conceptually. My guess is the result would be more appropriate to an intelligence operation than to doing anything musically useful. |
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On 31 Aug 2004 18:11:09 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article ym4Zc.198$EB6.2@trndny08 writes: You could probably do a rough approximation using the standard vocal elimination algorithm, then subtract the result from the original signal. There's something that doesn't sound right about that. The "standard vocal elimiation" algorithm is left-minus-right. Subtract that from the original signal (I assume you mean subtract it from each channel of the original) and that gives you Left channel = L - (L - R) = R Right channel = R - (L - R) = L Good work. You've just reversed the channels. Well? Okay, a REALLY rough approximation . . . Any rougher it'd be downright jagged. |
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In article , "Ethan Winer" ethanw
at ethanwiner dot com says... Actually, that turned out to be incorrect. Did you actually try playing a stereo mix through a ProLogic decoder? When I play stereo music through my HT receiver set to ProLogic, center-panned vocals come out the center channel, and music without vocals comes out the left and right. I admit I didn't actually try it; I just read some white papers that claimed that Dolby Pro Logic's center channel was L+R. Do you get this only at vocal frequencies, or can you take a left/center/right sine wave and hear it left/center/right? Is there really no bleed at all? I find it hard to believe that nobody else has duplicated that ability. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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Jay,
I just read some white papers that claimed that Dolby Pro Logic's center channel was L+R. I haven't spent enough time investigating this either, but it sure seems to me that anything panned to the center in a stereo mix is routed by ProLogic to the center speaker, *and out of* the left and right speakers. Do you get this only at vocal frequencies Beats me. I will check this more throughly when I get a chance. I find it hard to believe that nobody else has duplicated that ability. My guess is either nobody has yet thought of using ProLogic for this, or maybe Dolby, who owns the patent, won't allow anyone else to sell a ProLogic decoder program for Karaoke use. --Ethan |
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Ed, are you "The Guy"?
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In article znr1093970871k@trad, says...
In article writes: The closest I've seen is a feature in Adobe Audition that can boost or cut center-panned audio. There's also a WinAmp plugin called "CenterCut" that claims to do it: The problem (as stated) was to leave the vocal (presumably in the center) and cut everything else. It's less than obvious from the name, but CenterCut can actually cut the center or the sides. I have been meaning to convert it to a VST plugin. One of these days I'll get around to it. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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In article , "Ethan Winer" ethanw
at ethanwiner dot com says... I haven't spent enough time investigating this either, but it sure seems to me that anything panned to the center in a stereo mix is routed by ProLogic to the center speaker, *and out of* the left and right speakers. Experiment 1: A CD track of me saying "left, right, center" panned appropriately. At first blush, only "center" is heard from the center; upon closer investigation, "left" and "right" are still present, but at a much lower volume and with nothing present over (guessing) 250Hz. Interestingly, some of the background noise and breath right before each word appear to be present, full spectrum, in the center. Experiment 2: If I take the above and mix in continuous sounds panned left, right, and center, the "main vocal" *still* is panned mostly to the appropriate speaker. However, the "background vocals" are still present in the center speaker. My surround setup is horrible - the center speaker's actually a different type of speaker altogether - so I can't be sure if it's at the same level as the side speakers or not. It seems to be either slightly softer or slightly rolled off. Sounds like Dolby is doing what Audition does, and what CenterCut claims to do, but at a much, much higher quality - moment-by-moment EQ tricks. It still can't completely isolate the center, though. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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Jay,
Experiment 1: A CD track of me saying "left, right, center" Wow, fabulous. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Sounds like Dolby is doing what Audition does, and what CenterCut claims to do, but at a much, much higher quality - moment-by-moment EQ tricks. Yeah, it must be a fairly tricky algorithm. Now all we need is a plug-in version! --Ethan |
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