Blaupunkt SF vs. Eclipse CD8053

Hi all,

I'm going to buy a new headunit in the next month or so and have narrowed it
down to either the Blaupunkt San Francisco CD72 or the Eclipse CD8053.

I like the Blau for it's included microphone RTA-ish setup option (with 9
band graphic, 4 band parametric), but the Eclipse has time alignment
(millisecond time-delay circuit to provide better imaging I suppose) and a 5
band parametric EQ. Both cost about the same (though I could probably swing
a better deal on the Blau). What do y'all think? Thanks

I would do the Eclipse. If you get everything time aligned properly then
you'll need less eq overall.

Paul Vina


"Bill Pallies" > wrote in message
m...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to buy a new headunit in the next month or so and have narrowed
it
> down to either the Blaupunkt San Francisco CD72 or the Eclipse CD8053.
>
> I like the Blau for it's included microphone RTA-ish setup option (with 9
> band graphic, 4 band parametric), but the Eclipse has time alignment
> (millisecond time-delay circuit to provide better imaging I suppose) and a
5
> band parametric EQ. Both cost about the same (though I could probably
swing
> a better deal on the Blau). What do y'all think? Thanks
>
>

Save some cash, get the Eclipse CD8443, and never look back. I was considering
the same 2 decks you are, and ended up with the 8443, it's just a better deal,
and you won't notice a difference in sound quality.

Just curious, what are the differences between the 8053 and the 8443 besides
the balanced outputs and remote control differences (both of which mean not
a great deal to me)?

Also what should I expect to pay for the 8443?

Thanks,
-Bill

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> Save some cash, get the Eclipse CD8443, and never look back. I was
considering
> the same 2 decks you are, and ended up with the 8443, it's just a better
deal,
> and you won't notice a difference in sound quality.

Just curious, what are the differences between the 8053 and the 8443 besides
the balanced outputs and remote control differences (both of which mean not
a great deal to me)?

Also what should I expect to pay for the 8443?

Thanks,
-Bill

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> Save some cash, get the Eclipse CD8443, and never look back. I was
considering
> the same 2 decks you are, and ended up with the 8443, it's just a better
deal,
> and you won't notice a difference in sound quality.

So that's it? The 8443 has the same EQ setup and time alignment and all that
good stuff? If so, then I think I'll take your advice and save the money.
Thanks.

-Bill

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
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> The 8053 has the "nob" remote (Which I've used, it's nothing special), and
the
> ability to produce 16v "balanced" volts from it's pre-amp outs if you
spend
> extra money on the balanced output adapter. Otherwise, the 8053 uses a set
of
> the same ridiculously high 8 volt outputs that the 8443 has. I listened to
the
> 8053 with the balanced line adapter and heard no difference. Even in a
> competition environment, I can't imagine it making any real difference.
Pricing
> varies from shop to shop, but part of what made me jump for the 8443 is
that I
> get the deck, dash kit, wiring harness, and installation for $440!

I just got my 8443 installed, replacing an Alpine 9813. Man, what a
difference in SQ. Much more details I hear now with the 8443 than the
Alpine and I get much better sub bass with less output voltage (it seems
to defy physic but I'm running approx 54V on my JL 1000/1 now to get the
same impact as when I was running it 63.2V with the alpine).

Does anyone know why my eclipse is causing turn on thump now which I
didn't have with my Alpine? I posted on the rec.audio.car some more
detail of my prob. if anyone is interested.

Any suggestions are helpful & much appreciated...
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<< I just got my 8443 installed, replacing an Alpine 9813. Man, what a
difference in SQ. Much more details I hear now with the 8443 than the
Alpine and I get much better sub bass >>

I listened to the 9813 late last year, and opted to pass it up while I waited
for the 9815 and Eclipse's new decks to come out. The 9815 is a huge step over
the 9813, without costing much more, and it adds Bass Engine Pro. But I
listened to the 8443 aganist the 9815 and Pioneer's Premier DEH-P940MP (which
dealers want over $700 for!) and found that the Eclipse seemed to reproduce the
best sound. If Mark is reading these posts, he'll probably remind me of Car
Sound's article which I guess claims that there shouldn't be an audible
difference between decks, but I certainly heard one. The 8443's 24 bit D/A
converter and advanced processing seems to make a lot of difference. In fact, I
prefer the way it sounds to Nakamichi's decks, and found it on level with
Pioneer's P9 competition deck. I have yet to hear Alpine's F#1 Status deck
(which I hear isn't anywhere near worth the money they want for it, unless you
plan on using it to head-up a multimedia showcase in your car) but I can't
imagine the difference is all that big.

While I was waiting to pick up the Eclipse last week @ the shop, another
customer was demo Eagles-Hell freezes over on some B&W 800 series home
speakers. I listen to track #6, Hotel California, alot in the car when I
have the Alpine. A minute or so into the song when the kick bass
started, I thought to myself "I didn't know it sounded like that". The
Alpine was not reproducing the bass that way.

I wrote it off as being a car system and didn't think about it much.
However, the 8443 was making the kick bass sound much closer to what I
heard on the B&W that day.
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Right that, the B&W's certainly made a difference, it was on a home
theater demo system, Rotel components, I think.

Mind was Alpine in the car, then Eclipse in the car. The Eclipse have
more detail sub bass, it seems.
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