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ProTools LE live?
I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv |
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On Feb 4, 4:37*pm, stv wrote:
I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. *I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? *Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? * Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv You don't want to try and do both at the same time. For one thing, there's latency that you'd be dealing with. Then, what you'd derive from the one mix (live) might not be suitable for the other (recorded). You'd be better off getting a digital mixer that has adat out and using the direct outs to go into ProTools to get your record feed. If you use a Yamaha digital mixer (01V96 or better) and their mLan card, you can get 16 direct outs via firewire to any other multi- track application via firewire. Use the analog outs for your live mix and the direct outs for your recorded mix because you can always go back and adjust them. You only get one shot live. |
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On Feb 4, 8:21*pm, wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:37*pm, stv wrote: I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. *I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? *Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? * Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv You don't want to try and do both at the same time. For one thing, there's latency that you'd be dealing with. Then, what you'd derive from the one mix (live) might not be suitable for the other (recorded). Aren't there devices that record separate tracks with level controls to a hard drive and simultaneously put out a stereo mix that would be usable for a live mix? I can do that with PT LE now, and with eight inputs or less I haven't had any latency. You'd be better off getting a digital mixer that has adat out and using the direct outs to go into ProTools to get your record feed. If you use a Yamaha digital mixer (01V96 or better) and their mLan card, you can get 16 direct outs via firewire to any other multi- track application via firewire. The cost of a Yamaha digital mixer is in a whole other league from an interface and software. Not acceptable. Use the analog outs for your live mix and the direct outs for your recorded mix because you can always go back and adjust them. Of course. You only get one shot live. Ahhh... not always. We just keep playing, again and again... :-) stv |
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ProTools LE live?
stv wrote:
I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, How long can you wait for the sound to come out? That's a potential problem with using plug-ins in a live setting. And then there's the issue of usability. If your show is one where what you need is an audio funnel rather than a real mix, that is where you don't have to operate controls once they're set, then a system like this might be workable, but I can't see having to futz with a mouse and a screen to turn up your guitar when the chorus gets a little loud. And then there's always the risk of using general purpose hardware and your own system engineering skills rather than something dedicated to, and tested for the job of passing audio from input to output in real time, all the time. A much better setup for this is a hardware mixer that has suitable outputs for whatever kind of recording you want to do. You can get mixers with a built-in USB2 or Firewire output from each input channel (essentially direct outputs) available to a computer for recording, or you can use an outboard audio interface, or simply record the main mix if you think that's going to be good enough for your purposes. There are a number of venues that are using the Digidesign ProTools based live systems, but they all involve a hardware control surface and low-latency tricks. Probably more than you want to spend. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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ProTools LE live?
On Feb 4, 5:37 pm, stv wrote:
I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv It can be done, but there are a myriad of problems. Latency has been mentioned. You really need two mixes as live sound and recorded sound aren't the going to be the same mix. How about your monitor mix and who is going to handle that? A crash will put you off the stage for about 5 minutes. Get a decent analog mixer, record from the inserts into an Alesis HD24 and dump the hard drive files into your ProTools LE for your recording mixes. Less headache and much better for live sound. |
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On Feb 5, 3:52*pm, Richard Kuschel wrote:
On Feb 4, 5:37 pm, stv wrote: I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. *I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? *Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? * Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv It can be done, but there are a myriad of problems. Latency has been mentioned. You really need two mixes as live sound and recorded sound aren't the going to be the same mix. How about your monitor mix and who is going to handle that? A crash will put you off the stage for about 5 minutes. Get a decent analog mixer, record from the inserts into an Alesis HD24 and dump the hard drive files into your ProTools LE for your recording mixes. Less headache and much better for live sound. If your band is trying to produce a live album, you'll probably end up recording a lot of gigs to get a set you like well enough to put out. So what ever recording rig you come up with you'll have to make part of your usual setup for quite awhile, so the simpler you can make it the more likely it will be to happen (esp if you play in places that have several acts a night, with fast turnarounds between acts). If your live mixer or monitor mixer has prefade direct outs devote some rehearsal time to rehearsing a setup with something like the HD24. Get the setup and settings down so you can concentrate on playing something you'll want to record. Leave the PTLE stuff at home for editing and mixing. Philip Perkins |
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ProTools LE live?
On Feb 4, 5:37 pm, stv wrote:
It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? *Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? * Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Latency is an absolute deal killer when going through plug-ins. Even when going through (just) an in-the-box mix there will be enough delay that it will detract from the feel, and it won't be "live". Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? I don't see how you can make it work live regardless of how much CPU you have. On Feb 7, 6:11 pm, philper wrote: If your band is trying to produce a live album, you'll probably end up recording a lot of gigs to get a set you like well enough to put out. *So what ever recording rig you come up with you'll have to make part of your usual setup for quite awhile, so the simpler you can make it the more likely it will be to happen (esp if you play in places that have several acts a night, with fast turnarounds between acts). *If your live mixer or monitor mixer has prefade direct outs devote some rehearsal time to rehearsing a setup with something like the HD24. *Get the setup and settings down so you can concentrate on playing something you'll want to record. *Leave the PTLE stuff at home for editing and mixing. Maybe the new JoeCo USB standalone interface ? It's made for just this scenario. rd |
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ProTools LE live?
On Feb 4, 7:37 pm, stv wrote:
I'm playing more and more gigs with our two acoustic ensembles, and I'm wondering about the possiblities of using PT LE to simultaneously mix and record. I haven't looked at the currently available hardware bits in a long time. I'd need eight preamps and some way to get the audio into PT, preferably via FireWire. It seems that by now there ought to be small boxes that could put this together and allow me to use my PT LE 7 software and plugins to pump out a live mix without a hardware mixer, and to record the tracks down to an external hard drive simultaneously. Can this be done? Or do I need to get some other boxes and learn how to use Cubase LE or some other software? Do those other s/w things have an array of plugz, EQs, lim/comprs, verbs? Finally, are these other software things (e.g. Cubase LE) more or less CPU-demanding than PT LE? Thanks, stv metric halo 2882 use their console software rec panel and dsp mixer/ low latency. |
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