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wrote: Jenn wrote: In article et, wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article et, wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article xSGOf.135165$0G.78822@dukeread10, "ScottW" wrote: Oh, I like the diversity just fine; it's the presentation that bothers me and that I think has caused the debate to become more "course". Like when there are websites like smirking chimp.com? More of that leftist class? Yeah, and then there is the Killing Kennedy video games..... Who knows where it all starts? The point is that the radio talk guys help to foster the "I'm right so you're an idiot" atmosphere. I don't know which radio guys you're talking about, since I've never heard anything like that. Could you provide some examples? Examples of the "I'm right so you're an idiot" thing? Sure. I'd rather do it elsewhere, but I'll give you some direct quotes during a break later today. Actually, I thought of one guy I have heard who does that, Mark Levin on WABC in New York. The bigger names, that I've heard, at least on the Conservative side do not normally use such tactics. Yeah, Levin is a jerk form what little I've heard of him. He's got no stomach for the same old bromides fropm Liberals, but he usually just tosses back his own. He is IIRC a lawyer and works with the Heritage Foundation, so he can't be as dumb as he sounds. He's a Hannity protege. They work in the same radio station. Try Michael "Savage" if you want to hear some real nastiness and constant lies. I don't, I prefer to hear reasoned debate even if it's from people I don't agree with. The problem is as I have said many times, there are 2 sides presenting their polarized views and neither side is above strectching the truth to win. When it comes to journalism, I find this particularly abhorent. The NYT and the other big liberal papers print crap all the time that is blatantly false and never get called on it, just look at all the nonsense regarding hurricaine Katrina. There was looting in the streets, rapes,and on and on. None of it true. Or look at how there was a blood lust over the video supposedly telling Bush that the levee's weren't expected to hold, when no such thing was contained therein. Who said that you could hijack my thread? Get this crap out of my thread, McKelvy. You come at me complaining about the behaviour of "subjectivists" towards you and your boyfriend Krueger, and you have the nerve to hijack people's threads; an extreme breach of netiquette? Remember the term "lying hypocrite" I tried to teach you earlier? |
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#83
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Jenn wrote: In article et, wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article et, wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article xSGOf.135165$0G.78822@dukeread10, "ScottW" wrote: Oh, I like the diversity just fine; it's the presentation that bothers me and that I think has caused the debate to become more "course". Like when there are websites like smirking chimp.com? More of that leftist class? Yeah, and then there is the Killing Kennedy video games..... Who knows where it all starts? The point is that the radio talk guys help to foster the "I'm right so you're an idiot" atmosphere. I don't know which radio guys you're talking about, since I've never heard anything like that. Could you provide some examples? Examples of the "I'm right so you're an idiot" thing? Sure. I'd rather do it elsewhere, but I'll give you some direct quotes during a break later today. Actually, I thought of one guy I have heard who does that, Mark Levin on WABC in New York. The bigger names, that I've heard, at least on the Conservative side do not normally use such tactics. Yeah, Levin is a jerk form what little I've heard of him. He's got no stomach for the same old bromides fropm Liberals, but he usually just tosses back his own. He is IIRC a lawyer and works with the Heritage Foundation, so he can't be as dumb as he sounds. He's a Hannity protege. They work in the same radio station. Try Michael "Savage" if you want to hear some real nastiness and constant lies. I don't, I prefer to hear reasoned debate even if it's from people I don't agree with. The problem is as I have said many times, there are 2 sides presenting their polarized views and neither side is above strectching the truth to win. When it comes to journalism, I find this particularly abhorent. The NYT and the other big liberal papers print crap all the time that is blatantly false and never get called on it, just look at all the nonsense regarding hurricaine Katrina. There was looting in the streets, rapes,and on and on. None of it true. Or look at how there was a blood lust over the video supposedly telling Bush that the levee's weren't expected to hold, when no such thing was contained therein. Who said that you could hijack my thread? You don't have a thread, you have a propaganda pieced for the incredibly stupid. Get this crap out of my thread, McKelvy. You come at me complaining about the behaviour of "subjectivists" towards you and your boyfriend Krueger, and you have the nerve to hijack people's threads; an extreme breach of netiquette? Remember the term "lying hypocrite" I tried to teach you earlier? Remember the term snake oil? It's what you must eat for breakfast. You have yet to offer any sort of evidence of any kind on anything that demonstrates that any of the crap you have stated is in fact true. Worse, you asked for proof of a negative, indicating your complete dishonesty. |
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#84
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: wrote in message ups.com... wrote: wrote in message oups.com... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Jenn" wrote in message It's interesting that in some endeavors, one can express an opinion, or even be factually wrong about something, and not be called an idiot. Not here, however. Note that so-called subjectivists seem to be more prone to use the word idiot - both on each other and on objectivists. On RAO one of the most prolific orgionators of the word is George Middius. I don't mean to suggest that you are a lying hypocrite Mr. Kreuger, and that this appears to be a very commonly held fact about you... but aren't you responsible for having written this?: From: Arny Krueger Date: Thurs, Aug 15 2002 9:49 am "Tapio Vanhanen" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message y.com... "Tapio Vanhanen" wrote in message snip "Tapio", I did that in the first post in this thread, the one you used to give us an object lesson in the fact that you are so stupid that you can't even count to 109! ================================== And did you write this, where you call your opponent an "idiot" not once but twice in the same post? And isn't your "idiot" opponent (the one you call an "idiot"), what they call an "objectist"? So aren't you using the word on your "own kind", so to speak, as you whine above about so-called "subjectivists" doing? From: Arny Krueger - Date: Tues, Jan 27 2004 10:00 am "Le Artiste" wrote in message snip Thanks for dismissing relevant facts, again Dormer. Earlier, I claimed that you are a blithering idiot who dismisses relevant evidence that exposes your ignorance, and you performed on cue. snip Stop blaming your tools! Thanks for dismissing relevant facts, again Dormer. Earlier, I claimed that you are a blithering idiot who dismisses relevant evidence that exposes your ignorance, and you performed on cue. snip Dormer is so afraid of taking responsibility for what he says that he is now habitually posting with the no-archive flag turned on. Nevertheless, here's a quote of one of his recent posts where he tries to lie his way out of a discussion of this very situation: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=t...3%40fed1read01 Follow the thread for other quotes from Dormer as he spins his way out of control. You might want to get some perspective and read some of Dormer's posts. He's hardly an innocent victim. Not that you care much about pesky things like facts. You don't say? Well isn't THAT ironic? I say you're either an alias of Kreuger's, or your his right hand man, a supreme Kreuger apologist. Krueger can stab someone in the face 12 times in front of 5,000 witnesses, and you'll say the man fell on Kreuger's knife. 12 times. You wouldn't recognize a "fact" Mr. McKelvy, if it stabbed you in the face. Here's the FACTS. Just TRY and argue against me on this: Krueger whined about how "subjectivists" always objectivists and each other "idiots". In two seconds I found numerous examples of your boyfriend Krueger calling others "idiot" and "stupid". I posted two such examples, since that's all that was needed to prove the point about Krueger being a lying, whining, hypocrite. Where did he ever say he never does such things? What did you do, sell your brains for taffy when you were in grade school? You can't POSSBILY be that stupid, can you? Your boyfriend Krueger _just got finished_ whining about "subjectivists" calling "objectivists" "idiots", I said he was a lying hypocrite for having said that, and I used actual evidence as proof. What part of "lying hypocrite" don't you understand, slo-mo? What part of reacting to enourmous provocation don't you get? Dormer has repeatedly gone out of his way to be as rude and vulgar as possible, with no provocation at all. You telling now about what the other guy did to provoke Krueger only shows what a true imbecile you are, since everyone else seems to know that it doesn't excuse Kreuger's criticism of others, or change the fact that he's a lying hypocrite and therefore has no right to criticize others for behaviour he engages in. Not everyone, only the usual suspects. Really? Who besides you will defend this lying hypocrite for having whined about "subjectivists" calling "objectivists" "idiots" when he's done the very same thing toward "subjectivists"? You mean you don't know? There have been a few just in the last few days, go find them and while you look, remember this, it doesn't mean anything if it were just me or nobody who defended him against the kooks and scum who have attacked him, it only matters that he doesn't deserve the treatment and that it doesn't slove any thing, unless your solution is to become what you claim to despise. If anyone will defend Kreuger on this, please show your face now, and let's see what excuses you have. Anyone? C'mon! Someone besides Krueger's boy toy, Mike McKelvy? You're a lying hypocrite And you are a brain dead gerbil. I see you have yet to stay on topic or anwer one single audio question. Prove it. I just proved above that you're too stupid to even understand the term. as well for excusing Krueger's behavior. Now go back to banging your head against a wall. Is that how you got to be so brilliant? You have nothing to say but a lame "IKYABWAI" and you think you're brilliant? |
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#86
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oups.com The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda. There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. |
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#87
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"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message ups.com... From: Date: Tues, Mar 7 2006 10:01 pm Email: " The NYT and the other big liberal papers print crap all the time that is blatantly false and never get called on it, just look at all the nonsense regarding hurricaine Katrina. There was looting in the streets, rapes,and on and on. None of it true. Tell that to the police and soldiers that were fired upon during rescue operations. Or was all of that false too? Much of it was. http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporlea...005_09_26.html ScottW |
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#88
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda. There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. Oh there you are. We were just talking about you... Aren't you the infamous audio newsgroup troll/audio propagandist who said that a $35 Coby Cd player will outperform a $30,000 SME? There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. Prove it (tm). |
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#89
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wrote in message oups.com... , in fit of objectivist rage, blurted out: wrote in message oups.com... Who said that you could hijack my thread? You don't have a thread, you have a propaganda piece for the incredibly stupid. Is that why I keep seeing you in my thread, when you have no business being here? You don't get to dictate where I post. The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" Something I've never said, but why would you let truth get inyour way now? propaganda. Which you've spent the last number of years trumpeting on this group in your quasi-objectivist agenda, I'll bet. And which no one but extremist nutjobs like yourself are buying. Me and everybody who actually has a cursory understanding of electronics as it applies to audio. But at least I see that we're back on topic.... Get this crap out of my thread, McKelvy. Ooooh, you've been taking lessons from Jute/McCoy, or maybe you are another of his sockpuppetts. You work pretty much the same way. You come at me complaining about the behaviour of "subjectivists" towards you and your boyfriend Krueger, and you have the nerve to hijack people's threads; an extreme breach of netiquette? Remember the term "lying hypocrite" I tried to teach you earlier? Remember the term snake oil? Considering that I've seen objectivists use this tired, worn out phrase about 65 and half million times.... no. What is it, and do you have any to sell? I'll pay a princely sum, if you do. It's what you must eat for breakfast. Don't be ridiculous. It tastes AWFUL. However, I do smear it on my woofer cones. Works a treat to improve the ol' hifi kit. You have yet to offer any sort of evidence of any kind on anything that demonstrates that any of the crap you have stated is in fact true. That's funny.... because I was just about to say that to YOU. What evidence do YOU have that any of the quite legitimate tweaks that I've publicized here are, how did you put it? "Crap"? You don't really get the burden of proof thing do you? Worse, you asked for proof of a negative, indicating your complete dishonesty. Prove it. (tm) You first, you made the claims. |
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#90
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wrote: wrote in message oups.com... , in fit of objectivist rage, blurted out: wrote in message oups.com... Who said that you could hijack my thread? You don't have a thread, you have a propaganda piece for the incredibly stupid. Is that why I keep seeing you in my thread, when you have no business being here? You don't get to dictate where I post. I see. The funny part is, although you're too stupid to have gotten it, you just admitted you're incredibly stupid. And you're right! LOL! The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" Something I've never said, but why would you let truth get inyour way now? Well it's not like it ever impeded your path, has it, you belligerent little ankle-biter? You conveniently snipped out the part where I asked you why you went on the rec.audio.tubes group to spew your inane nonsense about solid state amps being better, and **** off all the tube lovers? Just as you do here with audiophiles. Why did you do that, hmmm? propaganda. Which you've spent the last number of years trumpeting on this group in your quasi-objectivist agenda, I'll bet. And which no one but extremist nutjobs like yourself are buying. Me and everybody who actually has a cursory understanding of electronics as it applies to audio. Dont kid yourself, son. You haven't a clue as to what audio is about. But at least I see that we're back on topic.... Get this crap out of my thread, McKelvy. Ooooh, you've been taking lessons from Jute/McCoy, or maybe you are another of his sockpuppetts. You work pretty much the same way. I've been called a lot of things in my time, but what the hell's a "sockpuppet", you paranoid lunatic?? You have yet to offer any sort of evidence of any kind on anything that demonstrates that any of the crap you have stated is in fact true. That's funny.... because I was just about to say that to YOU. What evidence do YOU have that any of the quite legitimate tweaks that I've publicized here are, how did you put it? "Crap"? You don't really get the burden of proof thing do you? Yes, I do. Whoever makes a claim has a burden to prove it. You have yet to prove any of the claims you have made to me. Ergo, you can shut up about the "proof thing", until you do. What you don't get, is that this works both ways. |
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#91
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wrote in message
oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda. There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. Oh there you are. We were just talking about you... Aren't you the infamous audio newsgroup troll/audio propagandist who said that a $35 Coby Cd player will outperform a $30,000 SME? No, I'm the well-known audio group participant who said that a $35 Coby will sound better than a $30,000 SME if faithfulness to the original master recording is your criteria. There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. Prove it (tm). Check the google archives. You will find that the phrase "everything sounds the same" has been origionated on RAO more often by so-called subjectivists. |
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#92
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wrote in message oups.com... I've been called a lot of things in my time, but what the hell's a "sockpuppet", you paranoid lunatic?? True, you are merely anonymous. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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#93
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: wrote in message oups.com... , in fit of objectivist rage, blurted out: wrote in message oups.com... Who said that you could hijack my thread? You don't have a thread, you have a propaganda piece for the incredibly stupid. Is that why I keep seeing you in my thread, when you have no business being here? You don't get to dictate where I post. I see. The funny part is, although you're too stupid to have gotten it, you just admitted you're incredibly stupid. And you're right! LOL! The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" Something I've never said, but why would you let truth get in your way now? Well it's not like it ever impeded your path, has it, you belligerent little ankle-biter? You conveniently snipped out the part where I asked you why you went on the rec.audio.tubes group to spew your inane nonsense about solid state amps being better, and **** off all the tube lovers? Just as you do here with audiophiles. Why did you do that, hmmm? I said that SS is better and more reliable than tubed gear because it is a simple fact. Had not Mr. McCoy started spewing bile here, I would never have thought to go there. propaganda. Which you've spent the last number of years trumpeting on this group in your quasi-objectivist agenda, I'll bet. And which no one but extremist nutjobs like yourself are buying. The market for SS equipment is vastly larger than the one for tubed gear, so I think it's safe to say most peopl are buying it. Me and everybody who actually has a cursory understanding of electronics as it applies to audio. Dont kid yourself, son. You haven't a clue as to what audio is about. OSAF. But at least I see that we're back on topic.... Get this crap out of my thread, McKelvy. Ooooh, you've been taking lessons from Jute/McCoy, or maybe you are another of his sockpuppetts. You work pretty much the same way. I've been called a lot of things in my time, but what the hell's a "sockpuppet", you paranoid lunatic?? Look it up. You have yet to offer any sort of evidence of any kind on anything that demonstrates that any of the crap you have stated is in fact true. That's funny.... because I was just about to say that to YOU. What evidence do YOU have that any of the quite legitimate tweaks that I've publicized here are, how did you put it? "Crap"? You don't really get the burden of proof thing do you? Yes, I do. Whoever makes a claim has a burden to prove it. You have yet to prove any of the claims you have made to me. Ergo, you can shut up about the "proof thing", until you do. What you don't get, is that this works both ways. It doesn't seem to work at with you. At least now I'm sure that you should be ignored. |
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#94
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Arny Krueger wrote : wrote in message oups.com Arny Krueger wrote: Oh there you are. We were just talking about you... Aren't you the infamous audio newsgroup troll/audio propagandist who said that a $35 Coby Cd player will outperform a $30,000 SME? No, I'm the well-known audio group participant I'm sorry... is this some code for "troll"? Do you mean well known "troll", Mr. Kreuger? You should know, your reputation precedes you. And when you say "well known"... do you mean "infamous"? As you say, a "trip into the google archives" shows just what kind of a maniac that you are. who said that a $35 Coby will sound better than a $30,000 SME if faithfulness to the original master recording is your criteria. Yes, that was the one. That basically says all we need to know about you, MR. Kreuger. I'd value your credibility as about on par with... oh I don't know, mouldy goat's cheese, I'd say. What proof have you of your claim, anyway? Have you DBT'd the $35 Coby against a master of a CD you had on hand, to make that claim? Or are you just pulling things out of your arse, as you always do? There is no such thing as "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" propaganda any place but in the mind of certain "I swear, everything sounds different!!" subjectivists. Prove it (tm). Check the google archives. You will find that the phrase "everything sounds the same" has been origionated on RAO more often by so-called subjectivists. Checked it, found no such proof. Prove it (tm) |
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#95
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wrote: wrote in message oups.com... wrote: wrote in message oups.com... , in fit of objectivist rage, blurted out: wrote in message oups.com... Who said that you could hijack my thread? You don't have a thread, you have a propaganda piece for the incredibly stupid. Is that why I keep seeing you in my thread, when you have no business being here? You don't get to dictate where I post. I see. The funny part is, although you're too stupid to have gotten it, you just admitted you're incredibly stupid. And you're right! LOL! Admit it. That one just flew over your head, didn't it, Mike? The only "propaganda" I see, is your silly objectivist "I swear, everything sounds the same!!" Something I've never said, but why would you let truth get in your way now? Well it's not like it ever impeded your path, has it, you belligerent little ankle-biter? You conveniently snipped out the part where I asked you why you went on the rec.audio.tubes group to spew your inane nonsense about solid state amps being better, and **** off all the tube lovers? Just as you do here with audiophiles. Why did you do that, hmmm? I said that SS is better and more reliable than tubed gear because it is a simple fact. The only "simple fact" here is that you are truly of sub-par intelligence. You are sheep, you couldn't think for yourself if someone put a gun to your head. You are Renfrew, the vampire's sidekick. Everything you spew here is only your personal opinion, nothing more. Including that tripe about SS amps being better and more reliable than tubed gear. Had not Mr. McCoy started spewing bile here, I would never have thought to go there. Right. Same disease as Kreuger, no wonder. "Blame the other guy" for your reprehensible behaviour. Im sure you got a tongue lashing for straying outside your pen, and Im sure you deserved everything you got. propaganda. Which you've spent the last number of years trumpeting on this group in your quasi-objectivist agenda, I'll bet. And which no one but extremist nutjobs like yourself are buying. The market for SS equipment is vastly larger than the one for tubed gear, so I think it's safe to say most peopl are buying it. So is the market for itsy bitsy mini compact stereos. As do all the self-professed "objectivists", you believe in "good sound by popularity"! LOL! A dweeb like you is not even good enough for tubed gear. Keep your mini compact, it suits you. I've been called a lot of things in my time, but what the hell's a "sockpuppet", you paranoid lunatic?? Look it up. I did. The definition said: "See Mike McKelvy". It doesn't seem to work at with you. At least now I'm sure that you should be ignored. It appears that most people either ignore you or have you killfiled. In the war on "subjectivists", you are a most inconsequential figure. You're simply too dumb to do any good for the objectivists, so at least thankfully, they have you as their spokesperson. I dont have killfile as an option, so all this time, I was wondering how the hell to get you to stop stalking me. Is that all it takes? Thank heavens! I'll expect you are a troll of your word and this is your response to my posts. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I always say.... (Uh-oh... why am I getting the feeling you just lied to everyone again?) |
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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:02:49 -0800, soundhaspriority wrote:
You are sheep You are troll Plonk! |
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