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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
Nobody smokes in their studio
Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
Dont forget: like new.............barely used............etc
"Shawn" wrote in message m... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
Older Vintage Digital Equiptment.
"Shawn" wrote in message m... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"Shawn" wrote in message m... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound Here's one I learned today: "...or best offer" doesn't really mean "or best offer", it means the full price the guy is asking for it to begin with. (You know who you are - yes, you.) -- Neil Henderson Progressive Rock http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"Steinberg Cubase SX 2.0 : Hardly used, good as new!"
They probably mean that the bits & bytes on the CD are still fresh and have that new car smell! "Max Arwood" wrote in message om... Older Vintage Digital Equiptment. "Shawn" wrote in message m... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound |
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Max Arwood wrote:
Older Vintage Digital Equiptment. A few months ago, a guy posted the following sentence (quoted exactly) to a local forsale newsgroup: MY FIANCE HAS QUITE A FEW ANTIQUES FOR SALE. SEWING MACHINE, SECRETARY,ROCKER, COMPUTER HUTCH,ETC. I suppose it would be a really BIG piece of furniture, with maybe some drawers for storing spare vacuum tubes and punch cards... - Logan |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"I haven't tested it, but there's no reason it shouldn't be working perfectly."
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"When I said put it in a case, I didn't just mean the guitar case!"
Tom "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... "I haven't tested it, but there's no reason it shouldn't be working perfectly." |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
In article ,
Karl Winkler wrote: (Shawn) wrote in message om... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound And everything is "rare" such as a "Rare, Black-Faced ADAT Machine" You reminded me of another one... the 'black faced' one is always better. Even if they all came with black faces... Regards, Monte McGuire |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
I'll see your three, and add three more...
Unit has only 'slight' rack wear Unit for sale is NOT unit in the picture Unit's reserve price is higher than retail -- Christopher Stevens producer/engineer cs productions, inc. http://www.christopherstevens.com http://www.fabmusic.com "Shawn" wrote in message m... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound |
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In article unZ9c.129059$po.850555@attbi_s52,
Chris Stevens wrote: I'll see your three, and add three more... Unit has only 'slight' rack wear Wish they'd be specific, don't you? Obviously, the screws are going to make round impressoins on the flanges. It's hard to avoid scratches on the top, bottom or sides of anything. But are the flanges bent? Are the corners of the unit 90 degree angles? One of my synths sags under its weight enough to make the case tilt maybe 5 degrees when the front panel is flat. It's not just the flanges bent :-) (No, it will never be offered on Ebay or anywhere else, and I'm painfully honest in my auctions anyway. My electronic gear usually just gets given to less fortunate friends, so it's not an issue). Unit for sale is NOT unit in the picture Unit's reserve price is higher than retail On a serious note, I appreciate when starting bids are in the ballpark. I sort by price, and I'm looking for things with prices in the middle of the bell, and particularly not at a lower extreme. So a 99 cent item won't be noticed until there are some bids. I also have to say that I really and truly appreciate "Buy it Now." I was never raised to be much of a competitive person, and the idea of haggling isn't something that my culture embraces, so it's a chore that I have to work at, and it's a skill that I lack. I'm *much* more comfortable with, "here is the item as I represent it, and here is the price that it will sell at to the first person who offers to buy it." So I've quite often gone for buy-it-now items even though there were auctions of the same stuff at lower apparent prices. I also wonder how certain types of things end up being auctioned off to begin with. I hardly buy *anything* that I don't intent to use until it dies, or keep until *I* die. A piece of gear is either going to survive my pounding on it, or it isn't. If it doesn't, my conscious won't allow me to *sell* it to someone! If it *does* survive, it never leaves my smoke-free studio and it is never placed into my climate-controlled storage :-) |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"Works Great"
On arrival of a console nothing worked because it did'nt have a power supply. So it "Works NOT AT ALL" After finding power supply it powered up but very little of the functionality worked. "Works Like Crap" After cleaning the console it "Works OK" sigh... IR |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
wrote
Here's one I learned today: "...or best offer" doesn't really mean "or best offer", it means the full price the guy is asking for it to begin with. I think you are looking at it from the wrong point of view. The best offer in his eyes would be significantly more than he was asking. Anthony Gosnell |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
Just remember me - One of your less fortunate friends
Max Arwood "james" wrote in message news:ZGZ9c.16250$Q45.9652@fed1read02... In article unZ9c.129059$po.850555@attbi_s52, Chris Stevens wrote: I'll see your three, and add three more... Unit has only 'slight' rack wear Wish they'd be specific, don't you? Obviously, the screws are going to make round impressoins on the flanges. It's hard to avoid scratches on the top, bottom or sides of anything. But are the flanges bent? Are the corners of the unit 90 degree angles? One of my synths sags under its weight enough to make the case tilt maybe 5 degrees when the front panel is flat. It's not just the flanges bent :-) (No, it will never be offered on Ebay or anywhere else, and I'm painfully honest in my auctions anyway. My electronic gear usually just gets given to less fortunate friends, so it's not an issue). Unit for sale is NOT unit in the picture Unit's reserve price is higher than retail On a serious note, I appreciate when starting bids are in the ballpark. I sort by price, and I'm looking for things with prices in the middle of the bell, and particularly not at a lower extreme. So a 99 cent item won't be noticed until there are some bids. I also have to say that I really and truly appreciate "Buy it Now." I was never raised to be much of a competitive person, and the idea of haggling isn't something that my culture embraces, so it's a chore that I have to work at, and it's a skill that I lack. I'm *much* more comfortable with, "here is the item as I represent it, and here is the price that it will sell at to the first person who offers to buy it." So I've quite often gone for buy-it-now items even though there were auctions of the same stuff at lower apparent prices. I also wonder how certain types of things end up being auctioned off to begin with. I hardly buy *anything* that I don't intent to use until it dies, or keep until *I* die. A piece of gear is either going to survive my pounding on it, or it isn't. If it doesn't, my conscious won't allow me to *sell* it to someone! If it *does* survive, it never leaves my smoke-free studio and it is never placed into my climate-controlled storage :-) |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
"Monte P McGuire" wrote in message ... In article , Karl Winkler wrote: (Shawn) wrote in message om... Nobody smokes in their studio Everything has been kept in storage for at least ten years Digital equipment has that "analog" sound And everything is "rare" such as a "Rare, Black-Faced ADAT Machine" You reminded me of another one... the 'black faced' one is always better. Even if they all came with black faces... LOL! No kidding... when I was still a PARIS user, we would joke around on the users group about that sort of thing after Emu came out with the newer PARIS blue color scheme... "yeah, I've got one of the original vintage blackface PARIS rigs - sounds much better than the blue, trust me."  -- Neil Henderson Progressive Rock http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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In article ,
Analogeezer wrote: I mean how did an inch of plywood get chewed off most of the cabinet if it was just used in a church install g The rest of the story is probably all about church budgets ($0.00), and that the stuff was well-used before it was donated. |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
I also have to say that I really and truly appreciate "Buy it Now."
i'm beginning to only look at buy it now auctions -- simply because i'm tired of stuff always getting sniped. (if i can rant a bit here) it's so annoying everyone jumping in at the last minute because they want to save $2. now, there's even a snipe site (justsnipe.com). i signed up out of frustration, but i'm still holding to my guns that if everyone just put in the maximum amount they were willing to pay, everything would be fine. i have heard of auction sites that extend the auction by 15 minutes if a bid is placed -- i wonder if ebay will begin this in light of the snipe sites -- and the increased bandwidth of people clicking reload every 10 secs in the last 2min of an auction. ok. i feel better. cd /.. |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
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J.W. wrote: It's not a question of bidder ethics---it's a question of math! Something that bothers me about it: Opportunity cost. If I bid on an item early, and I think I'm going to get it, I'm not able to bid or buy on another item. The other items come and go, and I end up shut out when someone snipes me. Happens a lot. I don't usually *care*, but it does irritate me. My solution is just to buy B-stock from Zzounds or whatever. |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
james wrote:
Something that bothers me about it: Opportunity cost. If I bid on an item early, and I think I'm going to get it, I'm not able to bid or buy on another item. The other items come and go, and I end up shut out when someone snipes me. Happens a lot. I don't usually *care*, but it does irritate me. OK, but mathematically, there is no reason to bid until almost the last minute. You just need time to start at the lowest reasonable bid and move upwards toward the value you have decided you will pay. If everyone decides in advance what they wish to pay, it does not matter much when they bid as long as they do it before the auction closes. Anyway, it's an auction, so "I think I'm going to get it" doesn't really make sense. There is not much of any way of predicting what will happen, so having definite expectations is somewhat unrealistic. - Logan |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
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Logan Shaw wrote: If everyone decides in advance what they wish to pay, it does not matter much when they bid as long as they do it before the auction closes. There's always some asshole who is willing to pay 25 cents more than my initial bid :-) That asshole rarely enters his bid before the last second of the auction. So, yeah, I have to decide "I will pay X amount, and not 25 cents more than that", and enter the bid. Anyway, it's an auction, so "I think I'm going to get it" doesn't really make sense. Opportunity cost. If I have a bid working on one item, I have to assume I'm going to be exposed for that amount. Which precludes my bidding on another item. Now, I think there might be a cultural problem with me an the whole concept of auction. I also can't really deal with barter very well. I become uncomfortable any time an item is for sale and the price is not specified. I can't stand the new car buisness, or real estate, for this reason. My brain isn't wired to accept the fact that an item for sale might be sold for very different amounts to different people. I don't know why, it just bothers me, a lot. Tell you for sure, there's no way I'll ever do the "new car" deal, knowing that a better negotiator will always get a better price on the same car. Another thing I can't stand, at all: Call for our price! Too low to list! Won't happen. If there's a competing product, that's my cue to go look at its specs or whatever. Anyway, I like Ebay, I like buy-it-now. Just bought another Shuttle XPC, and some new microphones (Marshall 603, based on today's discussion, guess they aren't bad for the price range?). Whenever I try to sell stuff with buy-it-now, it's as if there's a stigma against it, though. Last batch of items (blacksmith creations, not electronics/audio), the auctions ended, then somebody contacted me with an offer for the lot. Offer was just short of the buy-it price for everything. Everybody's happy, but I'm bewildered. |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
james wrote:
In article , Logan Shaw wrote: If everyone decides in advance what they wish to pay, it does not matter much when they bid as long as they do it before the auction closes. There's always some asshole who is willing to pay 25 cents more than my initial bid :-) That asshole rarely enters his bid before the last second of the auction. So, yeah, I have to decide "I will pay X amount, and not 25 cents more than that", and enter the bid. Well, a more effective strategy is to pick X amount, then enter (say) half that. Then near the end of the auction, increase by small amounts as long as people outbid you, stopping at X, or stopping at whatever point you don't have to increase it further because others have dropped out. If you enter X amount right off and then do nothing, you are giving the sniper information about what exactly X is, and they can capitalize on that information by bidding X + 0.25. Auctions are most fair when everyone bids the minimum they need to bid at any given point to get to where they eventually want to be, because in that case, nobody knows anyone else's idea of X, so they all have to go through it together and keep bidding up until there is just one left. If everyone takes this approach, it works out pretty fairly because they all pick their own X, and in the end the one with the highest personal X is the one that wins the auction, and by definition they were willing to pay that amount, and nobody else was willing to pay a higher amount. In my opinion, eBay auctions are waaay too long. They should last for something like 2 hours or maybe 1 hour, since that's when the real bidding takes place anyway. The fact that they last for several days is just a nice way of building interest in the items (which itself does have value). It probably also serves to drive up the average price because it makes people commit to following a product over a few days, and after they've spent all that effort, they want to get it over with and just buy the thing. :-) Opportunity cost. If I have a bid working on one item, I have to assume I'm going to be exposed for that amount. Which precludes my bidding on another item. Indeed, going back to my theory the auctions are just way too danged long. Now, I think there might be a cultural problem with me an the whole concept of auction. I also can't really deal with barter very well. I become uncomfortable any time an item is for sale and the price is not specified. I can't stand the new car buisness, or real estate, for this reason. My brain isn't wired to accept the fact that an item for sale might be sold for very different amounts to different people. I don't know why, it just bothers me, a lot. Tell you for sure, there's no way I'll ever do the "new car" deal, knowing that a better negotiator will always get a better price on the same car. Yes, it does suck in a way, but it's very much a fact of life. It's a shame that some people are good at it and some are not, and you're financially rewarded for being good at it or penalized for not being good at it. I have for most of my life generally sucked at that type of thing, but I have sort of learned to play the game. When I moved into my current apartment, I managed to find a really good deal at a brand new complex that had just opened and was at low occupancy. They were offering amazing deals. I hesitated for a second, and the guy threw in a free garage. A little more hesitation but still showing interest, and he started giving up-front discounts (that could be pro-rated across 12 months). But I didn't really want to live in that complex. So I went to the complex where I really wanted to live and brought along the paperwork for the great deal at the other place. And in essence I told the leasing consultant that I'd prefer to live here (I'm giving away the ending now...), but they were going to have to make me feel good about passing up on this phenomenal deal at the other place if they wanted that to happen. Long story short, they gave me a good price (confirmed when newer staff members look in my file and say "wow, you're getting a really good deal for that floorplan"), and I am living in an apartment that I like. So someone who sucks at bargaining really can learn how to do it. :-) Another thing I can't stand, at all: Call for our price! Too low to list! Won't happen. If there's a competing product, that's my cue to go look at its specs or whatever. It's just a game they play to get you on the telephone. If you are curious enough to call, you're probably curious enough to buy. Once you're on the phone, they can not only give you the price but start the sales tactics as well. In other words, they are trading their information (the asking price) for your information (the fact that you're interested, and whatever verbal or non-verbal cues you give them about how interested you are, what price you'll accept, etc.). - Logan |
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Logan Shaw wrote: So someone who sucks at bargaining really can learn how to do it. :-) My girlfriend is 100% Greek. It comes absolutely natural to her. Another good friend is a 6'4" Gypsy Fortuneteller who happens to be a journeyman blacksmith. Seriously. The whole barter/bargain thing is like living and breathing to that guy. It makes me jealous. It's just a game they play to get you on the telephone. Of course, I see right through it. And I don't think it's a good trade: My *very* valuable time for their basic information that they shouldn't withhold in the first place? No thanks. |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
I forgot that's my favorite, the "church story" .My number one all
time favorite was a Moog Memorymoog that was "used mimimally in our church". hohoho. You can't fool me. I know that church organist must have played the **** out of that thang. The rest of the story is probably all about church budgets ($0.00), and that the stuff was well-used before it was donated. |
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Another thing I can't stand, at all: Call for our price! Too low to
list! Won't happen. If there's a competing product, that's my cue to go look at its specs or whatever. It's just a game they play to get you on the telephone. I don't think that is the case. I think it is more a fear of pricing something and having a competitor undercut your price. Most of these guys could really give a rat's about "getting you on the phone". They'd rather have you call and ask how much and then either sell to you or hang up. My too sense... searching for peace, love and quality footwear guido http://www.guidotoons.com http://www.theloniousmoog.com http://www.luckymanclark.com |
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JWelsh3374 wrote: I don't think that is the case. I think it is more a fear of pricing something and having a competitor undercut your price. And, this is good for the consumer... how? As the customer, I don't think this says the right thing to me. "We're so afraid that you might get a better deal elsewhere, that we will gladly inconvenience you." I'm feeling the warm and fuzzy already! |
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james wrote:
In article , Logan Shaw wrote: So someone who sucks at bargaining really can learn how to do it. :-) My girlfriend is 100% Greek. It comes absolutely natural to her. If it doesn't come natural to you, Chester Karass has a series of books on the subject. Your car dealer has read them, so you probably want to also. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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So someone who sucks at bargaining
really can learn how to do it. :-) My girlfriend is 100% Greek. It comes absolutely natural to her. You obviously don't understand what "Greek" means. |
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As the customer, I don't think this says the right thing to me.
"We're so afraid that you might get a better deal elsewhere, that we will gladly inconvenience you." Good point. searching for peace, love and quality footwear guido http://www.guidotoons.com http://www.theloniousmoog.com http://www.luckymanclark.com |
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Three things I learned buying audio gear on eBay
oh, i understand how the snipe thing works -- i've done it myself.
it's just nervewracking and a time-waster. i really appreciate when people list stuff with a reasonable buy-it-now price. it's easy to click buyitnow, hit the paypal button and the deal's done. and i do the math. if something isn't buyitnow enabled, i figure out a good price i'd be willing to pay, and that's the bid i place. it's still annoying when someone get's it for $.50 more than my bid, but, that's the game i suppose. cheers, chris deckard (Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1080689238k@trad... In article writes: i'm still holding to my guns that if everyone just put in the maximum amount they were willing to pay, everything would be fine. That wouldn't really be an auction, it would be a "best offer" sale. The idea of an auction is that "auction fever" boosts the best offers. Besides, people tell me never to bid what I think it's worth early on because this is a tip-off that the item has some value and is therefore worth more than what's been bid. It's a sure way to lose the auction. I don't like it either, and rarely bid (and even more rarely buy) on eBay. My last experience was that the seller (a business) shipped the wrong manual with my purchase. I was a good sport and offered to return it, they were a good sport and sent me their UPS acount number to charge the shipping to them, but they never found the correct manual for my purchase. |
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In article ,
William Sommerwerck wrote: My girlfriend is 100% Greek. It comes absolutely natural to her. You obviously don't understand what "Greek" means. Uh... unless I missed something... I doubt there's anything you can tell me that I haven't experienced... if not from her, then from her *dad*. |
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