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WAV Metadata and XP
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I have a copy of a load of WAV's from a friend who is having problems seeing the Metadata in XP. He has a Numark DDS system that he uses to rip CD tracks to WAV onto a USB Hard Drive, and he then manually enters the Album Title, Track Title and Artist data. The Hard Drive is FAT32. Now, when you look at the Hard Drive contents with a PC running WinXP, you cannot see any of this metadata, just a meaningless list of track1-1 track 1-2 etc. This means library housekeeping on the XP machine is impossible, it has to be done on the DDS which is a pain. However in Windows 8 you CAN see this data. I can see Title, Contributing Artist, and Album, all the data he has manually entered. Is there a way to enable XP to see this metadata? I notice the 2 sets of metadata seem to be different. XP has "Album Title" as one field, whereas Window 8 has "Album", so it looks like it is a different system altogether. Cheers, Gareth. |
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"Gareth Magennis" wrote in
: Hi, I have a copy of a load of WAV's from a friend who is having problems seeing the Metadata in XP. He has a Numark DDS system that he uses to rip CD tracks to WAV onto a USB Hard Drive, and he then manually enters the Album Title, Track Title and Artist data. The Hard Drive is FAT32. Now, when you look at the Hard Drive contents with a PC running WinXP, you cannot see any of this metadata, just a meaningless list of track1-1 track 1-2 etc. This means library housekeeping on the XP machine is impossible, it has to be done on the DDS which is a pain. However in Windows 8 you CAN see this data. I can see Title, Contributing Artist, and Album, all the data he has manually entered. Is there a way to enable XP to see this metadata? I notice the 2 sets of metadata seem to be different. XP has "Album Title" as one field, whereas Window 8 has "Album", so it looks like it is a different system altogether. Cheers, Gareth. Is that in Windows Explorer (file explorer) that you see the meta data in in 8 but not XP? I wonder if the md can be seen in Windows Media Player or any other player that's good at that sort of thing. With MP3 I've used a program called MP3tag but doubt that's of any help with .wav files. -- Pat email: phartzATcoxDOTnet |
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"Phantom Post" wrote in message .116... "Gareth Magennis" wrote in : Hi, I have a copy of a load of WAV's from a friend who is having problems seeing the Metadata in XP. He has a Numark DDS system that he uses to rip CD tracks to WAV onto a USB Hard Drive, and he then manually enters the Album Title, Track Title and Artist data. The Hard Drive is FAT32. Now, when you look at the Hard Drive contents with a PC running WinXP, you cannot see any of this metadata, just a meaningless list of track1-1 track 1-2 etc. This means library housekeeping on the XP machine is impossible, it has to be done on the DDS which is a pain. However in Windows 8 you CAN see this data. I can see Title, Contributing Artist, and Album, all the data he has manually entered. Is there a way to enable XP to see this metadata? I notice the 2 sets of metadata seem to be different. XP has "Album Title" as one field, whereas Window 8 has "Album", so it looks like it is a different system altogether. Cheers, Gareth. Is that in Windows Explorer (file explorer) that you see the meta data in in 8 but not XP? I wonder if the md can be seen in Windows Media Player or any other player that's good at that sort of thing. With MP3 I've used a program called MP3tag but doubt that's of any help with .wav files. -- Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. I have MP3tag, which I find works well for mp3's, but its only for mp3's, AFAIK. Cheers, Gareth. |
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Gareth Magennis wrote:
He has a Numark DDS system that he uses to rip CD tracks to WAV onto a USB Hard Drive, and he then manually enters the Album Title, Track Title and Artist data. The Hard Drive is FAT32. NTFS may or may not have unconsidered advantages. But this should work: right click on the field "name" uppermost in the relevant explorer window and select what fields to display. You'll know sooner than I whether it works to his satisfaction. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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"Gareth Magennis" wrote in
: Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. Yeah, the capabilites of File Explorer to show all that that are in Win8 were definitely not in XP. Seems that back at that time Windows Media Player was the only thing that showed/allowed editing those kinds of tags. Okay. I tested on my XP w/Media Player 11. Loaded a couple of wavs and though my wavs didn't have any meta data it allowed me to see and edit the columns. This is in the library fields of Media Player. You might have to set WMP to look in the proper folder and add your files to it's library then you should be able to see them. -- Pat email: phartzATcoxDOTnet |
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in
k: NTFS may or may not have unconsidered advantages. But this should work: right click on the field "name" uppermost in the relevant explorer window and select what fields to display. You'll know sooner than I whether it works to his satisfaction. Kind regards Peter Larsen That does look like it will work too. Good call. -- Pat email: phartzATcoxDOTnet |
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"Phantom Post" wrote in message .116... "Peter Larsen" wrote in k: NTFS may or may not have unconsidered advantages. But this should work: right click on the field "name" uppermost in the relevant explorer window and select what fields to display. You'll know sooner than I whether it works to his satisfaction. Kind regards Peter Larsen That does look like it will work too. Good call. No it does not work, this is exactly what I am saying does not work. The information is not there. Gareth. |
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"Phantom Post" wrote in message .116... "Gareth Magennis" wrote in : Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. Yeah, the capabilites of File Explorer to show all that that are in Win8 were definitely not in XP. Seems that back at that time Windows Media Player was the only thing that showed/allowed editing those kinds of tags. Okay. I tested on my XP w/Media Player 11. Loaded a couple of wavs and though my wavs didn't have any meta data it allowed me to see and edit the columns. This is in the library fields of Media Player. You might have to set WMP to look in the proper folder and add your files to it's library then you should be able to see them. OK, I have looked at Media Player in XP, and the columns in the library fields are all blank, just the filenames visible (track1, track2 etc) I think this is because the metadata are stored in Win8 format, and XP doesn't have a clue what that means. Cheers, Gareth. |
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Gareth Magennis wrote:
Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. This being Windows, the "metadata" is actually data from the standpoint of the OS... that is, it's stuff that is actually in the Broadcast WAV file. So the Explorer is opening up the files, taking some data out to identify them, and displaying it. XP's Explorer probably can't do that, in fact it probably predates the Broadcast WAV format itself. Somebody out there might have made an application to do it, though. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 03 May 2014, "Gareth Magennis"
wrote in rec.audio.pro: I think this is because the metadata are stored in Win8 format, and XP doesn't have a clue what that means. No. There is no such thing as "Win8 format" for audio file metadata. There is little standardized support for metadata within WAV files. You should consider converting your WAV files to FLAC format, which is widely supported by many players, either natively or via plugins. |
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There is little standardized support for metadata within WAV files. You should consider converting your WAV files to FLAC format, which is widely supported by many players, either natively or via plugins. But there IS a standard for this information, namely the Broadcast WAV extensions. And this standard is increasingly supported by more and more applications. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Gareth Magennis wrote:
"Phantom Post" wrote in message .116... "Gareth Magennis" wrote in : Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. Yeah, the capabilites of File Explorer to show all that that are in Win8 were definitely not in XP. Seems that back at that time Windows Media Player was the only thing that showed/allowed editing those kinds of tags. I tested it on this windows xp box before posting so it works in windows xp and the populated metadata fields from my camera are displayed. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message k... Gareth Magennis wrote: "Phantom Post" wrote in message .116... "Gareth Magennis" wrote in : Yes, that is using File Explorer in Win8. It seems that Win 8 has a different set of metadata fields you can display than the ones XP uses. I'm a bit confused as to what's really going on here. Yeah, the capabilites of File Explorer to show all that that are in Win8 were definitely not in XP. Seems that back at that time Windows Media Player was the only thing that showed/allowed editing those kinds of tags. I tested it on this windows xp box before posting so it works in windows xp and the populated metadata fields from my camera are displayed. Kind regards Peter Larsen To clarify again: I have a hard drive containing the files, an XP laptop and a Win8 laptop. On the Win8 laptop I can see "Title", "Contributing Artist" and "Album" fields, which are populated with the correct names my friend typed in on the Numark DDS hardware system. This is a stand alone system, not a PC or Mac, but obviously uses the same metadata fields that Win8 does, the drive is FAT32. On the XP laptop, a seemingly different set of fields are displayed - "Title", "Artist" and "Album Title". These are not populated with the data entered manually, and that is the specific problem here. For example, XP only has an "Artist" field, whilst Win8 has "Contributing Artists", "Album Artist", but no "Artist" . The Field "Title" does appear in both lists, but where the Win8 field does contain the manually entered track title, the XP one does not. Cheers, Gareth. |
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Gareth Magennis wrote:
So, it looks like it is the Numark Hardware that is doing something a little strange, that Win8 can sort out but XP can't. I feel better now, it annoys me when people think that the solution to all ails is to replace windows xp because the major updates since aren't, but there are some well placed refreshments. But we're still waiting for windows to recognize cd-text, aren't we? Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Sun, 4 May 2014 11:11:18 +0100 "Peter Larsen"
wrote in article I feel better now, it annoys me when people think that the solution to all ails is to replace windows xp because the major updates since aren't, but there are some well placed refreshments. But we're still waiting for windows to recognize cd-text, aren't we? Kind regards Peter Larsen Isn't CD-text proprietary? Sony maybe? |
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Jason wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2014 11:11:18 +0100 "Peter Larsen" wrote in article I feel better now, it annoys me when people think that the solution to all ails is to replace windows xp because the major updates since aren't, but there are some well placed refreshments. But we're still waiting for windows to recognize cd-text, aren't we? Kind regards Peter Larsen Isn't CD-text proprietary? No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-Text Sony maybe? Sony has been involved with CD specs since before the medium was unleashed. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Jason:
On Sun, 4 May 2014 11:11:18 +0100 "Peter Larsen" wrote: But we're still waiting for windows to recognize cd-text, aren't we? Peter Larsen Isn't CD-text proprietary? Sony maybe? It seems to be: http://www.aesla.org/index.php/recap...ata-april-2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-Text However, there is a good number of freeware programs, that can read/write CD-Text. For WMP, I´ve had good results with: http://bmproductions.fixnum.org/inde.../wmpcdtext.htm Though, it does not affect Windows Explorer´s capabilities... |
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