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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... things and got quick answers..maybe you never asked the right questions before. Christianity is based on faith..not acts. Certain types of -protestant- christainity are based on faith, not acts. jb |
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"George Gleason" wrote in message ... "reddred" wrote in message ... "Blind Joni" wrote in message ... things and got quick answers..maybe you never asked the right questions before. Christianity is based on faith..not acts. Certain types of -protestant- christainity are based on faith, not acts. so one can not hold the church accountable for the actions of its preists that line of thinking didn't fly in Boston the church is / religion is what it does not what it says Just as I am what I do not what I say of course you try to do what you say but ultimatly you are what you do george Maybe. I was just trying to clarify that the majority of Christians in the world see things differently than do faith-based American churches. jb |
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Maybe. I was just trying to clarify that the majority of Christians in the world see things differently than do faith-based American churches. Interesting, unfortunatly I do not have the experiance of seeing other than the way it was brought to me here in the states a bit of world view usually is a good thing the citizens of the USa are way to geocentric for my tastes Thanks George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 |
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just say I accept my faith and will do what I can to keep it private
I will not make laws or censor media based on my religious convictions, but rather on preventing one person from harming anothe So I shouldn't vote my conscience because someone doesn't like it..Hmmmm. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
#725
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
Christianity is based on faith..not acts.
Certain types of -protestant- christainity are based on faith, not acts. I was raised Catholic and for 18 years learned almost nothing about the Bible itself. The Bible states that faith is the determining factor..simply stated in Romans 1...as well as many other places. Just as I am what I do not what I say of course you try to do what you say but ultimatly you are what you do The other education I spoke of deals with exactly this....being your word. This is a basic responsibility in many philisophical viewpoint.."to thine own self be true" didn't mean be selfish..it meant take the responsibility to be what you say you are. There is no "trying" to do anything..you do or you don't...Try to stand up..try to sit down..you get the picture. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Maybe. I was just trying to clarify that the majority of Christians in the world see things differently than do faith-based American churches. Interesting, unfortunatly I do not have the experiance of seeing other than the way it was brought to me here in the states And these organizations over the years have caused a lot of the evil George speaks of. This is one reason for the resurgence of faith based churches here in the states. The Bible has been twisted because in many religions the everyday folk weren't allowed to interpret it for themselves. They were dictated to by elders who usually had vested interests in their own power. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... Christianity is based on faith..not acts. Certain types of -protestant- christainity are based on faith, not acts. I was raised Catholic and for 18 years learned almost nothing about the Bible itself. The Bible states that faith is the determining factor..simply stated in Romans 1...as well as many other places. Just as I am what I do not what I say of course you try to do what you say but ultimatly you are what you do The other education I spoke of deals with exactly this....being your word. This is a basic responsibility in many philisophical viewpoint.."to thine own self be true" didn't mean be selfish..it meant take the responsibility to be what you say you are. There is no "trying" to do anything..you do or you don't...Try to stand up..try to sit down..you get the picture. so is it the thought that counts? or is the road to Hell paved with good intentions? To simple to be true one can stop draught and starvation by pumping water to where it is needed, but possibly at the same time destroy the aquifer that is needed to support a much larger population nothing is all good and nothing is all evil not even slavish adherence to the word of your "god" is universially good, not even for you so the best you can do is TRY there is no sit or stand only try to sit or try to stand in the end you will be what the resultsof your trying produced(what you did) If one demands the black/white division between good and evil(sit or stand)(doing Gods work of failing to do gods work) you end up with bull**** like "with us or against us" and bombs decimating innocent children George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 |
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... just say I accept my faith and will do what I can to keep it private I will not make laws or censor media based on my religious convictions, but rather on preventing one person from harming anothe So I shouldn't vote my conscience because someone doesn't like it..Hmmmm. Not if your conscience demand limiting anothers freedom to live thier chose peaceful life be it as a drug addict or cronic masturbator, viewer of hard core porn, or as the minister of a congagation, smoke cigerettes, ride motorcycles without helmets, eat my self to a heart attack at McDs, enjoy Howard Stern, limiting reserch on stem cells,In short if your decission is based on advancing the comands of your God your decisions are subject if your decision are based on letting people run thier own peaceful lives then you are not forcing your god on me not if you vote to use my tax money to advance people to follow your faith, as in faith based initative as long as you are not dictate what is right and wrong to me , I will not do that to you I promise to not establish any demand that you follow my "god", I respect you to offer me the same choice George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 |
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so is it the thought that counts?
No, it's doing what you say. so the best you can do is TRY there is no sit or stand only try to sit or try to stand in the end you will be what the resultsof your trying produced(what you did) George, if you keep trying to frame what I say in terms you already understand this exercise is a waste of time. The point is there is a great deal in our own lives..everyone's life..that we don't even know is possible. There are things that I know..I know how to drive a car..etc. There are things that I know that I do not know..I know that I can't perform brain surgury..etc. And there are a whole world of things that I don't know that I don't know because I'm not aware of them. So when I try to define everyhting in terms of what I know I am limited by my own experience. If you really examine the "try" scenario I think you will see my point. People don't succeed by chosing to try and do somehting ...they chose to do it and then either succeed or fail. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Here is someone who succeded at doin as God commanded her:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...20040403/ap_on _re_us/children_slain George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/20/2004 |
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... Maybe. I was just trying to clarify that the majority of Christians in the world see things differently than do faith-based American churches. Interesting, unfortunatly I do not have the experiance of seeing other than the way it was brought to me here in the states And these organizations over the years have caused a lot of the evil George speaks of. This is one reason for the resurgence of faith based churches here in the states. The Bible has been twisted because in many religions the everyday folk weren't allowed to interpret it for themselves. They were dictated to by elders who usually had vested interests in their own power. That's a downside of more traditional churches. The upside is, it DOES matter what you do, it does matter whether you are full of it or whether you proceed with humility and charity. Repentance isn't enough to be saved, you are really already saved, what is necessary is pennance and service. jb |
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OT Wherever God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... Christianity is based on faith..not acts. Certain types of -protestant- christainity are based on faith, not acts. I was raised Catholic and for 18 years learned almost nothing about the Bible itself. The Bible states that faith is the determining factor..simply stated in Romans 1...as well as many other places. That's interesting... not being Roman Catholic or having gone to Catholic school, my knowledge is based on study of theology and 'catholic approved' translations of the Bible. I'm guessing you are talking about a period of time before Vatican II? jb |
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"George Gleason"
Here is someone who succeded at doin as God commanded her: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...20040403/ap_on _re_us/children_slain That you would equate this mentally ill woman who killed her kids to followers of your former Catholic Faith as if they are morally equivalent is really really pathetic George. Sometimes I wonder if you are even sober half the time. Blaming God/religion for the evil of man, dead or alive, is as disingenous for you to do as for her. And even if she heard voices telling her to do that, that doesn't excuse evil acts that you know are wrong, no matter who your dead Uncle Fester is claiming to be, God, Jesus, Moses, whomever... Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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, George wrote: In article , ospam (WillStG) wrote: "George Gleason" Here is someone who succeded at doin as God commanded her: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...20040403/ap_on _re_us/children_slain That you would equate this mentally ill woman who killed her kids to followers of your former Catholic Faith as if they are morally equivalent is really really pathetic George. Sometimes I wonder if you are even sober half the time. Blaming God/religion for the evil of man, dead or alive, is as disingenous for you to do as for her. And even if she heard voices telling her to do that, that doesn't excuse evil acts that you know are wrong, no matter who your dead Uncle Fester is claiming to be, God, Jesus, Moses, whomever... The fact is , if there was no belief in the god myth these children would still be alive George |
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ospam (WillStG) wrote: George The fact is , if there was no belief in the god myth these children would still be alive Bull****. The woman is mentally ill, and mental health professionals and the jury agreed that was the case. To blame religion for her crimes is as ridiculous as blaming atheists like you for David Berkowitz "The Son of Sam" murdering because he said a dog told him to. Sick people are influenced easily and suggestable sure, but religion teaches people killing your kids is wrong George, IN CASE YOU NEVER NOTICED while you were a Catholic. you seem to thing I said the christian God told her she is confused as anyone that claims to be doing the work of God fortunatly some people imagine God commands them to feed the hungry while others serve god with slaughter ie this woman and our president |
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ospam (WillStG) wrote: George you seem to thing I said the christian God told her she is confused as anyone that claims to be doing the work of God If you equate what she did with religion you're the one who is confused George. Sit down before you fall down. all I point out was a delusion mind following the word of god, like any mind that follows the word of a made up entity just the god that she heard commanded her to kill the gist is GOD is ALWAYS a figment of mans imagination and anyone that bases thier lives on worshipping a figment of thier imagination is not very far removed from insanity George |
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