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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even 45 rpm use
It's not easy to find a 78 rpm compatible stereo these days. The only
two models I have found are the Thorens TD-170 and TD-190 turntables. Their website is completely uninformative and there are no ePinions.com reviews that are any help either. Is there any compelling reasong to choose one over the other? I'm not sure if this is a high end audio question exactly but I am looking to get a turntable for my stereo. It's not a high-end system that I have but it has Bose speakers and a Kenwood amplifier from back in the days when phono inputs were still included on the amps. I'm looking to listen to and dub some 78 records I inherited from my dad onto mini-disc and also to listen to and collect a few LPs and 45s that aren't available on CD. Any advice or wisdom from experience is welcome. Thanks, Bob Johnston |
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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even
Nimrod wrote:
It's not easy to find a 78 rpm compatible stereo these days. The only two models I have found are the Thorens TD-170 and TD-190 turntables. Their website is completely uninformative and there are no ePinions.com reviews that are any help either. Is there any compelling reasong to choose one over the other? I'm not sure if this is a high end audio question exactly but I am looking to get a turntable for my stereo. It's not a high-end system that I have but it has Bose speakers and a Kenwood amplifier from back in the days when phono inputs were still included on the amps. For a system like that, I'd get a nice condition used Thorens or Dual turntable that has a 78RPM mode. Get a 78rpm specific cartridge for it and use it for only 78s. The other records - get a nicer, more modern turntable. |
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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even 45 rpm use
Bob, as a side note, you may well already know this but 78rpm records have many
different eq curves and run and many different speeds depending on where and when they were made. Just thought I'd mention this if you are planning on doing transfers. P h i l i p ______________________________ "I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa" - Dorothy Parker |
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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even 45 rpm use
I had heard that but I don't know much about it yet. I suppose the
hobby could get a little involved after a while. One complaint I heard about the Thorens while doing a google search was that while playing some 78s the tone arm picks up prematurely. I guess the physical width of the tracking area vaires too. On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:06:27 GMT, (Fill X) wrote: Bob, as a side note, you may well already know this but 78rpm records have many different eq curves and run and many different speeds depending on where and when they were made. Just thought I'd mention this if you are planning on doing transfers. P h i l i p ______________________________ "I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa" - Dorothy Parker |
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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even 45 rpm use
It depends on the age of these old records. If they're all from I believe
1930 or later, playing them at 78 rpm would do fine. Although I believe the were actually recorded at 78,25 rpm. If you have older material, from the era of acoustic recording, these differences become bigger. On acoustic recordings the speed can vary from 72 to 80 rpm. And of course there's the difference between vertically and laterally cut recordings. What the exact difference is, I don't know. Also some records have to be played from the center to the edge (like a cd), instead of the usual from edge to center. More info about this subject can be found on www.esotericsound.com. They also carry a line of record players modified for playing historical recordings. Bart "Fill X" schreef in bericht news Bob, as a side note, you may well already know this but 78rpm records have many different eq curves and run and many different speeds depending on where and when they were made. Just thought I'd mention this if you are planning on doing transfers. P h i l i p ______________________________ "I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa" - Dorothy Parker |
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Thorens TD-170 vs. TD-190 for 78rpm and some 33 rpm and even 45 rpm use
It depends on the age of these old records. If they're all from I believe
1930 or later, playing them at 78 rpm would do fine. Although I believe the were actually recorded at 78,25 rpm. 78.49 was a common one too. I think we were into the 50's before all labels came to settle on the same standard even if many did though. There are at least 40 known eq curves. If you have older material, from the era of acoustic recording, these differences become bigger. On acoustic recordings the speed can vary from 72 to 80 rpm. right, victors were really fast, about 80 if i recall. More info about this subject can be found on www.esotericsound.com. They also carry a line of record players modified for playing historical recordings. yes, it's a good place to purchase a cheap eq box for most of the curves you run into. It's not as good as the poper preamp, but a re-eq box is a hell of a lot better than playing these records with the wrong curve. It's no wonder so many people think 78's all sound horrible. P h i l i p ______________________________ "I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa" - Dorothy Parker |