Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

cheers
Marv

islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote:
islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

440 Hz is far more pleasant on the ears while calibrating with speakers
engaged than 1KHz, even when wearing hearing protection.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

"Scott Dorsey" wrote:
islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

440 Hz is far more pleasant on the ears while calibrating with speakers
engaged than 1KHz, even when wearing hearing protection.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.

Mine only has 1kHz too, but the test CD I made for set-up, has 1kHz, 440 Hz,
white noise, pink noise etc.
Cheaper than buying a new console :-)

TonyP.

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it.

Mine only has 1kHz too, but the test CD I made for set-up, has 1kHz, 440 Hz,
white noise, pink noise etc.
Cheaper than buying a new console :-)

TonyP.

In article writes:

On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer.

Greg Mackie told me that they didn't put an oscillator on the compact
console series because he knew that people would want to know why the
two meters didn't always light up the same LED. On the original
release of the CR1604, there was a problem with the meters - one read
3 dB too high (but that was corrected early on) so maybe that was what
he was afraid of.


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In article writes:

On the small consoles, it's usually left off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer.

Greg Mackie told me that they didn't put an oscillator on the compact
console series because he knew that people would want to know why the
two meters didn't always light up the same LED. On the original
release of the CR1604, there was a problem with the meters - one read
3 dB too high (but that was corrected early on) so maybe that was what
he was afraid of.


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(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice
thing to have, come to think of it.

"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice
thing to have, come to think of it.

"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone
generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left
off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large
consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks
order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice
thing to
have, come to think of it.

There should be a complete tuning meter built in, just like the ones
you can buy for about $30. Adding it to a console would be remarkably
cheap since mikes, power supplies and packaging are already there.

Norm Strong

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone
generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

It is on too few consoles. On the small consoles, it's usually left
off
because nobody calibrates anything any longer. On the large
consoles it
is usually an optional module, and occasionally you'll see folks
order it
if they are using analogue tape. But it is FAR too often left off.

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice
thing to
have, come to think of it.

There should be a complete tuning meter built in, just like the ones
you can buy for about $30. Adding it to a console would be remarkably
cheap since mikes, power supplies and packaging are already there.

Norm Strong

On 2 Dec 2004 23:10:04 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it. snip

440 Hz is ALWAYS available, anyway, by just picking up any wired
telephone. Modern dial tone contains 440 Hz at an accuracy of 2 X
10-12 and has since the '70s, when the Bell System Reference Frequency
atomic clock in Hillsborough, MO had all analog carrier and signal
generating equipment in the entire telephone network synchronized to
it. When the conversion to digital network came about, the same clock
provided timing synchronization for everything, also. Local DT tone
sources in end office switches is also sychronized. If you tune up to
dial tone, you are ON CONCERT PITCH...something most rockers wouldn't
know if it hit them in the ass, anyway.

Another source of 440: NIST in Ft. Collins, CO, available on any of
the WWV radio frequencies and even by telephone...but it's a toll
call. Dial tone is free...or at least, is for now! Note: Don't try
sychronizing anything by cell phone. Most cell phone operators run
dirtbag networks with free running synchronization and thus, have no
traceability to a credible standard.

dB

On 2 Dec 2004 23:10:04 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

I've never seen one with a 440 tone but it would be a really nice thing to
have, come to think of it. snip

440 Hz is ALWAYS available, anyway, by just picking up any wired
telephone. Modern dial tone contains 440 Hz at an accuracy of 2 X
10-12 and has since the '70s, when the Bell System Reference Frequency
atomic clock in Hillsborough, MO had all analog carrier and signal
generating equipment in the entire telephone network synchronized to
it. When the conversion to digital network came about, the same clock
provided timing synchronization for everything, also. Local DT tone
sources in end office switches is also sychronized. If you tune up to
dial tone, you are ON CONCERT PITCH...something most rockers wouldn't
know if it hit them in the ass, anyway.

Another source of 440: NIST in Ft. Collins, CO, available on any of
the WWV radio frequencies and even by telephone...but it's a toll
call. Dial tone is free...or at least, is for now! Note: Don't try
sychronizing anything by cell phone. Most cell phone operators run
dirtbag networks with free running synchronization and thus, have no
traceability to a credible standard.

dB

Carey wrote
"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

Yuk Yuk, but I prefer to use my Peterson strobe.

Carey wrote
"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

Yuk Yuk, but I prefer to use my Peterson strobe.

On 04 Dec 2004 05:35:43 GMT, (Raymond) wrote:

Carey wrote
"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

Yuk Yuk, but I prefer to use my Peterson strobe.

My first thoughts on this were not so much for the musicians to tune
to but .... whenever VTR called down.... "send me 1 minute of Bars
and tone"... and the only tone I had was 1000 HZ every one in the
control rooms would go for their own monitor speaker volume controls
and everyone on headset would take them off since a lot of them back
then did not have volume controls Hmmm something more pleasing
more musical like a musical note... I got out the HP Variable
osilator from the shop... and plugged it into the console..dialed up
440 -. everyone liked it compared to 1000hz..

The console with the special tone module
30,70,100,200,440,1k,2k,5k,10k,15k was WBS

cheers
Marv

On 04 Dec 2004 05:35:43 GMT, (Raymond) wrote:

Carey wrote
"OK everybody, let's tune to the console..."

Yuk Yuk, but I prefer to use my Peterson strobe.

My first thoughts on this were not so much for the musicians to tune
to but .... whenever VTR called down.... "send me 1 minute of Bars
and tone"... and the only tone I had was 1000 HZ every one in the
control rooms would go for their own monitor speaker volume controls
and everyone on headset would take them off since a lot of them back
then did not have volume controls Hmmm something more pleasing
more musical like a musical note... I got out the HP Variable
osilator from the shop... and plugged it into the console..dialed up
440 -. everyone liked it compared to 1000hz..

The console with the special tone module
30,70,100,200,440,1k,2k,5k,10k,15k was WBS

cheers
Marv

islander wrote:
Several decades back I was involved in the specs for a new line of
Audio consoles that our Network was buying. The had a tone generator
module designed in with a range of frequencies. I recommended they
add 440HZ and they did.

Is this still seen in some of the newer consoles today?

The Tascam DA38s had this. (yes a deck and not a board). Very convenient.
And now you can get one for oh...about the price of a new guitar tuner.

Rob R.

DeserTBoB wrote:

Note: Don't try
sychronizing anything by cell phone. Most cell phone operators run
dirtbag networks with free running synchronization and thus, have no
traceability to a credible standard.

Unless it's a CDMA network. They all have easily recoverable stratum one clocks broadcasting 24x7x365.

e.g. Symmetricom TimeSource 2700 and others...



Oh, and of course--no dialtone on cellphones.

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:19:22 -0800, Kurt Albershardt
wrote:

Unless it's a CDMA network. They all have easily recoverable stratum one clocks broadcasting 24x7x365.snip

True...TDMA's a different story, but it's starting to go
away...finally.

Oh, and of course--no dialtone on cellphones. snip

True...but don't try sending something on TDMA and expect it to arrive
at the distant end right on frequency. We tried this a couple of
years ago, just for ****s and giggles, using two old but rock solid
Northwestern 10X2E12 counters long-term calibrated to WWV with good
TCXOs. Sure enough, 1 KHz transmitted wound up being 1012 one time,
994 another. Whether it was just free-running clocking or a mess of
errors due to traffic loading, I do not know, nor do I really care,
since i hate cell phones with a passion, anyway. But we do know the
counters were again in complete agreement after we did that test. So
obviously SOMETHING was amiss.

Seen today at the doctor's office: Big signs on wall: DO NOT USE CELL
PHONES IN HOSPITAL! Right below one, some broad was making call after
call after call, and sure enough, a duty nurse came out threatening to
throw her out. Evidently, some vitals monitors in the clinic were
going berserk for no apparent reason. When shown the sign she was
sitting directly under, her response was, "You think that applies to
ME?" I had to chime in, "Who the F___do you THINK it applies to,
biotch??"

She left.

dB

In article writes:

Seen today at the doctor's office: Big signs on wall: DO NOT USE CELL
PHONES IN HOSPITAL! Right below one, some broad was making call after
call after call, and sure enough, a duty nurse came out threatening to
throw her out. Evidently, some vitals monitors in the clinic were
going berserk for no apparent reason.

Something like that resulted in the airline policy of no CD players or
computers when flying below 10,000 feet. Some time, on some flight,
some instrument went bananas, the pilot asked a cabin attendant if
anyone was playing a CD, and when she found one, asked the passenger
to turn it off. By that time the problem went away, but the policy
remained.

It's not an FAA regulation. There is nothing in a CD player than can
interfere with navigation or communications equipment.


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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
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