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Amplifier question - very basic
"anthony.gosnell" wrote:
"Justin Ulysses Morse" wrote You're not a guitar player, are you? Output volume level has almost nothing to do with where a guitarist sets his amplifier's gain control. If you want distortion you should overload your pre-amp. You would be much better off getting a valve preamp and adding a couple of extra stages before the output valves. Anthony Gosnell While that sounds like a great thing in theory ( and essentially provided the business model for Mesa Boogie amplifiers ), it is not exactly the same thing. This is why people buy and use Fender Champs for recording. -- Les Cargill |
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anthony.gosnell wrote:
If you want distortion you should overload your pre-amp. You would be much better off getting a valve preamp and adding a couple of extra stages before the output valves. I don't like the sound of an overloaded preamp. I like the sound of power tubes distorting, output transformers saturating, and speaker coils overheating. And I like the sound of guitar strings being moved by pressure waves in the air. ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
anthony.gosnell wrote:
If you want distortion you should overload your pre-amp. You would be much better off getting a valve preamp and adding a couple of extra stages before the output valves. I don't like the sound of an overloaded preamp. I like the sound of power tubes distorting, output transformers saturating, and speaker coils overheating. And I like the sound of guitar strings being moved by pressure waves in the air. ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
In general I agree, but I know plenty of guitarists who get fabulous tone who do not agree. They like the distortion from power tubes and/or speakers being stressed and/or cabinets resonating. The ones in that group who are sensitive to SPL use ... sealed cabs to pull down SPL while givng the amp something to wrestle with. Hank, do you know some stuff about this that you would like to elaborate on? How do sealed cabinets pull down SPL? And how do they give the amp something to wrestle with? Are you talking about some complex air pressure speaker damping impedance issue I don't understand? Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
In general I agree, but I know plenty of guitarists who get fabulous tone who do not agree. They like the distortion from power tubes and/or speakers being stressed and/or cabinets resonating. The ones in that group who are sensitive to SPL use ... sealed cabs to pull down SPL while givng the amp something to wrestle with. Hank, do you know some stuff about this that you would like to elaborate on? How do sealed cabinets pull down SPL? And how do they give the amp something to wrestle with? Are you talking about some complex air pressure speaker damping impedance issue I don't understand? Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? ulysses |
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In article ,
says... writes: Right, but when you say "in series" it sounds like you're talking about taking the output of one amp and plugging it into the input of the 2nd amp. That wouldn't be cool. Mike Rivers wrote: That would be "in sequence" rather than "in series." But don't guitar players do that a lot? Makes the distortion louder and more distorted at the same time. No, guitar players don't do that. They might run effects or preamps in "sequence" (series), or run multiple input channels in parallel, but I've never heard of anybody plugging their guitar amp's speaker output into the instrument input of another guitar amp. Eddie van halen. -- / Peter Kaersaa |
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Peter Kaersaa wrote:
Eddie van halen. Oh, yeah, but that was just a little Pignose or Marshall solid-state practice amp. My dad used to do that too, now that I think about it. I can't imagine doing it with the full output of a real power amp though. ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
Peter Kaersaa wrote:
Eddie van halen. Oh, yeah, but that was just a little Pignose or Marshall solid-state practice amp. My dad used to do that too, now that I think about it. I can't imagine doing it with the full output of a real power amp though. ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
From: Justin Ulysses Morse
input channels in parallel, but I've never heard of anybody plugging their guitar amp's speaker output into the instrument input of another guitar amp. "Cascading" Old, old fuzzy memory of playing front for some "famous" (briefly) band, 196?, they used Standell amps and the lead guitar player did seem to be cascading, resulting in a super-distorted sound. As I remember, *he* and the rest of the band were pretty distorted, too. Lonnie Mack, per report, used to do something with two Bandmasters and a little Magnatone, didn't get to actually see that setup. "Very loud" according to witnesses. --TP |
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Amplifier question - very basic
From: Justin Ulysses Morse
input channels in parallel, but I've never heard of anybody plugging their guitar amp's speaker output into the instrument input of another guitar amp. "Cascading" Old, old fuzzy memory of playing front for some "famous" (briefly) band, 196?, they used Standell amps and the lead guitar player did seem to be cascading, resulting in a super-distorted sound. As I remember, *he* and the rest of the band were pretty distorted, too. Lonnie Mack, per report, used to do something with two Bandmasters and a little Magnatone, didn't get to actually see that setup. "Very loud" according to witnesses. --TP |
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Amplifier question - very basic
Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
LeBaron & Alrich wrote: In general I agree, but I know plenty of guitarists who get fabulous tone who do not agree. They like the distortion from power tubes and/or speakers being stressed and/or cabinets resonating. The ones in that group who are sensitive to SPL use ... sealed cabs to pull down SPL while givng the amp something to wrestle with. Hank, do you know some stuff about this that you would like to elaborate on? How do sealed cabinets pull down SPL? And how do they give the amp something to wrestle with? Are you talking about some complex air pressure speaker damping impedance issue I don't understand? "Infinite baffle" or sealed cabinets are less efficient than ported, open back or otherwise vented cabinets. So back in the AWHQ daze I used Strat Alembic F2B McIntosh MC75 tuber sealed marine plywood version of a 2 x 12" Bassman cab. I could drive the amp at a higher level without getting SPL I didn't want compared to using an open back or ported version of the same style of cabinet, all of which we had lying around the studio. Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? Right, the infinte baffle thing keeps the notes looking for a home they will never find in this lifetime. Sad, really. -- ha |
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Amplifier question - very basic
Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
LeBaron & Alrich wrote: In general I agree, but I know plenty of guitarists who get fabulous tone who do not agree. They like the distortion from power tubes and/or speakers being stressed and/or cabinets resonating. The ones in that group who are sensitive to SPL use ... sealed cabs to pull down SPL while givng the amp something to wrestle with. Hank, do you know some stuff about this that you would like to elaborate on? How do sealed cabinets pull down SPL? And how do they give the amp something to wrestle with? Are you talking about some complex air pressure speaker damping impedance issue I don't understand? "Infinite baffle" or sealed cabinets are less efficient than ported, open back or otherwise vented cabinets. So back in the AWHQ daze I used Strat Alembic F2B McIntosh MC75 tuber sealed marine plywood version of a 2 x 12" Bassman cab. I could drive the amp at a higher level without getting SPL I didn't want compared to using an open back or ported version of the same style of cabinet, all of which we had lying around the studio. Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? Right, the infinte baffle thing keeps the notes looking for a home they will never find in this lifetime. Sad, really. -- ha |
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Amplifier question - very basic
"Free-form guitar" from Chicago's first album. Something like a Bogen
Challenger into another amp. Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: Right, but when you say "in series" it sounds like you're talking about taking the output of one amp and plugging it into the input of the 2nd amp. That wouldn't be cool. That would be "in sequence" rather than "in series." But don't guitar players do that a lot? Makes the distortion louder and more distorted at the same time. -- I'm really Mike Rivers - ) |
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Amplifier question - very basic
"Free-form guitar" from Chicago's first album. Something like a Bogen
Challenger into another amp. Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: Right, but when you say "in series" it sounds like you're talking about taking the output of one amp and plugging it into the input of the 2nd amp. That wouldn't be cool. That would be "in sequence" rather than "in series." But don't guitar players do that a lot? Makes the distortion louder and more distorted at the same time. -- I'm really Mike Rivers - ) |
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Amplifier question - very basic
LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
"Infinite baffle" or sealed cabinets are less efficient than ported, open back or otherwise vented cabinets. So back in the AWHQ daze I used Strat Alembic F2B McIntosh MC75 tuber sealed marine plywood version of a 2 x 12" Bassman cab. I could drive the amp at a higher level without getting SPL I didn't want compared to using an open back or ported version of the same style of cabinet, all of which we had lying around the studio. Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? Right, the infinte baffle thing keeps the notes looking for a home they will never find in this lifetime. Sad, really. Thanks for the explanation, Hank. But since the difference between a sealed-back cabinet and an open-back cabinet is probably comparable to the difference between a lot of amps on "4" and "6" didn't this compromise your tone just as much as simply turning the amp down? Unless the sealed-cab sound happens to be what you were after anyway. If it's not, then I don't see this solution being too helpful. I haven't really decided yet whether I prefer open or closed guitar cabinets (or poorly-closed Bassman cabs), but I like my sealed Ampex 4x10 bass cabinet a hell of a lot better than my old ported 2x10 cabinet that was otherwise almost identical. ulysses |
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Amplifier question - very basic
LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
"Infinite baffle" or sealed cabinets are less efficient than ported, open back or otherwise vented cabinets. So back in the AWHQ daze I used Strat Alembic F2B McIntosh MC75 tuber sealed marine plywood version of a 2 x 12" Bassman cab. I could drive the amp at a higher level without getting SPL I didn't want compared to using an open back or ported version of the same style of cabinet, all of which we had lying around the studio. Or do you just mean that the notes don't slip out the back door and into a nearby microphone? Right, the infinte baffle thing keeps the notes looking for a home they will never find in this lifetime. Sad, really. Thanks for the explanation, Hank. But since the difference between a sealed-back cabinet and an open-back cabinet is probably comparable to the difference between a lot of amps on "4" and "6" didn't this compromise your tone just as much as simply turning the amp down? Unless the sealed-cab sound happens to be what you were after anyway. If it's not, then I don't see this solution being too helpful. I haven't really decided yet whether I prefer open or closed guitar cabinets (or poorly-closed Bassman cabs), but I like my sealed Ampex 4x10 bass cabinet a hell of a lot better than my old ported 2x10 cabinet that was otherwise almost identical. ulysses |
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