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I'm using two consdensor mics with pop screens and compressors to
record dialog for a podcast, and some guests don't want to get too
close to the mic. So when I crank the gain the guest mic picks up bleed
from the host in an echo-y room. I can't separate the two persons
because the videographer wants them sitting close (face-to-face), and I
tried a noise gate with no success.

Would a lav solve my problem? If so, any recommendations for a cardiod
wired lav for $200 street? Will a lav in that price range get a warm,
clean sound? I like the condensors because it's warm and clean (and I
don't have to buy anything) if the speaker speaks closely. Should I be
diligent or get a lav?

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I'm using two consdensor mics with pop screens and compressors to
record dialog for a podcast, and some guests don't want to get too
close to the mic. So when I crank the gain the guest mic picks up bleed
from the host in an echo-y room. I can't separate the two persons
because the videographer wants them sitting close (face-to-face), and I
tried a noise gate with no success.


So use a more directional microphone. Note that if you do this, the guests
need to be a lot more careful about staying on-mike.

Would a lav solve my problem? If so, any recommendations for a cardiod
wired lav for $200 street? Will a lav in that price range get a warm,
clean sound? I like the condensors because it's warm and clean (and I
don't have to buy anything) if the speaker speaks closely. Should I be
diligent or get a lav?


No, for the most part the lav mike will make the problem worse, because
it's placed under the chin and has a very wide pattern. It looks great
on-camera, though, compared with a desk mike.
--scott
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I'm using two consdensor mics with pop screens and compressors to
record dialog for a podcast, and some guests don't want to get too
close to the mic. So when I crank the gain the guest mic picks up bleed
from the host in an echo-y room. I can't separate the two persons
because the videographer wants them sitting close (face-to-face), and I
tried a noise gate with no success.




I've had good luck keying the other mic from the opposite mic. In
other words, the gate isn't set to respond to the input's sound level
but rather when the other mic is spoken into it gets pushed down.
I've found that pushing it just enough to avoid roominess or echoiness
in the summing of them, and no more, can yield pretty acceptable
results.


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I'm using two consdensor mics with pop screens and compressors to
record dialog for a podcast, and some guests don't want to get too
close to the mic. So when I crank the gain the guest mic picks up bleed
from the host in an echo-y room. I can't separate the two persons
because the videographer wants them sitting close (face-to-face), and I
tried a noise gate with no success.


Put their mics in their headphones loud. That helps with people who
actually listen, they will back off if the are speaking too loud and
move in if they are quieter, somewhat naturally if they are good.

But learning to balance two mics in a room and not have it sound
hollow will pay off in music recording. Just not as well financially
as recording voices.... g You have to watch your gain very closely,
use eq very judiciously, and add compression last and very carefully.
Even a db or two of gain or eq can be the difference between sounds
good and sounds bad.

Would a lav solve my problem? If so, any recommendations for a cardiod
wired lav for $200 street? Will a lav in that price range get a warm,
clean sound? I like the condensors because it's warm and clean (and I
don't have to buy anything) if the speaker speaks closely. Should I be
diligent or get a lav?


You'll have to deal with the same kind of problems I think. But
even omni pattern mics can work great, IF you get the rest right.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News Channel/M-AES
"The large print giveth and small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

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