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Jupiter Audio products
Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone
says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? |
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Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. |
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Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. Did you tell him he could have saved $15,800 if he'd just bought a couple of pairs of drivers from Madisound and had them do all the design work, as you did? TIA. Dev, anytime you, your gay family memebers, or the effete, lily-livered pansy ass regulars on this group want to team up and build a speaker, then do it. It ain't never gonna happen. |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. Did you tell him he could have saved $15,800 if he'd just bought a couple of pairs of drivers from Madisound and had them do all the design work, as you did? TIA. Dev, anytime you, your gay family memebers, or the effete, lily-livered pansy ass regulars on this group want to team up and build a speaker, then do it. It ain't never gonna happen. |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:35:58 GMT, trotsky wrote: Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. He probably didn't want to hurt your feeling*, Gerg. 63s sounding like a million bucks over here in Merry Olde. Whatever would you do with that kind of cash. Guess who's drunk again! |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:35:58 GMT, trotsky wrote: Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. He probably didn't want to hurt your feeling*, Gerg. 63s sounding like a million bucks over here in Merry Olde. Whatever would you do with that kind of cash. Guess who's drunk again! |
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In article z,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp That reminds me: Greg, are your speakers time-aligned? Stephen |
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In article z,
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp That reminds me: Greg, are your speakers time-aligned? Stephen |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz...
On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? |
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The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz...
On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? I have heard rumors that they present an ignition hazard. Something flammable inside the speaker. Supposedly, they are a remarkable feat of engineering. The inventor, with no prior experience, designed them on a Hooters napkin on a rainy afternoon. He then verified with his own ears that they are the best speakers ever made. When he gave the design to his builder, the pattern on the napkin was incorporated. This accounts for the strange bulge at the back. |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? I have heard rumors that they present an ignition hazard. Something flammable inside the speaker. Supposedly, they are a remarkable feat of engineering. The inventor, with no prior experience, designed them on a Hooters napkin on a rainy afternoon. He then verified with his own ears that they are the best speakers ever made. When he gave the design to his builder, the pattern on the napkin was incorporated. This accounts for the strange bulge at the back. |
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On 28 Oct 2003 18:49:46 -0800, (Bill McCullough)
wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Add a tanker ship full of snake oil, and you're right on target. |
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"The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" wrote in message news:lj7upvsn0c0fa313d0vbqlcmehpve1t8g8@rdmzrnewst xt.nz... On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:35:27 GMT, MiNE 109 wrote: In article z, The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp That reminds me: Greg, are your speakers time-aligned? I think they're very expertly TV aligned. They are much-maligned. |
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"The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra" wrote in message news:lj7upvsn0c0fa313d0vbqlcmehpve1t8g8@rdmzrnewst xt.nz... On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:35:27 GMT, MiNE 109 wrote: In article z, The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp That reminds me: Greg, are your speakers time-aligned? I think they're very expertly TV aligned. They are much-maligned. |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message
om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Ironically, this is the same guy who has for years, been incessantly flaming people who gave any credibility to technological approaches to audio. You know, people who give any credibility to measurements and the like. The means by which this crossover was designed by Madisound is 100% based on measurements! Madisound measured the on-axis frequency response and impedance curve of the drivers, plugged it into a computer program, and out came component values. Nothing wrong with this procedure, as far as it goes. However it does not include things like the acoustical effects of the enclosure and the off-axis response of the speaker drivers. It is also true that while measurements can pick up some of the grosser inadequacies of a loudspeaker's performance, the finest results are still obtained by a highly experienced listener who tweaks the preliminary design. This involves making small but well-informed adjustments to crossover parts values and changing the design of the enclosure. |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message
om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Ironically, this is the same guy who has for years, been incessantly flaming people who gave any credibility to technological approaches to audio. You know, people who give any credibility to measurements and the like. The means by which this crossover was designed by Madisound is 100% based on measurements! Madisound measured the on-axis frequency response and impedance curve of the drivers, plugged it into a computer program, and out came component values. Nothing wrong with this procedure, as far as it goes. However it does not include things like the acoustical effects of the enclosure and the off-axis response of the speaker drivers. It is also true that while measurements can pick up some of the grosser inadequacies of a loudspeaker's performance, the finest results are still obtained by a highly experienced listener who tweaks the preliminary design. This involves making small but well-informed adjustments to crossover parts values and changing the design of the enclosure. |
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Bill McCullough wrote:
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers - sell them for reasonable markups. |
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Bill McCullough wrote:
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers - sell them for reasonable markups. |
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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing Agreed. - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. |
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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing Agreed. - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. |
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Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. |
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Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. |
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Robert Morein wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? I have heard rumors that they present an ignition hazard. Something flammable inside the speaker. Supposedly, they are a remarkable feat of engineering. The inventor, with no prior experience, designed them on a Hooters napkin on a rainy afternoon. He then verified with his own ears that they are the best speakers ever made. When he gave the design to his builder, the pattern on the napkin was incorporated. This accounts for the strange bulge at the back. How's your pancreas doin', Bob? |
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Robert Morein wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? I have heard rumors that they present an ignition hazard. Something flammable inside the speaker. Supposedly, they are a remarkable feat of engineering. The inventor, with no prior experience, designed them on a Hooters napkin on a rainy afternoon. He then verified with his own ears that they are the best speakers ever made. When he gave the design to his builder, the pattern on the napkin was incorporated. This accounts for the strange bulge at the back. How's your pancreas doin', Bob? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? I believe in the benefits of division of labor, and I recognize superior expertise when I see it. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? I believe in the benefits of division of labor, and I recognize superior expertise when I see it. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message ink.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing Agreed. - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message ink.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - do real research and testing Agreed. - pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message e.com So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. Better than what, Arny? You have no idea how the speakers sound. With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? I believe in the benefits of division of labor, and I recognize superior expertise when I see it. Are we talking about your wife again? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message e.com So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. Better than what, Arny? You have no idea how the speakers sound. With your imagined metalurgy (sic) skills, you might be able to build your own drivers--what's your excuse this time? I believe in the benefits of division of labor, and I recognize superior expertise when I see it. Are we talking about your wife again? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. Actually, I carefully edited any specific references to you out of my post, Singh. Why you wanted to butt back into this particular discussion escapes me, as you're getting your butt kicked again. Your alleged superior debating skills have nothing to do with it, as if they actually existed. you're on the weak side of the argument. This is an argument that not even Clarence Darrow could win. BTW, you do know that he did win the "Monkey Trial", don't you? If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. Better than what, Arny? You have no idea how the speakers sound. Which speakers mght that be? I can find out how speakers from many other sources sound for free - no cost, no shipping, no obligation. Since you brought up editing posts Singh, let's talk about the part of my initial post that YOU edited out: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message "Ironically, this is the same guy who has for years, been incessantly flaming people who gave any credibility to technological approaches to audio. You know, people who give any credibility to measurements and the like. "The means by which this crossover was designed by Madisound is 100% based on measurements! "Madisound measured the on-axis frequency response and impedance curve of the drivers, plugged it into a computer program, and out came component values. Nothing wrong with this procedure, as far as it goes. However it does not include things like the acoustical effects of the enclosure and the off-axis response of the speaker drivers. "It is also true that while measurements can pick up some of the grosser inadequacies of a loudspeaker's performance, the finest results are still obtained by a highly experienced listener who tweaks the preliminary design. This involves making small but well-informed adjustments to crossover parts values and changing the design of the enclosure. So why aren't you defending yourself, Singh? You're replying and copying parts of my posts, but not this part. Does the truth hurt? Don't you have a snappy reply? Can I expect you to pull a Yustabe and go totally ballistic and start ranting about "Krooglish"? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Bingo! Nice to see you've gone back to the realm of the trolls where you belong, Arny. Actually, I carefully edited any specific references to you out of my post, Singh. Why you wanted to butt back into this particular discussion escapes me, as you're getting your butt kicked again. Your alleged superior debating skills have nothing to do with it, as if they actually existed. you're on the weak side of the argument. This is an argument that not even Clarence Darrow could win. BTW, you do know that he did win the "Monkey Trial", don't you? If it's so easy, why haven't you done it? Because I want something better than that, and it's readily available from many other sources. Better than what, Arny? You have no idea how the speakers sound. Which speakers mght that be? I can find out how speakers from many other sources sound for free - no cost, no shipping, no obligation. Since you brought up editing posts Singh, let's talk about the part of my initial post that YOU edited out: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message "Ironically, this is the same guy who has for years, been incessantly flaming people who gave any credibility to technological approaches to audio. You know, people who give any credibility to measurements and the like. "The means by which this crossover was designed by Madisound is 100% based on measurements! "Madisound measured the on-axis frequency response and impedance curve of the drivers, plugged it into a computer program, and out came component values. Nothing wrong with this procedure, as far as it goes. However it does not include things like the acoustical effects of the enclosure and the off-axis response of the speaker drivers. "It is also true that while measurements can pick up some of the grosser inadequacies of a loudspeaker's performance, the finest results are still obtained by a highly experienced listener who tweaks the preliminary design. This involves making small but well-informed adjustments to crossover parts values and changing the design of the enclosure. So why aren't you defending yourself, Singh? You're replying and copying parts of my posts, but not this part. Does the truth hurt? Don't you have a snappy reply? Can I expect you to pull a Yustabe and go totally ballistic and start ranting about "Krooglish"? |
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"dave weil" wrote in message
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - (1) do real research and testing Agreed. - (2) pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - (3) sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. You obviously can't count Weil, because my first statement has nothing to do with driver costs. If you were going to intelligently make this sort of comment, you'd address it to my second and third statements. Your post proves only that you can't count to three. Please come back when you obtain that skill. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I don't know what sort of volumes Bugtussel is moving. Bugtussel has one very strong advantage over Jupiter - a seasoned, technically-sophisticated chief designer who still remembers what he learned in his science classes, and aggressively built on a solid technical education over a period of years. Did I mention that the last time we worked together we did a demonstration of PCABX? |
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"dave weil" wrote in message
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - (1) do real research and testing Agreed. - (2) pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - (3) sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. You obviously can't count Weil, because my first statement has nothing to do with driver costs. If you were going to intelligently make this sort of comment, you'd address it to my second and third statements. Your post proves only that you can't count to three. Please come back when you obtain that skill. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I don't know what sort of volumes Bugtussel is moving. Bugtussel has one very strong advantage over Jupiter - a seasoned, technically-sophisticated chief designer who still remembers what he learned in his science classes, and aggressively built on a solid technical education over a period of years. Did I mention that the last time we worked together we did a demonstration of PCABX? |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:37:55 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - (1) do real research and testing Agreed. - (2) pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - (3) sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. You obviously can't count Weil, because my first statement has nothing to do with driver costs. Sorry, you are correct. I meant your second statement. I maintain that I *can* count however. If anything, I am guilty of skimming. If you were going to intelligently make this sort of comment, you'd address it to my second and third statements. Your post proves only that you can't count to three. Please come back when you obtain that skill. Well, now that I've acknowledged my mistake (and I was able to do it without your level of spleen and spite), you can accept that your demand is now met. Of course, I'm pretty sure that you knew that anyway. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I don't know what sort of volumes Bugtussel is moving. Bugtussel has one very strong advantage over Jupiter - a seasoned, technically-sophisticated chief designer who still remembers what he learned in his science classes, and aggressively built on a solid technical education over a period of years. Did I mention that the last time we worked together we did a demonstration of PCABX? Well then, if you're going to imply that they are paying *more* for their drivers than your hypothetical example, how much more do the drivers have to be for you to still claim that their markups aren't excessive vis a vis the Jupiters? Keep in mind that they have an almost $2000 two-way speaker. |
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