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relay is the least of your worries.

This occurs mostly in older amps such as crest and BGW. In fact if you
short a side of finals in a crest 8001 you automatically replace the
relay. Again part of "correct" repair procedures. Many modern pro amps
also have switching power supplies, they have no speaker relays, it
just drops the power supply.

Chad


seems like they would have protected that relay with a $0.01 fuse.


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It seems the only good thing left in this thread is Scott Gardner's one
liners. Keep it coming.

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Vivek Kapoor wrote:
It seems the only good thing left in this thread is Scott Gardner's
one liners. Keep it coming.


ROFLMAO ... thanks for the heads up, and here I was just reading the replies
:-)

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So............ after all those replies, still no help in my situation at
all.... Is my amp fuct? is it repairable? how much am I looking at? I am an
engineer, would it be easy enough to pin point the problem??

"Daniel Snooks" wrote in message
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Vivek Kapoor wrote:
It seems the only good thing left in this thread is Scott Gardner's
one liners. Keep it coming.


ROFLMAO ... thanks for the heads up, and here I was just reading the
replies :-)

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"scott johnson" (net) wrote in message
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relay is the least of your worries.

This occurs mostly in older amps such as crest and BGW. In fact if you
short a side of finals in a crest 8001 you automatically replace the
relay. Again part of "correct" repair procedures. Many modern pro amps
also have switching power supplies, they have no speaker relays, it
just drops the power supply.

Chad


seems like they would have protected that relay with a $0.01 fuse.


Fuses suck in audio. If you get it so it doesn't blow then you blow
drivers. the other way around and you are always blowing fuses. Even time
delay fuses cannot interact with different music transients or an engineer
that squeezes the snot out of everything.

In that world your paycheck depends on reliability, fuses just make that
reliability go down or simply add a little more resistance to the wire

Chad




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a spark is electricity..duh

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bob wald
 
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didnt say anythng inside might arc but like on your battery might
corrode like the connections.
over alot of use.

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no1 can tell you if your amp is repairable off the internet without the
value of the amp and the repair costs and pics of the rest of the
insides to see if theres lots of wear.might break alot more.
i said earlier ''JUST FIX IT n sell it''
you love money too much.i'd guess its a amp you got cheap 2nd hand 1yr
ago.which if it is .
osta levesta baby tho it away....buy a new 1 $200 or less.tighty
whitey.i never typed so much over a piece of xxxx amp !

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look fuses mean nothing...if parts just break or wear out..geezzzz

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"bob wald" wrote in message
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a spark is electricity..duh


A spark is the ionization of the air as the electricity passes through it
causing superheating. A spark is not electricity rather a byproduct of it's
means of transfer.

Chad




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"bob wald" wrote in message
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didnt say anythng inside might arc but like on your battery might
corrode like the connections.
over alot of use.


Why would this cause an amp to fail?


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"bob wald" wrote in message
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look fuses mean nothing...if parts just break or wear out..geezzzz


The queen of quoting strikes again.


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"bob wald" wrote in message
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no1 can tell you if your amp is repairable off the internet without the
value of the amp and the repair costs and pics of the rest of the
insides to see if theres lots of wear.


Cleo,

Can I please send you some pics of transistors and have you tell me if they
are blown? How bout a whole rail of transistors so you can point out the
blown ones? I would gladly pay you if you are accurate as this would save
me a bunch of time.

might break alot more.
i said earlier ''JUST FIX IT n sell it''
you love money too much.i'd guess its a amp you got cheap 2nd hand 1yr
ago.which if it is .
osta levesta baby tho it away....buy a new 1 $200 or less.tighty
whitey.i never typed so much over a piece of xxxx amp !


The wal-mart mentality folks.


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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:49:05 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

So............ after all those replies, still no help in my situation at
all.... Is my amp fuct? is it repairable? how much am I looking at? I am an
engineer, would it be easy enough to pin point the problem??



I posted this yesterday, but it might have gotten lost in all the
noise. I dont think there's much else to say on the subject:

"Well, you've exhausted all of the easy/obvious stuff, so it's
probably time to take it to a shop if you'd like to keep the amp.
Expect them to charge you $50-75 to diagnose it, but they'll usually
deduct that amount off of your bill if you have it fixed.

I'm not familiar with that particular amp, other than having read the
spec sheet and the owner's manual, but Audiobahn is a pretty
well-respected brand. I'd at least have it checked out. If it's
going to be less than $100 to have it fixed, I'd have it fixed if it
were my amp.

Of course, if you've been looking to upgrade to a different amp, this
might be the perfect opportunity."


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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:49:05 +0100, "Christopher O'Callaghan"
wrote:

So............ after all those replies, still no help in my situation at
all.... Is my amp fuct? is it repairable? how much am I looking at? I am
an
engineer, would it be easy enough to pin point the problem??



I posted this yesterday, but it might have gotten lost in all the
noise. I dont think there's much else to say on the subject:

"Well, you've exhausted all of the easy/obvious stuff, so it's
probably time to take it to a shop if you'd like to keep the amp.
Expect them to charge you $50-75 to diagnose it, but they'll usually
deduct that amount off of your bill if you have it fixed.

I'm not familiar with that particular amp, other than having read the
spec sheet and the owner's manual, but Audiobahn is a pretty
well-respected brand. I'd at least have it checked out. If it's
going to be less than $100 to have it fixed, I'd have it fixed if it
were my amp.

Of course, if you've been looking to upgrade to a different amp, this
might be the perfect opportunity."


--
Scott Gardner

"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to
create him." (Arthur C. Clarke)


I used to charge 50 bucks when it hit the door coming in. After that it was
35 bucks an hour plus parts. Nearly all amps went out for between 50 and
100 dollars unless it was a full rebuild on a larger amp.

I did this to keep my chops up after retiring from pro audio repair, your
prices may be higher depending on your area. I was a little lower in price
than my competition on average, some were cheaper but they were hacks.

The amp probably has 2 fuses in parallel, some do this now so standard blade
automotive fuses can be used. If the channel has shorted transistors then
it will throw the whole amp into protect by shutting down the power supply,
I doubt highly it has dual power supplies. I would suspect something quite
simple, probably lower in cost.

Chad




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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Shouldn't you be
posting on CAF instead?

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, bob wald wrote:

no1 can tell you if your amp is repairable off the internet without the
value of the amp and the repair costs and pics of the rest of the
insides to see if theres lots of wear.might break alot more.
i said earlier ''JUST FIX IT n sell it''
you love money too much.i'd guess its a amp you got cheap 2nd hand 1yr
ago.which if it is .
osta levesta baby tho it away....buy a new 1 $200 or less.tighty
whitey.i never typed so much over a piece of xxxx amp !


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look tell any1 wanting to fix your amp. i'll pay you $55 plus parts max.
or you get 0 plus 0.n i find a new amp. usually they cave in. i NEVER
ask how much to fix a amp. i'm paying ill tell you how much ill pay. you
work for ME.

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bob wald wrote:
look tell any1 wanting to fix your amp. i'll pay you $55 plus parts
max. or you get 0 plus 0.n i find a new amp. usually they cave in. i
NEVER ask how much to fix a amp. i'm paying ill tell you how much ill
pay. you work for ME.


Somehow I doubt he would work for you ...

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look tell any1 wanting to fix your amp. i'll pay you $55 plus parts max.
or you get 0 plus 0.n i find a new amp. usually they cave in.


You really shouldn't take advantage of the high school kids at vocational
high schools like that...
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:24:19 GMT, MZ wrote:

look tell any1 wanting to fix your amp. i'll pay you $55 plus parts max.
or you get 0 plus 0.n i find a new amp. usually they cave in.


You really shouldn't take advantage of the high school kids at vocational
high schools like that...


If I ever got an ultimatum like that ($55 plus parts, max), you can
bet your ass I wouldn't spend a bunch of time troubleshooting it down
to the individual failed component. I'd rip out the entire section
that has the bad part and replace it with a new one. After all, if
he's willing to pay a fair price for the parts, but not for my labor,
then by God, it's parts he'll get!


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"There is a wicked pretense that one has been informed. But no such thing has truly occurred! A mere slogan, an empty litany. No arguments are heard, no evidence is weighed. It isn't news at all, only a source of amusement for idlers." (Gibson-Sterling, The Difference Engine)



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For some odd reason i picture it as the high school kids taking advantage of
him like that....


"MZ" wrote in message
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look tell any1 wanting to fix your amp. i'll pay you $55 plus parts max.
or you get 0 plus 0.n i find a new amp. usually they cave in.


You really shouldn't take advantage of the high school kids at vocational
high schools like that...



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$55 labor is a good 2hour work for 1 person.if ya not smart enough to
fix 1 or 2 burnt resistors in 2hours if you say no i'm not losing much.
als if they give m alot of lip say ok il pay more just show me you poof
of training you did usually people making over $15 an hour have a degree
or something. oh and if i look at it and it looks fake ill tell you.
remember i'm the boss.

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"bob wald" wrote in message
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$55 labor is a good 2hour work for 1 person.if ya not smart enough to
fix 1 or 2 burnt resistors in 2hours if you say no i'm not losing much.
als if they give m alot of lip say ok il pay more just show me you poof
of training you did usually people making over $15 an hour have a degree
or something. oh and if i look at it and it looks fake ill tell you.
remember i'm the boss.


You have a lot to learn about the repair industry.

I do have an engineering degree..

Your lip and amplifier wouldn't make it past the front door.

I only worked on quality equipment that was worth fixing.

You evidently have no idea what this is.

Chad


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ok...youre the exspection. but like i told this one kid telling me how
much he charges to install something.i told him nothings 100%.lol
i paid him 20% lower in the end.
remember i'm the boss. think i might get a tshirt made up to wear with
stereo brands on it saying.''i'm the boss!'' lol

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ok...youre the exspection. but like i told this one kid telling me how
much he charges to install something.i told him nothings 100%.lol
i paid him 20% lower in the end.
remember i'm the boss. think i might get a tshirt made up to wear with
stereo brands on it saying.''i'm the boss!'' lol


If you were the boss, how is it that your "employee" can tell you to get
the hell out of his shop? You're not his boss; you and he have entered
into a mutually beneficial arrangement, and either one of you can say
"nevermind" if the terms aren't right.

You've got a lot to learn about the world. These things will come to you
as you get older.


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"bob wald" wrote in message
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ok...youre the exspection. but like i told this one kid telling me how
much he charges to install something.i told him nothings 100%.lol
i paid him 20% lower in the end.
remember i'm the boss. think i might get a tshirt made up to wear with
stereo brands on it saying.''i'm the boss!'' lol


You don't have the skill, the knowledge, the experience, the tools, or the
time; but at least you have the t-shirt.


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"KaeZoo" wrote in message
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"bob wald" wrote in message
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ok...youre the exspection. but like i told this one kid telling me how
much he charges to install something.i told him nothings 100%.lol
i paid him 20% lower in the end.
remember i'm the boss. think i might get a tshirt made up to wear with
stereo brands on it saying.''i'm the boss!'' lol


You don't have the skill, the knowledge, the experience, the tools, or the
time; but at least you have the t-shirt.



that says:

"I got owned by RAC and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"


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and i can tell you ''youre fired'' HAhaHahaHa''
i think i'm older than all of you.

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and i can tell you ''youre fired'' HAhaHahaHa''

He can essentially tell you the same by saying "get the hell out of my
shop."


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yes but hes not going to stay open long telling customers to leave......



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yes but hes not going to stay open long telling customers to leave......

He's not going to stay open long working for half price either.

Haven't you ever worked retail? Or worked some sort of service job?
Sometimes there are customers you just don't want...


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if working for $20-$25 an hour is too lil for you....
youre an idot.

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"bob wald" wrote in message
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if working for $20-$25 an hour is too lil for you....
youre an idot.




"Remember", my boss said sternly, " the customer is always right."

"Oh, yeah?" I remarked, raising one eyebrow. "What about Bob Wald?"

A wince passed over his face, and he shut his eyes. "Oh, god!" he groaned.
"Don't tell me HE'S been in here again."

He wandered away, shaking his head.


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if working for $20-$25 an hour is too lil for you....

It's too little for lots of people. Try to find a good auto mechanic to
work for that kind of money. Hell, even a good car audio installer. Look,
the going rate is what it is. If they've got people coming into their
store/shop willing to pay them $50/hr, or whatever it is (usually it's not
that linear), then why should they cut you a half price discount for coming
in there and bossing them around like an asshole?

youre an idot.


FYI: when hurling three-word insults at people, it's usually best that you
spell more than one word correctly...




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"bob wald" wrote in message
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if working for $20-$25 an hour is too lil for you....
youre an idot.


Operating expenses:
Rent
Test equipment (priced any lately?)
Power bill
Taxes
Consumables such as tools, chemicals, solder, wick, etc
Professional services such as accountants, lawyers, etc.
Business insurance
Water to run the ****ter, or at least getting the outhouse sucked out in
Bob's neck of the world.
Phone bill
Trade schooling, to keep warranty repair center+travel

Need I go on

Seems easy but at 25 bucks an hour you are hosed

Doing car audio I worked out of my home, I have a full time job but as
stated earlier this was to keep my chops up and get chump change for gear.

This is what a shop looks like with the BARE MINIMUM you will need to repair
the average car amp, this is the home tinkering shop that recently has been
added to with new HV and RF gear, getting into more tube stuff

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...s/HPIM0899.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...s/HPIM0896.jpg

The place I was employed was a pro audio repair center, we repaired amps
that would produce 10,000 watts (rms junior) and ran on 3 phase. A dummy
load consisted of modified water heaters with pumps, glycol, and outside
radiators!

Not cheap stuff, not a cheap electric bill doing 8 hour burn in's.

So when you move out of mom's house and realize what it takes to survive
with the needed amenities and a few toys then come back, we will then school
you on what it takes to run a business and not be filing bankruptcy.

Chad


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because $25 an hour is better than 0.

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all those things you listed are part of the business.on volume business
itll pay all those.
look if a guy comes in with a $400 piece of car audio and i come in with
a $179 piece.i'm not going to pay $165 to fix mine but that other guy
might.
You have to charge what its worth.
oh and you say you cant pay all those bills on $25 an hour.Well $0 a
hour i bet wont either.

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So is $1. What's your point?

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because $25 an hour is better than 0.



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