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Getting the jazz guitar sound
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I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. |
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:14:12 -0800 (PST), sohala
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Which RG, what pickups, and which bridge type? My first suggestion would be to see if you can borrow an Ibanez Artcore from somebody. Ibanez's hollowbodies are really quite decent (and not horribly expensive, either), and the hollowbody really is a big part of that small trio Kenny Burrell type sound. BEing Kenny Burrell helps a lot too, but it isn't necessary, luckily. The other thing I'd suggest would be to use a fairly heavy string, like in the .11-.12 for the high E range. Stevie Ray Vaughn did a good job coming close to the sound on a Strat, but he used .13s. If the RG has a tremolo, using strings that heavy will necessitate having a setup done to cope with them, and kinda like weight lifting, it's not a bad idea to work your way up to them if you're not used to 'em. Oh, and use the neck pickup. -- jtougas "listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door let's go" - e.e. cummings |
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writes On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:14:12 -0800 (PST), sohala trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Which RG, what pickups, and which bridge type? My first suggestion would be to see if you can borrow an Ibanez Artcore from somebody. Ibanez's hollowbodies are really quite decent (and not horribly expensive, either), and the hollowbody really is a big part of that small trio Kenny Burrell type sound. BEing Kenny Burrell helps a lot too, but it isn't necessary, luckily. The other thing I'd suggest would be to use a fairly heavy string, like in the .11-.12 for the high E range. Stevie Ray Vaughn did a good job coming close to the sound on a Strat, but he used .13s. If the RG has a tremolo, using strings that heavy will necessitate having a setup done to cope with them, and kinda like weight lifting, it's not a bad idea to work your way up to them if you're not used to 'em. Oh, and use the neck pickup. Forget the POD 2.0 Get a Polytone amplifier http://www.polytoneamps.com/ -- Regards Andy Hart |
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sohala wrote:
I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. You start by having that sound come out of the amplifier. I am quite serious. I heard Lisa Tingle several times in Austin this year, accompanied by Carter Arrington on a Stratocaster. If you closed your eyes you would never have believed he was playing a Strat. He pulled a terrific amplified archtop guitar sound from that solid body instrument. The "big secret" to getting this or that guitar sound is to deliver _that sound_ to the mics. -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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sohala wrote:
I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. You need a guitar, an amp, a good room, and a good player. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. Dump the POD. Get an amp. Listen to the sound of various amps in the store until you find one that gives the sound you want. I can make some personal recommendations but I think you will be amazed at the difference with a real amp. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I'm sorry. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. The thing is, you can't hear what the signal sounds like directly, so you really don't have any way to tell where the problem is. Get an amp and put a mike in front of it. If it sounds good in the room with you playing, you can make the recording sound good. If you can't get it to sound that way in the room, it's the amp or the room, the instrument or the player. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Nov 8, 7:59*pm, jtougas wrote:
The other thing I'd suggest would be to use a fairly heavy string, like in the .11-.12 for the high E range. *Stevie Ray Vaughn did a good job coming close to the sound on a Strat, but he used .13s. Getting away from light gauge strings is 80% of it. But you need to be tuned up to pitch for that thick, taut jazz guitar sound. SRV may have used .13s but he tuned down the tension was closer to a set of 10s. As far as recording, you'll probably get closest to that sound by turning off everything on the POD and just using it as a direct box. The RG series can mean a lot of different things, but I'll wager it's got a Floyd Rose bridge, which will work even harder against the sound you're going for. Best bet is to get ahold of another ax without one. Since you mention "smooth jazz" I'll even bet that you're hearing strats anyway, and not the hollow body jazz box people think of when "jazz guitar" sound comes up. Can you be more specific about the sound, maybe with some examples? If it's a smooth jazz overdriven lead sound it's a whole 'nother thing : ) |
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On Nov 8, 7:14*pm, sohala wrote:
Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Well - Ibanez RG "Superstrats" aren't the best choice for Jazz, but I have played a lot of clubdates with my ESP Strat. Start with the neck pickup and dial the tone pot back maybe 1/2 to 2/3rd. Fender type amp, if it has a Master volume set that at 3 to 5 and the channel gain at 3 to 6, tone controls start at 5. You want it clean with enough bass to fill things out, and a bit of the Fender spring reverb. I've played with guys who'd jump from a mellow jazzy "Woman tone" into a full blown Dick Dale "Miserlou" just by dialing the tone pots on a Strat and changing their playing feel. But POD's and other modeling devices do have a tendency to create a thin sound, with a small tube Epi or Fender amp or even a 10 watt Tech 21 analog solid state amp you'll have a fatter, more satisfying tone to work with. Will Miho NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy "The large print giveth and small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:14:12 -0500, sohala wrote
(in article ): Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Last year I was re-rigging my Martin with a PWM. (thanks Hank). In talking with the local guitar guy I mentioned that I had an old DeArmond pickup for arch top guitars. Don't remember the model number, but when I mentioned it to him he said, "Dude! That's worth something. It's what was used back in the day and has "the sound."" I put in on Craig's List . The buyer came in with his guitar, we strapped it on and he played and was ecstatic. I sold it in 36 hours for $200, which more than paid for my PWM. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:14:12 -0500, sohala wrote (in article ): Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Last year I was re-rigging my Martin with a PWM. (thanks Hank). You're welcome, Ty. It ain't perfect, but it's far better than other acoustic pickups I've used. In talking with the local guitar guy I mentioned that I had an old DeArmond pickup for arch top guitars. Don't remember the model number, but when I mentioned it to him he said, "Dude! That's worth something. It's what was used back in the day and has "the sound."" I put in on Craig's List . The buyer came in with his guitar, we strapped it on and he played and was ecstatic. I sold it in 36 hours for $200, which more than paid for my PWM. Scroll down at this URL and read a little about those: http://www.archtop.com/ac_access.html -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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On Nov 9, 2:14*pm, wrote:
an old guy I wrote many songs with back in Iowa in the '80's could do it, and often he'd play his telecaster through a little PEavey bandit amp. Hey, a good Tele is an AWESOME jazz guitar! : ) |
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Thanks to all for responding....
Looks like most recommend that I mike an Amp. I have a cheap $150 pre- amp (Berringer Ultragain Pro) and a $200 mike Marshall MXL 2001. Are they good enough. Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. Also the sound I am looking for is the clean thick, clear sound nothing in particular. Do I need a new guitar??? The guitar I have I bought long time ago, I don't know which RG series it is, doesn't say on the guitar. I paid for it $500 5 years ago. It has a double pickup (V8) near the bridge, a double pickup (V7) near the neck and a single pickup (S1) in the middle. |
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On Nov 10, 3:20*am, sohala wrote:
Thanks to all for responding.... Looks like most recommend that I mike an Amp. I have a cheap $150 pre- amp (Berringer Ultragain Pro) and a $200 mike Marshall MXL 2001. Are they good enough. Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. Also the sound I am looking for is the clean thick, clear sound nothing in particular. Do I need a new guitar??? The guitar I have I bought long time ago, I don't know which RG series it is, doesn't say on the guitar. I paid for it $500 5 years ago. It has a double pickup (V8) near the bridge, a double pickup (V7) near the neck and a single pickup (S1) in the middle. Usually I'd say you can do almost anything with anything, but these are shredding rock pickups, and even though you can play clean, they're high output, and they're voiced specifically for heavy rock. Ibanez assumes you want to be a step closer to Vai and Satriani. So even with all the other ducks in a row (amp, mic, etc.) this will probably be a deal killer. So you don't NEED a new guitar if you're willing to swap the neck pickup for a jazz pickup, IMHO. Check the pickup maker catalogs(Duncan, Dimarzio, etc) for a lower output, non- gnarly one. |
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sohala wrote:
Looks like most recommend that I mike an Amp. I have a cheap $150 pre- amp (Berringer Ultragain Pro) and a $200 mike Marshall MXL 2001. Are they good enough. Dunno, depends. I'd probably pick an SM-57 or a 635A over any of the cheap condenser mikes, but you might be fine. Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. How can I answer that? Only you can answer that. Go and audition amps. Maybe you'll find you get exactly the sound you want with a pignose. Maybe you'll fall in love with some multi-thousand-dollar custom amp. More probably you'll like something like a Roland Jazz Chorus. Also the sound I am looking for is the clean thick, clear sound nothing in particular. Do I need a new guitar??? The guitar I have I bought long time ago, I don't know which RG series it is, doesn't say on the guitar. I paid for it $500 5 years ago. It has a double pickup (V8) near the bridge, a double pickup (V7) near the neck and a single pickup (S1) in the middle. I can't answer that either, but if you go into a real guitar shop (NOT Guitar Center) with your guitar and sit down and play it and some of the others, you should be able to get a good idea of what spending more money will buy you in feel and tone, and what it won't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:44:38 -0500, hank alrich wrote
(in article ): Scroll down at this URL and read a little about those: http://www.archtop.com/ac_access.html Thanks Hank, Mine was an FHC Monkey On A Stick. It needed a new cable, but that was NOT a problem for the new owner. It finally paid to keep some of this stuff around. I have a TEAC model 2 mixer in case anyone wants one. Also a Vox Sepulveda wah-wah pedal. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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sohala wrote: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Don't distort it. Try a DI box straight from the guitar. Graham |
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jtougas wrote:
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:49:47 -0800 (PST), trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: On Nov 9, 2:14 pm, wrote: an old guy I wrote many songs with back in Iowa in the '80's could do it, and often he'd play his telecaster through a little PEavey bandit amp. Hey, a good Tele is an AWESOME jazz guitar! : ) Most under-rated guitar on the planet, IMHO. You can use it for jazz, rock, punk, country, reggae... just about any style that requires plugging in. Another thing the OP might want to consider in his setup will be his pickups. The stock pups in the RG will likely be designed more for rock or metal, and not really designed to be clear. I heard a guy on a cruise ship band this summer who got a very fat jazzy sound out of a Tele equipped with some Australian made humbuckers. They looked just like the oem tele lipsticks, but sounded like the humbucker they were. -Raf -- Misifus- Rafael Seibert Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii home: http://www.rafandsioux.com |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:28 -0800 (PST), sohala
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: Thanks to all for responding.... Looks like most recommend that I mike an Amp. I have a cheap $150 pre- amp (Berringer Ultragain Pro) and a $200 mike Marshall MXL 2001. Are they good enough. They'll do, until you can afford better. If you're comfortable with them, and know how to use them to their best advantage, then I'd say concentrate on getting your guitar tone where you want it. Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. Well... that's a loaded question, to say the least. I would recommend a low-wattage tube amp. The Fender clean sound is legendary, and they've got one that's not horribly expensive (just go easy on the reverb). Another poster mentioned Polytone amps - just as close to jazz stock. There're more than a few of 'em on ebay right now for decent prices. Also the sound I am looking for is the clean thick, clear sound nothing in particular. Do I need a new guitar??? The guitar I have I bought long time ago, I don't know which RG series it is, doesn't say on the guitar. I paid for it $500 5 years ago. It has a double pickup (V8) near the bridge, a double pickup (V7) near the neck and a single pickup (S1) in the middle. Before dumping the while thing, you might want to try swapping out the neck pickup for a Seymour Duncan Jazz pickup. It has the name for a reason. Do you want to play jazz exclusively, or do you play a variety of styles? -- jtougas "listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door let's go" - e.e. cummings |
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sohala wrote:
Thanks to all for responding.... Looks like most recommend that I mike an Amp. I have a cheap $150 pre- amp (Berringer Ultragain Pro) and a $200 mike Marshall MXL 2001. Are they good enough. See below. They might be good enough if the sound you want is the sound you're making. Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. If the sound you want isn't starting to show up at the output jack of the guitar, no amount of money will get the sound you want. Also the sound I am looking for is the clean thick, clear sound nothing in particular. Can you provide a reference to what you're after? Barney Kessel and Kenny Burrell both offer that sound, but they don't sound the same. Do I need a new guitar??? The guitar I have I bought long time ago, I don't know which RG series it is, doesn't say on the guitar. I paid for it $500 5 years ago. It has a double pickup (V8) near the bridge, a double pickup (V7) near the neck and a single pickup (S1) in the middle. Try it with only the forward pickup. Have you tried flatwound strings, like the Gison Johnny Smith strings? -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:28 -0800 (PST), sohala
wrote: Also how much is the least I can spend on an amplifier to get the sound I want. Try a Fender pro jr. If you like it there are often used onesaround cheap. |
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, sohala wrote: Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me figure out how to get the thick lead guitar sound of jazz guitar that you hear on recorded music like smooth jazz songs. Can someone tell me what kind of gear I need to get that sound. Below is what I have but can't get the sound I want. Can someone advice me and let me know if I can use my gear. Thanks. I have a Ibanez RG series guitar, a POD 2.0 effect I don't have an amplifier and am using the POD and plugging into my computer. I am using also using a computer plug-in effect like Amplitude. I am not getting the thick sound, I am getting a thin sound and the notes are not that clear or defined. Jazz guitar recipe: 1. Hollow or semi-hollow guitar. 2. Thick flat-wound strings (eg, 12-50). 3. Neck pickup 4. Tube amp, or a Polytone, or some other jazz-oriented amp. 5. Practice (most important). -- Jedd Haas - Artist - New Orleans, LA http://www.gallerytungsten.com |
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