"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message
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I don't know anybody that is being helped by Behringer's secrecy about
their schematics, not even them!

I do. Every user of Behringer gear that needs service or repair. By
keeping
it to authorised Behringer service agents they can weed out the backroom
repair brigade like Mr Assillon and keep standards high.

The simple fact is that Behringer are happy that most equipment is thrown
away rather than repaired, even if the repair is within the capabilities
of
the owner to fix.

As I said before, it's amazing that the cheapest stuff on the market
thinks
they need to "weed out the backroom repair brigade", when the players at
quality end feel no such need. :-)

MrT.


well Mr. T wether you agree or disagree with behringers policy , it seems
like a solid business decision that is working for tem
and the main objective of a coporation is to turn a profit
which behringer is doing in spades
so a few sore bench techs are the fall out from a very well thought out
business model
such is life
as I said if one feels the need to spend hundereds of dollars of ones time
trying t
corner a market doing 100$ worth or repairs on 100$ devices, well that is
not a solid busiess model

when was the last time anyone even bothered to open a cd player to repair
it?
do you try to fix you cell phone or the circuts in your computer, no you
simply rplace either the unit or the entire board
that is how these things are fixed
I do high level repairs of wireless communications , and the "fix" is a
board swap
I dont need a schematic to repair these things
it designed to be fixed not at the coponent level but rather at the board
level
I am sure eyesore can get a replacemnet board and do a swap

but instead of learning the procedure that is in place for fixing these
thiongs he whines that , I can't get a 80$ manual to fix a 100$ unit

its all sour grapes. and if you had the experiance of years oif enduring
eyesore bigotry and flames you would not give any validitiy to his
complaints.

call up ford and ask them for schemantics for the microprocessor that
controls thier cars
let bme know how tht works out.
george

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message
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So do you still claim that 95% of professional mixing desks do not have
PFL
metering? A yes or no will do fine Arnold.

Many Yamaha desks do not unfortunately!
I guess it depends on who is defining "professional mixing desks" :-)

MrT.


I've got a dozen yamaha desks , from mg's to o1v to the new ls9
they all have pre fade level
which yamahas made in the last 10 years are without even a clip indicator?
George

[Mr.T]

wrote in message
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sorry Mr. t
thier customers are saying give us really low cost kit

Yep, they're already good at that.

one of the ways is to limit distribution on technical materials
it keeps te price down

What crap. They provide all the manuals on-line already. Adding circuits
would cost peanuts. And of course many companies charge for service manuals
anyway.

FAR more pf thier customers are happy with te way things are

You have done a poll on that?

it would be foolish to go against the millions of satisifed users to
cater
to a few wildcat techs who want to play inside gear that is designed for
mass production, not small back room solder jockey benches

Now were getting to the nitty gritty. I agree the equipment in general is
not designed for repair, and Behringer simply couldn't be bothered providing
any details if they don't have to.


if the eyesores of tis world are so interested in fixing 100 dollar
processors let them become authorized

Yea right, and IF he applied to do so, I bet they'd tell him to go to
hell!!!

thier warrentee is excellent
thier customer service is worldclass
they and I see no need for every kid with a soldering pencil and more free
time than brains to have access to tis information

There are no technically competent users of Behringer gear in your opinion
then? None are capable of repairing their own equipment?
At least you are honest in how little they think of their customers. They
obviously assume anyone with real technical ability buys something better!
Fortunately for them that is not always the best option.
to
there is a excellent service network in place
simply use it.

Sure, IF it is financially viable.
Behringer know of course that it often isn't with cheap products, and
couldn't give a rats if the equipment ends up on the rubbish dump
unnecessarily.

Pity because I still like Behringer products, just not their customer
attitude.

MrT.

Pity because I still like Behringer products, just not their customer
attitude.

MrT.

If you have need
for service give Jim Savery a call
he is the WORLD customer service manager at behringer (email me or google
him, he is all over them web)I think you will be surprised at how friendly a
nd resposive he, and behriger is
its a pity you slag what you have not experianced
george

[Mr.T]

wrote in message
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As I said before, it's amazing that the cheapest stuff on the market
thinks
they need to "weed out the backroom repair brigade", when the players at
quality end feel no such need. :-)


well Mr. T wether you agree or disagree with behringers policy , it seems
like a solid business decision that is working for tem

Read: They are getting away with it because their products are good value.

and the main objective of a coporation is to turn a profit
which behringer is doing in spades

Sure, I have no problem with their equipment or pricing.

so a few sore bench techs are the fall out from a very well thought out
business model
such is life

Read: we couln't give a rats about our customers, as long as they buy more.


as I said if one feels the need to spend hundereds of dollars of ones time
trying t
corner a market doing 100$ worth or repairs on 100$ devices, well that is
not a solid busiess model

Exactly, which is why the repair of $100 items can only be done viably by
the owner or not at all.
Behringer would prefer to prevent that it seems, in the hope of selling
replacements instead.


when was the last time anyone even bothered to open a cd player to repair
it?

Sometime yesterday I will bet.

do you try to fix you cell phone

Yes, have done so in the past.

or the circuts in your computer, no you
simply rplace either the unit or the entire board
that is how these things are fixed

Sometimes, however I and many others HAVE fixed computers to component
level. You are showing your ignorance here.

I do high level repairs of wireless communications , and the "fix" is a
board swap

I wouldn't admit to that if I were you :-)
But yes, *commercially* it is often uneconomic to repair things any other
way. That's what I've been saying all along.

I dont need a schematic to repair these things
it designed to be fixed not at the coponent level but rather at the board
level
I am sure eyesore can get a replacemnet board and do a swap

Of course he can, the board also comes with a new case, and he simply swaps
the leads :-)


but instead of learning the procedure that is in place for fixing these
thiongs he whines that , I can't get a 80$ manual to fix a 100$ unit

Wow, $80 for a schematic, is that what Behringer would charge!!!! No wonder
they don't bother.


its all sour grapes. and if you had the experiance of years oif enduring
eyesore bigotry and flames you would not give any validitiy to his
complaints.

Hey, I don't agree with Eyesore either, my other posts make that clear
surely.
However that does NOT excuse Behringers attitude.

call up ford and ask them for schemantics for the microprocessor that
controls thier cars
let bme know how tht works out.

I already have a factory workshop manual for my Ford thanks very much.
And I am NOT forced to have repairs done at an authorised dealer either.
(although I'm sure they would like to be able to get away with it too, if
they could!)

MrT.

[Mr.T]

wrote in message
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So do you still claim that 95% of professional mixing desks do not have
PFL
metering? A yes or no will do fine Arnold.

Many Yamaha desks do not unfortunately!
I guess it depends on who is defining "professional mixing desks" :-)

I've got a dozen yamaha desks , from mg's to o1v to the new ls9
they all have pre fade level

The EMX series doesn't.

which yamahas made in the last 10 years are without even a clip indicator?

You consider a single clip LED to be "metering". You must be the only one I
imagine.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

wrote in message
...
If you have need
for service give Jim Savery a call
he is the WORLD customer service manager at behringer (email me or google
him, he is all over them web)I think you will be surprised at how friendly
a
nd resposive he, and behriger is
its a pity you slag what you have not experianced

I never slagged their service at all (I have never used it, and I own dozens
of Behringer items), just their attitude which you find necessary to stick
up for with massive amounts of spin.

You have provided NO alternative for a simple repair of cheap equipment by
technically competent owners, other than to suggest they pay more than what
the equipment actually costs, for "world class service" by "authorised
agents".

We are ALL aware of the alternative, ie. buying new equipment. I admit is is
usually the most viable option.
Now simply admit that is their goal and lets move on!

MrT.

[Eeyore]

wrote:

one of the ways is to limit distribution on technical materials
it keeps te price down

George must be an utter crackhead is the thinks that publishing the schematics
on a wesite will cost Behringer more than about tuppence !

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

call up ford and ask them for schemantics for the microprocessor that
controls thier cars

Not a relevant comparison at all.

Graham

I do high level repairs of wireless communications , and the "fix" is a
board swap

I wouldn't admit to that if I were you :-)

why not I went through the process to become certified in 3m,hme,ad
panansoic wireless comunications

But yes, *commercially* it is often uneconomic to repair things any other
way. That's what I've been saying all along.

and why do you seem to insit its in any ones interest to employ
uneconomicly practices?

I dont need a schematic to repair these things
it designed to be fixed not at the coponent level but rather at the board
level
then why do you insist that copoent level schematic be availble for devices
DESIGNED, and inherant to the manufacturig, to be fixed at the board level?

I am sure eyesore can get a replacemnet board and do a swap

I am not, eyesore is a moron


but instead of learning the procedure that is in place for fixing these
thiongs he whines that , I can't get a 80$ manual to fix a 100$ unit

Wow, $80 for a schematic, is that what Behringer would charge!!!! No
wonder
they don't bother.

thats what 3m charges
I have no need for behringer, thier factory service is world class


its all sour grapes. and if you had the experiance of years oif enduring
eyesore bigotry and flames you would not give any validitiy to his
complaints.

Hey, I don't agree with Eyesore either, my other posts make that clear
surely.
However that does NOT excuse Behringers attitude.

there is no attitude, they have a established repair netwrok world wide that
does a excellent job
call Jim and tell me what his "attitude" is

call up ford and ask them for schemantics for the microprocessor that
controls thier cars
let bme know how tht works out.

I already have a factory workshop manual for my Ford thanks very much.

not for the circuts of the "brain"

And I am NOT forced to have repairs done at an authorised dealer either.
(although I'm sure they would like to be able to get away with it too, if
they could!)

so your ford has no "dealer only" parts
thats complete bull****

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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wrote in message
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So do you still claim that 95% of professional mixing desks do not
have
PFL
metering? A yes or no will do fine Arnold.

Many Yamaha desks do not unfortunately!
I guess it depends on who is defining "professional mixing desks" :-)

I've got a dozen yamaha desks , from mg's to o1v to the new ls9
they all have pre fade level

The EMX series doesn't.

which yamahas made in the last 10 years are without even a clip
indicator?

You consider a single clip LED to be "metering". You must be the only one
I
imagine.


that is a pre fade level indicator
and I believe even the emx has them , though I would have to look that up to
say with confidence

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

wrote in message
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If you have need
for service give Jim Savery a call
he is the WORLD customer service manager at behringer (email me or google
him, he is all over them web)I think you will be surprised at how
friendly
a
nd resposive he, and behriger is
its a pity you slag what you have not experianced

I never slagged their service at all (I have never used it, and I own
dozens
of Behringer items), just their attitude which you find necessary to stick
up for with massive amounts of spin.

which you try to derail, even though you've ever used it

You have provided NO alternative for a simple repair of cheap equipment by
technically competent owners, other than to suggest they pay more than
what
the equipment actually costs, for "world class service" by "authorised
agents".

that is a assumptio on your part
and if they are so technically competent then they ca fix the stuff without
schematics
a crossover is not really rocket science inside

We are ALL aware of the alternative, ie. buying new equipment. I admit is
is
usually the most viable option.
Now simply admit that is their goal and lets move on!

thier goal is to provide the best product at the best price
and when my 3216 was blown across a cemet public square(by a thunderstorm)
they offered to fix it free, even though it was LONG out of warentte(I would
not consider storm damage a warentte claim anyway)
they offered to pay shipping as well

you have NO experiance with behringer over the top efforts to satisfy thier
customers
I do
I can make statements you find hard to belive because of my experiance in
useing behringers world class customer service

from my point of vier when a company works so hard to provide the best
repairs possible there is no reason to let all the hacks access to bunging
up thier stuff.


george

[Eeyore]

wrote:

I do high level repairs of wireless communications , and the "fix" is a
board swap

I wouldn't admit to that if I were you :-)

why not I went through the process to become certified in 3m,hme,ad
panansoic wireless comunications

LMFAO !

George is a certified board swapper. The lowest of the low.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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I don't like their gear.

So what? How many years did you badmouth it on AAPLS
and viciouisly attack just about every poor stiff who
made the mistake of admitting

You have a very selective memory Arnold. I didn't
badmouth anything, I pointed it out for what it was. I
still do.

Phildo, you're a real hoot. You painted the Mackie picture far worse than it
really was. For example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...8a6640e15c1926

Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of cooking themselves."

"It's akin to a mechanic using snap-on or other quality tools against the
cheap (Mackie) crap from his local B&Q or home depot for our US readers."

[Eeyore]

wrote:

a crossover is not really rocket science inside

All the more reason not to hinder independent repairers by refusing to supply
schematics.

Graham

[Eeyore]

wrote:

from my point of vier when a company works so hard to provide the best
repairs possible

Behringer don't even do the repairs in the UK. They sub-contract it out.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message


made it completely obvious that the guy who wrote it is
completely unhinged. We've had a few prayer meetings
for Phildo, but it is unlikely that we're going to help
him much.

Phildo hates the idea of people praying to God, but his hateful crazy antics
make him a leading stimulator of it. You do your part too, George.

or the fact that within 3 days, at pro sound web, your
fellow church sound people had enough of you to banish
you from thier forum , for life

Aw come on George, your buddy, your ex-employee who you set up to have me
canned, was away for the better part of a week, and I was able to post for
all that time.

[Arny Krueger]

"Phildo" wrote in message


The same amount of children
you've had kill themselves because of the shame of having
you as a father (or maybe the abuse you put him through).

Phildo, this is well beyond the pale, but it is typical of the terrible lies
you habitually tell. My son Nate died of natural causes almost exactly 9
years ago at school of a massive brain hemorhage. It was due to a rare
natural condition called an Arterial-Venous Malformation (AVM). Regrettably,
his blood-brain barrier had developed in an unsual and unstable way. It
burst massively at a point in his life when such problems often first become
serious. We had an excellent father-son relationship.

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/cerebro/AVM.html

[Bob Urz]

Eeyore wrote:

wrote:


a crossover is not really rocket science inside


Maybe that's why a Lake costs so much because its made by dwarfs
in a third world country.........

Bob




All the more reason not to hinder independent repairers by refusing to supply
schematics.

Graham


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[Bob Urz]

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from my point of vier when a company works so hard to provide the best
repairs possible there is no reason to let all the hacks access to bunging
up thier stuff.

There is nothing wrong with good customer service and communication.
But if you have a gig, and your out in the sticks and need your gear
fast, your going to need someone locally or on your crew (if qualified)
to work on it. When the show is today, sending it out to the factory
depot doesn't cut it.

I don't know why you think techs are "hacks". Yea, there are fools in
every pond. There are probably more sound FOH mixers that are hacks
than techs.

Limiting customer fixability is a false economy in the long run.
You cannot even fire up a modern GM car radio on the bench these days
because its "Vin Locked" to the cars computer. Some manufactuerers would
love to keep all information proprietary to lock up your options. If its
yours, you should be able to fix it yourself or take it to anyone
else capable. And just because it needs a "dealer only" part does not
mean the "dealer" has to fix it.

There are many things still fixable these days, and may that are not.
Most new digital boards and products basically fall into the unfixable
category unless its has a bad solder joint or power supply problem. most
shops would not have logic analyzers or factory jigs to even hot wire a
board out of a unit for component level repair.

Most good techs will dive into something without a print any day. But
there is a time penalty to be paid Vs having good service info in front
of you.

I have a Behringer DA amp that has a stuck LED display that i have to
work on. I won't have a print for it. Just have to open it up, find the
chips, go online to download spec sheets on the chips, and figure it out
from there.

Bob





george



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[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message


The same amount of children
you've had kill themselves because of the shame of having
you as a father (or maybe the abuse you put him through).

Phildo, this is well beyond the pale, but it is typical of the terrible
lies you habitually tell.

You brought up the car wreck I was involved in (which as you know was VERY
traumatic for me and I was totally blameless in)

My son Nate died of natural causes almost exactly 9 years ago at school of
a massive brain hemorhage. It was due to a rare natural condition called
an Arterial-Venous Malformation (AVM). Regrettably, his blood-brain
barrier had developed in an unsual and unstable way. It burst massively at
a point in his life when such problems often first become serious. We had
an excellent father-son relationship.

That's what you would like the world to believe.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
I don't like their gear.

So what? How many years did you badmouth it on AAPLS
and viciouisly attack just about every poor stiff who
made the mistake of admitting

You have a very selective memory Arnold. I didn't
badmouth anything, I pointed it out for what it was. I
still do.

Phildo, you're a real hoot. You painted the Mackie picture far worse than
it really was. For example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...8a6640e15c1926

Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of cooking
themselves."

"It's akin to a mechanic using snap-on or other quality tools against the
cheap (Mackie) crap from his local B&Q or home depot for our US readers."

What's wrong with that? All perfectly true.

Get a grip Arnold.

Phildo

[Arny Krueger]

"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
I don't like their gear.

So what? How many years did you badmouth it on AAPLS
and viciouisly attack just about every poor stiff who
made the mistake of admitting

You have a very selective memory Arnold. I didn't
badmouth anything, I pointed it out for what it was. I
still do.

Phildo, you're a real hoot. You painted the Mackie
picture far worse than it really was. For example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...8a6640e15c1926

Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of
cooking themselves."

"It's akin to a mechanic using snap-on or other quality
tools against the cheap (Mackie) crap from his local B&Q
or home depot for our US readers."

What's wrong with that? All perfectly true.

LOL!

Phildo, you seem to be so overwhelmed by with your own perceptions of your
own perfection that you can't imagine that there are many knowlegable
people would would disagree with your insults to Mackie's products.

[Arny Krueger]

"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Phildo" wrote in message


The same amount of children
you've had kill themselves because of the shame of
having you as a father (or maybe the abuse you put him
through).

Phildo, this is well beyond the pale, but it is typical
of the terrible lies you habitually tell.

You brought up the car wreck I was involved in (which as
you know was VERY traumatic for me and I was totally
blameless in)

That's not true at all Phildo. Anybody who can read the thread a few posts
back can see that someone else brought the matter up. I just asked a
question to clarify a minor point.

Thanks Phildo for proving yourself to be a fulminating liar, again.

"Phildo" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
I don't like their gear.

So what? How many years did you badmouth it on AAPLS
and viciouisly attack just about every poor stiff who
made the mistake of admitting

You have a very selective memory Arnold. I didn't
badmouth anything, I pointed it out for what it was. I
still do.

Phildo, you're a real hoot. You painted the Mackie picture far worse than
it really was. For example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...8a6640e15c1926

Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of cooking
themselves."

this is a FACT ,with the 1402 at least,I had 6 of them
esp when used in the sun, it was and still is a **** poor design

george

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Phildo" wrote

You have a very selective memory Arnold. I didn't
badmouth anything, I pointed it out for what it was. I
still do.

Phildo, you're a real hoot. You painted the Mackie picture far worse than it
really was. For example:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...8a6640e15c1926

Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of cooking themselves."

They certainly don't *cook themselves* !

They get cooked by heat sources in their vicinity. There's nothing wrong with
the caps per se, although substituting high termperature 105C versions for
example would help prolong their life.

Graham

[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Naahh, its not worth it to drop to Phildo's level.
Phildo tried to force me out of my volunteer's job at
church by sending a poison pen email to the pastor of my
church. Trouble is, Phildo's over-the-top writing style
made it completely obvious that the guy who wrote it is
completely unhinged. We've had a few prayer meetings for
Phildo, but it is unlikely that we're going to help him
much.

While you would like everyone to believe that Arnold, I
was not the only one who had to resort to writing to your
pastor about your lunatic behaviour and disruption of
this newsgroup. How do you explain that away?

Real simple Phildo - there's a lot of weirdos posting on Usenet. I guess
you haven't noticed since you are one of them!

You just keep telling yourself that Pinocchio while more and more people get
so ****ed at your lunatic ramblings on here that they too write to your
pastor to try and get him to do something about you giving his church a bad
name.

pastormatt at gbpc.org if anyone is interested.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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wrote in message


made it completely obvious that the guy who wrote it is
completely unhinged. We've had a few prayer meetings
for Phildo, but it is unlikely that we're going to help
him much.

Phildo hates the idea of people praying to God,

Too right. Life is a precious gift and I hate to see people wasting their
time falling for the biggest con-trick in history. If you see someone being
conned you would normally step in and try and stop it but for some reason
religion seems to get away with it because it is a socially-sanctioned
confidence trick.

but his hateful crazy antics make him a leading stimulator of it. You do
your part too, George.

If I can stop just one person from wasting their lives on fairy stories then
it will have been worth it.

or the fact that within 3 days, at pro sound web, your
fellow church sound people had enough of you to banish
you from thier forum , for life

Aw come on George, your buddy, your ex-employee who you set up to have me
canned, was away for the better part of a week, and I was able to post for
all that time.

You would love for people to believe that Arnold but the fact remains YOU
got yourself banned because of what YOU posted. If this were a moderated
forum you'd be booted off in an instant.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Eeyore" wrote in message
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I never said anything about including labour costs.

Nor about not being able to read, remember what you wrote, or use Google
when you can't.

Arny has the same problem, often promising faithfully to post google URLs to
prove he said something but has never once come up with the goods, ever.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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wrote in message
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you should not be so cynical

Not being cynical, just stating facts.

You seem to have difficulty distinguishing between your opinions and facts.

Being cynical would imply there is a
VALID reason for them with-holding service information.

You've been given them already, you just chose to ignore them.

Despite your
excuses, there is only their own self interest at heart, certainly not
that
of the customers.

So you say. If you don't like it then don;t buy their gear. It is a pity
that you cannot see the sense in their policy because it does indeed benefit
the customer.

Maybe instead of making excuses,

You seem to have difficulty distinguishing between excuses and valid
reasons.

Behringer should listen to what their
customers are saying?

Their customers are saying that Behringer has the best customer service.
Eyesore just moans about behringer at every possible opportunity because
they are the reason for him being unemployed and in the middle of a nervous
breakdown. It is not your place to dictate their customer service practices.
If you don't like it then tough, don't buy their gear. It's your loss.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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sorry Mr. t
thier customers are saying give us really low cost kit

Yep, they're already good at that.

one of the ways is to limit distribution on technical materials
it keeps te price down

What crap. They provide all the manuals on-line already. Adding circuits
would cost peanuts. And of course many companies charge for service
manuals
anyway.

But then any two-bit bench tech could try to fix the equipment which is
exactly what they are trying to avoid.

FAR more pf thier customers are happy with te way things are

You have done a poll on that?

No but Behringer have.

it would be foolish to go against the millions of satisifed users to
cater
to a few wildcat techs who want to play inside gear that is designed for
mass production, not small back room solder jockey benches

Now were getting to the nitty gritty. I agree the equipment in general is
not designed for repair, and Behringer simply couldn't be bothered
providing
any details if they don't have to.

Your opinion. The facts say otherwise.

if the eyesores of tis world are so interested in fixing 100 dollar
processors let them become authorized

Yea right, and IF he applied to do so, I bet they'd tell him to go to
hell!!!

They probably would after all the **** he has posted about Behringer since
they put him out of a job.

Pity because I still like Behringer products, just not their customer
attitude.

Maybe if you understood it then you would but it seems the concept just goes
way over your head and you will believe what you want to believe anyway.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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If you have need
for service give Jim Savery a call
he is the WORLD customer service manager at behringer (email me or google
him, he is all over them web)I think you will be surprised at how
friendly
a
nd resposive he, and behriger is
its a pity you slag what you have not experianced

I never slagged their service at all (I have never used it, and I own
dozens
of Behringer items), just their attitude which you find necessary to stick
up for with massive amounts of spin.

You are confusing spin with facts. George knows a lot of people at Behringer
personally so has access to the facts. you however have only your
closed-minded opinions.

You have provided NO alternative for a simple repair of cheap equipment by
technically competent owners, other than to suggest they pay more than
what
the equipment actually costs, for "world class service" by "authorised
agents".

People are welcome to fix it but Behringer are under no obligation to
provide the diagrams since they prefer to keep the service standards high
and use the information gained in the process to improve their products.

We are ALL aware of the alternative, ie. buying new equipment. I admit is
is
usually the most viable option.
Now simply admit that is their goal and lets move on!

Why admit what isn't true?

Phildo

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.T"


You have provided NO alternative for a simple repair of cheap equipment by
technically competent owners, other than to suggest they pay more than
what
the equipment actually costs, for "world class service" by "authorised
agents".

We are ALL aware of the alternative, ie. buying new equipment. I admit is
is
usually the most viable option.

Now simply admit that is their goal and lets move on!


** The reason Behringer will not supply service info to customers has
nothing to do with customers. It has * everything * to do with how they
employ their contracted service agents.

The deal Behringer offer service agents is basically a poor one, with small
fixed amounts that can be charged to Behringer for carrying out warranty
repair work on particular items.

However, as a crucial " sweetener " to this crummy deal, Behringer agree
NOT to supply any competing repair businesses with essential service info.

This gives " authorised " agents an effective monopoly on ALL service of
Behringer gear - both in and out of the warranty period PLUS and very
importantly any work that is not covered by their warrantee.

As anyone who does repairs on stage and PA gear knows - nearly all
breakdowns are the direct result of customer abuse - so are not warranty
cases.

In order to preserve the effect of this " sweetener " no Behringer customer
can be supplied with service info either.

Such deals are a breach of consumer law in most countries in that they
impede free competition between repair businesses and seriously disadvantage
the customer by allowing them NO choice of repairer.

Behringer are a truly appalling bunch of assholes.





....... Phil

[Mr.T]

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But yes, *commercially* it is often uneconomic to repair things any
other
way. That's what I've been saying all along.

and why do you seem to insit its in any ones interest to employ
uneconomicly practices?

Is it that you can't read, or you don't actually comprehend the difference
between a *commercial* repair, and a technically competent owner making his
own repairs.

I am sure eyesore can get a replacemnet board and do a swap

I am not, eyesore is a moron

Yes he can regardless, it also comes with a new case just as I already
mentioned :-).

but instead of learning the procedure that is in place for fixing these
thiongs he whines that , I can't get a 80$ manual to fix a 100$ unit

Wow, $80 for a schematic, is that what Behringer would charge!!!! No
wonder
they don't bother.

thats what 3m charges

And QSC charges $5, what's your point?


there is no attitude, they have a established repair netwrok world wide
that
does a excellent job


Are you a politician? Simply repeating spin as if it means something, is
what we expect from politicians.


call up ford and ask them for schemantics for the microprocessor that
controls thier cars
let bme know how tht works out.

I already have a factory workshop manual for my Ford thanks very much.

not for the circuts of the "brain"

Oh good, Beheringer will now release the circuits then but not the Sharc
programming details.
A much better attitude! :-)


so your ford has no "dealer only" parts
thats complete bull****

Please stay with the subject at hand. Behringer would still have some
proprietary parts regardless of whether they made the circuits available.
In both cases there would also be other parts available for some items.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

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I do high level repairs of wireless communications , and the "fix" is a
board swap

I wouldn't admit to that if I were you :-)

why not I went through the process to become certified in 3m,hme,ad
panansoic wireless comunications

Must be a grueling course in how to swap boards :-)

But yes, *commercially* it is often uneconomic to repair things any
other
way. That's what I've been saying all along.

and why do you seem to insit its in any ones interest to employ
uneconomicly practices?

Why do you insist it is YOUR decision to make on the customers behalf?
You assume ALL your customers are too incompetent to decide for themselves?

MrT.

[Wog George]

"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message
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I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they
have
one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago
thrown
away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country.

NO ONE has any schematics for Behringer products, as they are all copies
of
other REAL gear. I suggest you find out who made the "original" of the
CX3400 and use THAT schematic.

Bob Moron
Dresher, PA
(215) 646-4894


Typo in surname corrected, and the handle fits anyone who decides to add an
Australian cricket newsgroup to a response in a thread about Chinese-made
musical equipment.

--
George
"I got such a raging clue that I almost shot clue goo all over Joe." - Frank
Hardly - 11 October 2006

[Mr.T]

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So do you still claim that 95% of professional mixing desks do not
have
PFL
metering? A yes or no will do fine Arnold.

Many Yamaha desks do not unfortunately!
I guess it depends on who is defining "professional mixing desks" :-)

I've got a dozen yamaha desks , from mg's to o1v to the new ls9
they all have pre fade level

The EMX series doesn't.

which yamahas made in the last 10 years are without even a clip
indicator?

You consider a single clip LED to be "metering". You must be the only
one
I
imagine.


that is a pre fade level indicator
and I believe even the emx has them , though I would have to look that up
to
say with confidence


So you don't understand the difference between "metering" (as you originally
stated) and a simple clip "indicator" then.
Besides the clip indicators are channel indicators, nothing to do
specifically with the PFL bus (as you stated) in any case.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

wrote in message
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If you have need
for service give Jim Savery a call
he is the WORLD customer service manager at behringer (email me or
google
him, he is all over them web)I think you will be surprised at how
friendly
a
nd resposive he, and behriger is
its a pity you slag what you have not experianced

I never slagged their service at all (I have never used it, and I own
dozens
of Behringer items), just their attitude which you find necessary to
stick
up for with massive amounts of spin.

which you try to derail, even though you've ever used it

You see, I CHOOSE not to use it. You simply want to FORCE me against my
wishes.
How does MY choice derail anything?


We are ALL aware of the alternative, ie. buying new equipment. I admit
is
isusually the most viable option.
Now simply admit that is their goal and lets move on!

thier goal is to provide the best product at the best price

OK, the main service option for Behringer is to junk everything and buy new
then.
That's what I've been saying all along.


from my point of vier when a company works so hard to provide the best
repairs possible there is no reason to let all the hacks access to bunging
up thier stuff.

At least you admit to being a hack. You are making wild assumptions about
others abilities though.

MrT.

[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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Phildo wrote:

"The caps on their (Mackie) desks do a very good job of
cooking themselves."

"It's akin to a mechanic using snap-on or other quality
tools against the cheap (Mackie) crap from his local B&Q
or home depot for our US readers."

What's wrong with that? All perfectly true.

LOL!

Phildo, you seem to be so overwhelmed by with your own perceptions of your
own perfection that you can't imagine that there are many knowlegable
people would would disagree with your insults to Mackie's products.

If they disagree with those statements then they are hardly knowledgeable.

Phildo

[Phildo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Phildo" wrote in message


The same amount of children
you've had kill themselves because of the shame of
having you as a father (or maybe the abuse you put him
through).

Phildo, this is well beyond the pale, but it is typical
of the terrible lies you habitually tell.

You brought up the car wreck I was involved in (which as
you know was VERY traumatic for me and I was totally
blameless in)

That's not true at all Phildo. Anybody who can read the thread a few posts
back can see that someone else brought the matter up. I just asked a
question to clarify a minor point.

I only saw your post. I have assillon killfiled.

Phildo