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"Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 4:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Art "wetface" Sackman croaked: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Jim is a very bright guy who had the good sense and objectivity to very quickly figure out and become disgusted by Krueger and Ferstler's obvious agendas. I think that without any verifiable confirmation from Jim, this is just another one of Richman's lies. While Richman brags about the possibility of sharing a beer (etc.) with Jim in person, Nousaine and I actually did so. Did you snowball it? What does that mean? it is either A, B ,C, or D A) http://snowball.tartarus.org/ B) http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/fa...all_paper.html C) http://tinyurl.com/2zp99 D) http://snowball.cs.columbia.edu/ I can't make up my mind Art, you want to give me another hint? Do you spit or swallow? "George" says you prefer to "take a facial". He also says he has pictures to prove it. Hey, you can draw any picture you want. Here are some crayons for you. http://www.crayola.com/kids/ |
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Subject: Equalizers
From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 7:43 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 4:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Art "wetface" Sackman croaked: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Jim is a very bright guy who had the good sense and objectivity to very quickly figure out and become disgusted by Krueger and Ferstler's obvious agendas. I think that without any verifiable confirmation from Jim, this is just another one of Richman's lies. While Richman brags about the possibility of sharing a beer (etc.) with Jim in person, Nousaine and I actually did so. Did you snowball it? What does that mean? it is either A, B ,C, or D A) http://snowball.tartarus.org/ B) http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/fa...all_paper.html C) http://tinyurl.com/2zp99 D) http://snowball.cs.columbia.edu/ I can't make up my mind Art, you want to give me another hint? Do you spit or swallow? "George" says you prefer to "take a facial". He also says he has pictures to prove it. Hey, you can draw any picture you want. Here are some crayons for you. http://www.crayola.com/kids/ Just squirt some "Elmer's Glue-all" on your face. That'll look pretty realistic 'til it dries. |
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"Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 7:43 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 4:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Art "wetface" Sackman croaked: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Jim is a very bright guy who had the good sense and objectivity to very quickly figure out and become disgusted by Krueger and Ferstler's obvious agendas. I think that without any verifiable confirmation from Jim, this is just another one of Richman's lies. While Richman brags about the possibility of sharing a beer (etc.) with Jim in person, Nousaine and I actually did so. Did you snowball it? What does that mean? it is either A, B ,C, or D A) http://snowball.tartarus.org/ B) http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/fa...all_paper.html C) http://tinyurl.com/2zp99 D) http://snowball.cs.columbia.edu/ I can't make up my mind Art, you want to give me another hint? Do you spit or swallow? "George" says you prefer to "take a facial". He also says he has pictures to prove it. Hey, you can draw any picture you want. Here are some crayons for you. http://www.crayola.com/kids/ Just squirt some "Elmer's Glue-all" on your face. That'll look pretty realistic 'til it dries. Yours might look good with superglue: http://www.the-squid.com/issue1/braceface.htm |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 7:43 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 4:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Art "wetface" Sackman croaked: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Jim is a very bright guy who had the good sense and objectivity to very quickly figure out and become disgusted by Krueger and Ferstler's obvious agendas. I think that without any verifiable confirmation from Jim, this is just another one of Richman's lies. While Richman brags about the possibility of sharing a beer (etc.) with Jim in person, Nousaine and I actually did so. Did you snowball it? What does that mean? it is either A, B ,C, or D A) http://snowball.tartarus.org/ B) http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/fa...all_paper.html C) http://tinyurl.com/2zp99 D) http://snowball.cs.columbia.edu/ I can't make up my mind Art, you want to give me another hint? Do you spit or swallow? "George" says you prefer to "take a facial". He also says he has pictures to prove it. Hey, you can draw any picture you want. Here are some crayons for you. http://www.crayola.com/kids/ Just squirt some "Elmer's Glue-all" on your face. That'll look pretty realistic 'til it dries. Yours might look good with superglue: http://www.the-squid.com/issue1/braceface.htm Ir sounds like Krueger, the noted history revisionist and liar about what others have actually said (see above) thinks that having a beer with Jim Johnston and Tom Nousaine is one of his most memorable accomplishments. It was nice of them to visit him during his institutionalization and bring along a sixpack. I understand that Michael McStupid will be dropping by next week with some duck sauce and yet another plea to Krueger to let him have the pictures. He just doesn't want to pay the blackmail money any longer and he's tired of being called a pathological liar. When last seen, he was waddling around with a rather dazed, demented look on his face babbling about Standing Up For The Truth, EMails from mysterious strangers, and Getting Revenge via the Last Word. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message ... Lionel said: I still think this duality is an artificial one, and not necessary at all. In the end, we're all people with the same basic needs, emotions and reactions. I agree and disagree. I think it is also a good way to explain certain social behaviour. I wrote *social*, not individual. I believe that you have had friendly relations with RAO regulars. I am sure that most of them are charming guys in the normal relationship. For me the interest of RAO is obviously the *duality*. This artificial duality which exacerbate the reactions, the behaviours, the emotions and recreate in a microcosm all the misuderstandings, hatred... relationship of a real large society. I know that this deprives the *real* audio-enthusiats from their NG. But I am also sure that this present a *real* interest. I think so. But like Devil wrote, most posts are deleted unread. My default settings are thusly that posts longer than 200 lines are automatically ourged as well. I mostly focus on audio posts lately. You have already said that RAO is part of your daily (guilty) pleasure because of the fun it provides you. You are sage Sander you can have some fun with a minimum of (bad) interaction. I am a gluttonous and I cannot stay stoïc at the border between fun and "tasteless". ;-( Sometime I am jealous of you ! Don't be, we all have out own qualities and excellences. I don't really know what you mean by "sage" and "gluttonous", but I suspect I know what you mean. We're all different, and that's what makes RAO, and this world, such an interesting place. I naively guess that this false debate found his origin in the word HiFI. No I'm joking... Concerning audio I am *listening* all point of views. To be honest your audio equally makes me dream as Arnold's one reassures me. (Is it understandable ?) i understand perfectly well what you mean, but I don't think the 2 views are necessarily opposed to eachother One can use whatever information one wants and base his own conclusions upon that. Arny's method isn't all that strange, it happens in most scientifical areas. My approach can be found among crackpots and audio designers :-) Still, a merge between the 2 worlds should be possible. Measure whatever possible when initially designing, and tweak afterwards by intuition. Don't repeat that but I am too ignorant on the subject to be the guy of a dogma. :-) that makes me ignorant too, I don't like dogmas as well. I realize that statements like these are dangerous, because essentially, I'm throwing the HiFi ideal out of the window. Here, it has become MyFi. Your thinking process isn't dangerous since you have given yourself the maximum possibilities to make as far as possible rational technic choices. From my point of view if you are still doubting and taking a lot of pleasure in the same time it means that you are in the right way. ;-) Yep, but as you say, it's *my* way. Another person may need other processes to reach his conclusions and realize his wishes. Fine by me. As I said before, perhaps a certain lack of knowledge somewhere urges me to work the way i do, and could it be done a lot faster and with more predictable results via another method. But I'm just having fun with my soldering iron, and that's the most important part for me. I'm not a real designer, I'm not a manufacturer, just a hobbyist and a tinkerer. I can *allow* myself to work this way. I think that DBT are tools among thousand of others tools. They results are not oracles. I like them when they allow to unmask a notorious crook, or a snobbish disdainfully attitude, my proletarian origin I guess. :-) But who's to decide what snake-oil is? Reality. As Bruce Richman said , the power of imagination is a very strong one. If one thinks that putting Shakti Stones on his amplifier makes it sound better, who am I to disagree? If one thinks that works, it works for him. Period. You seem to imply the same in your next paragraph: I am not one to critic a "ceremonial" in the largest sens of this word. Ceremonials found their origin in the origin of the human being. Perhaps they are *needed* to prepare your neurons and to establish the connections which will provide you a pleasure that you wouldn't have without the "ceremonial". In my POV a ceremonial is a kind of yoga which allows you to be more receiptive. Avoiding the gluttony the ceremonial provide you a *sane* pleasure which make you grow. Can you now understand that I have *no need* for DBTs? Can you understand that I never doubt of that. ;-) I said that in general, sometimes I get carried away and forget who I am responding to. Did you ever have a friend which has leave your salon because he didn't like to listen music on your HiFI ? It has happened, yes. But that was more becaue of the loudness, which we only noticed when we wanted to talk to eachother :-) Agreed, it might take some more effort to get the tweaks right, but then again, that's my *hobby*, not my profession (any more). If you need my opinion, it sounds like an encouragement. Tweak, tweak, tweak again, never stop tweaking. :-) I won't, it's in my nature. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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"Michael McKelvy" said:
But who's to decide what snake-oil is? Reality. In a literal context, you're of course right. In a broader sense, they could work because of imagination. I'm not going into spiritual things here, though I won't dismiss spiritual power at first hand either. IMO, it's all a matter of rituals. Putting LPs on, and manipulating with the arm etc. requires a certain involvement with your gear. Not the same at all as pushing a "play" button. Flipping the switch of your tube amp and watching the heaters glow up slowly, I'm talking that kind of thing. Dimming the lights and see the mighty glow of a 211 or 845 :-) For some of us, these "rituals"enhance the pleasure we get from our audio gear. That would include me. What to think about the story that Russian cosmonauts actually **** against the rear left wheel of the bus that takes them to the launch platform for good luck? Footballers that wear crucifixes and kiss them before each match? People who drive around with pictures of their wife and kids in a little frame that says underneath: "think of me" ? Hardly scientific, ain't it? :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" said: But who's to decide what snake-oil is? Reality. In a literal context, you're of course right. In a broader sense, they could work because of imagination. I'm not going into spiritual things here, though I won't dismiss spiritual power at first hand either. IMO, it's all a matter of rituals. Putting LPs on, and manipulating with the arm etc. requires a certain involvement with your gear. Not the same at all as pushing a "play" button. Flipping the switch of your tube amp and watching the heaters glow up slowly, I'm talking that kind of thing. Dimming the lights and see the mighty glow of a 211 or 845 :-) For some of us, these "rituals"enhance the pleasure we get from our audio gear. That would include me. What to think about the story that Russian cosmonauts actually **** against the rear left wheel of the bus that takes them to the launch platform for good luck? Footballers that wear crucifixes and kiss them before each match? People who drive around with pictures of their wife and kids in a little frame that says underneath: "think of me" ? Hardly scientific, ain't it? :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Those that routinely ignore psychology and pretend that it doesn't influence behavior, also tend to ignore the role that *perceptions* play in the enjoyment of music and the audio equipment that produces it. What people *perceive* at a given moment in time, *is* their reality at that point in time. Bruce J. Richman |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
(Bruce J. Richman) said: In a literal context, you're of course right. In a broader sense, they could work because of imagination. I'm not going into spiritual things here, though I won't dismiss spiritual power at first hand either. IMO, it's all a matter of rituals. Putting LPs on, and manipulating with the arm etc. requires a certain involvement with your gear. Not the same at all as pushing a "play" button. Flipping the switch of your tube amp and watching the heaters glow up slowly, I'm talking that kind of thing. Dimming the lights and see the mighty glow of a 211 or 845 :-) For some of us, these "rituals"enhance the pleasure we get from our audio gear. That would include me. What to think about the story that Russian cosmonauts actually **** against the rear left wheel of the bus that takes them to the launch platform for good luck? Footballers that wear crucifixes and kiss them before each match? People who drive around with pictures of their wife and kids in a little frame that says underneath: "think of me" ? Hardly scientific, ain't it? :-) Those that routinely ignore psychology and pretend that it doesn't influence behavior, also tend to ignore the role that *perceptions* play in the enjoyment of music and the audio equipment that produces it. What people *perceive* at a given moment in time, *is* their reality at that point in time. Thanks for your conclusive summary. Confucius say: "Fool need 1000 words, wise man only 2 ". :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Well, a few more than 2 words,. sometimes. Thank you very much for your very kind words. You are definitely a man possessing both good taste and wisdom. LOT's !!! I'll "buy off on" that. Bruce J. Richman |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
(Bruce J. Richman) said: You are definitely a man possessing both good taste and wisdom. Over on RATubes and AGA, they seem to think different about me. The ever so charming Lord Valve and his acolytes are shooting blanks at me right now :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." So.........what do they know? They're probably a bunch of NOS tube and transformer bigots. They just don't appreciate good old retro-technology. They probably think Stradivarius was a hack violin maker too. Bruce J. Richman |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Bruce J. Richman said: Those that routinely ignore psychology and pretend that it doesn't influence behavior, also tend to ignore the role that *perceptions* play in the enjoyment of music and the audio equipment that produces it. Those individuals also say things like "Been there done that" and "existence exists". Not to mention being bet-welchers and huge cowards who are afraid to take IQ tests. Agreed. They also run around accusing people with verifiable identities of being "sockpuppts", and yelling "prove it" whenever their despicable behavior is pointed out to them. I have heard recently from an unimpeachable Californian poster and regular on RAO that one of these people actually works as a warehouse clerk at a well known California speaker manufacturing plant. Ironically, as it turns out, he used to work for one of the better known mail-order LP dealers in California as a stock clerk until his views towards vinyl as posted on RAO were pointed out to his employer. The rest is history. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" said: But who's to decide what snake-oil is? Reality. In a literal context, you're of course right. In a broader sense, they could work because of imagination. Nope, you'd just be imagining they work. I'm not going into spiritual things here, though I won't dismiss spiritual power at first hand either. IMO, it's all a matter of rituals. Putting LPs on, and manipulating with the arm etc. requires a certain involvement with your gear. Not the same at all as pushing a "play" button. Nope, more tedium. I like to get right to it. Foreplay is for sex, then I take my time. Flipping the switch of your tube amp and watching the heaters glow up slowly, I'm talking that kind of thing. Dimming the lights and see the mighty glow of a 211 or 845 :-) Go for it. For some of us, these "rituals"enhance the pleasure we get from our audio gear. That would include me. But in your ritual, you actually get to a point where something happens. What to think about the story that Russian cosmonauts actually **** against the rear left wheel of the bus that takes them to the launch platform for good luck? I think Russians are wierd. They have a different attitude abolut many things. I heard an explanation once that seems to be true. Here or in most Western cultures, your neighbor has a cow and you don't, so you work hard so you can also have a cow. For Russians if your neighbor has a cow and you don't, you pray for his cow to die. Footballers that wear crucifixes and kiss them before each match? And then go out and kick the **** out of each other. Again, wierd. People who drive around with pictures of their wife and kids in a little frame that says underneath: "think of me" ? Love is a great force. Hardly scientific, ain't it? :-) No, but they are mostly cheaper than your typical snake oil gizmo. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick wrote: "Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 7:43 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Torresists" wrote in message ... Subject: Equalizers From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 8/19/2004 4:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Art "wetface" Sackman croaked: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Jim is a very bright guy who had the good sense and objectivity to very quickly figure out and become disgusted by Krueger and Ferstler's obvious agendas. I think that without any verifiable confirmation from Jim, this is just another one of Richman's lies. While Richman brags about the possibility of sharing a beer (etc.) with Jim in person, Nousaine and I actually did so. Did you snowball it? What does that mean? it is either A, B ,C, or D A) http://snowball.tartarus.org/ B) http://www-eps.harvard.edu/people/fa...all_paper.html C) http://tinyurl.com/2zp99 D) http://snowball.cs.columbia.edu/ I can't make up my mind Art, you want to give me another hint? Do you spit or swallow? "George" says you prefer to "take a facial". He also says he has pictures to prove it. Hey, you can draw any picture you want. Here are some crayons for you. http://www.crayola.com/kids/ Just squirt some "Elmer's Glue-all" on your face. That'll look pretty realistic 'til it dries. Yours might look good with superglue: http://www.the-squid.com/issue1/braceface.htm Ir sounds like Krueger, the noted history revisionist and liar about what others have actually said (see above) thinks that having a beer with Jim Johnston and Tom Nousaine is one of his most memorable accomplishments. It was nice of them to visit him during his institutionalization and bring along a sixpack. How come nobody visited you during your instituionalization? I understand that Michael McStupid will be dropping by next week with some duck sauce and yet another plea to Krueger to let him have the pictures. He just doesn't want to pay the blackmail money any longer and he's tired of being called a pathological liar. I understand that being a pthological liar is the only way you can get any attention. Bean counting isn't really much of a life, is it? When last seen, he was waddling around with a rather dazed, demented look on his face babbling about Standing Up For The Truth, EMails from mysterious strangers, and Getting Revenge via the Last Word. I like to get revenge by being right, you should try it. |
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