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Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? -John O |
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"John O" wrote...
Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? How are we defining "sound better"? What part of the sound needs improvement? For that matter, how are we monitoring the sound? Perhaps better monitor speakers would reveal that the sound is already better than we think? Does "easier" refer to the recording ("tracking") process, or to the editing ("mixdown") process? (or both?) How many simultaneous record channels seem "optimal" for this particular situation? 2?, 4?, 8? |
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On 26 maalis, 21:50, "John O"
wrote: Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Hey John, You're not explaining much about what kind of music, is it all acoustic he's micing etc. But from what I gather I'd say don't get a standalone recorder or something like that (if that's what you're asking about) because the computer (DAW) is the best platform for this and also upgradeable. SO it appears he has a passable computer. The internal soundcards usually suck pretty much for any serious audio work so the 1st thing I'd suggest he needs is a better soundcard, and make it an external one. You can get a pretty good external soundcard for under 200 bux. It also seems it's mostly stuff he records acousically, so the next order of business would be getting him a nice pair of condenser mics he can use for singing and such, as well as recording instruments in stereo. That should get you pretty close to 300 mark; Audacity/Kristal etc. will do him fine for a good stretch. I'd ditch any external verbs etc though; mics straight into a good soundcard, EQ and use FX from Audacity and Kristal and that's pretty well covered. Well actually; not ditch the Quadraverb...get a small mixer as well for monitoring and it can be used for monitoring verb when singing, easier to sing with verb that won't end up on the recording. Then going forward, a nice DAW program like Cubase, Audition etc. would be nice, maybe drum machines/synths...a lot of the stuff is availabe for free too in public domain. Hope this helps even a tad...I've been doing home studio stuff since early 90's with a helluva lot of different stuff, now with my PC and an external card plus a small mixer, preamp/compressor and some good mics and D/I guitar stuff. Cheers, Dee |
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Then going forward, a nice DAW program like Cubase, Audition etc. would be nice, maybe drum machines/synths...a lot of the stuff is availabe for free too in public domain. I'd say a better DAW is the very next step. You can do that in the next 1/2 hour.. Take a look at N-track studio. Mark |
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On Mar 26, 12:50*pm, "John O"
wrote: Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. |
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On Mar 26, 12:50*pm, "John O"
wrote: Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. |
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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean |
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"Sean Conolly" wrote in message ... "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever. I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer. Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant -John O |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote:
"Sean Conolly" wrote in message ... "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever. I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer. Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant -John O Listening to it on my low end laptop it doesn't sound too bad. I do hear a lot of noise before the recording starts and I can hear it during the song also, so the background noise is interfering with the quality. It sounds like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Remember, this is judged by a very low end "sound system." If it sounds like this on a good system you have a lot of work to do to clean it up. |
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John O wrote:
I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. It is. It's not really a multitrack program. Reaper is pretty sensible and seems to get good reports from just about everyone. I played with it for a while myself and though I didn't really need it, I thought it was pretty easy to understand and use. Soundcard is a good idea If this is in the plan, while it shouldn't necessarily be a criterion for choosing a particular sound card, many cards (or rather, interfaces, since few are actually cards that go in a computer any more) are bundled with a version of one of the popular commercial DAW programs. It's not unusual to find a "lite" version of Cubase or Sonar along with the hardware. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote:
"Sean Conolly" wrote in message ... "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever. I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer. You might be able to do both sound card and mixer at once by buying a USB mixer that bypasses the built in sound card. Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant -John O |
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On 27 maalis, 05:39, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote: "Sean Conolly" wrote in message .. . "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. *And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever. I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer. You might be able to do both sound card and mixer at once by buying a USB mixer that bypasses the built in sound card. Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible without a facebook account?http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant -John O Yep I'd go for something like that. And true; many soundcards come with Cubase LE for instance which is a really good program already. I use it on my laptop. At any rate with a decent external soundcard that has gain setting and pad and Phantom power and fx loop/monitor output you don't really need ANY other mixer whatsoever if the card just has enough inputs. Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. Just get a nice Presonus, M-Audio or so USB soundcard, preferably with more than 2 inputs, and a pair of decent CONDENSER mics like Samson C01 or something, a cheap kickdrum mic and an SM58 or 57 and the DAW program. I recently bought a flightcase with 2xC01 and a Samson QKick and 2 SM57 copies plus three tomtom mics for under $50 used and they're quite good enough for recording drums. Of course, if you're willing to bend laws, there'¨s a gazillion pieces of cracked software about in the net you can leech for free, but that'd be stealing. Cheers, Dee |
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"John O" wrote: Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? -John O How about $50 more? I'd suggest the Academic version of the Digidesign Mbox2. $350 for a hardware interface, mic pre's, midi, virtual instruments, Pro Tools software and a large bunch of nice plugs. http://www.swee****er.com/store/detail/Mbox2Edu/ Your local dealer can also sell you the Academic version. David Correia www.Celebrationsound.com |
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like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all places!!!!!!!!!!. It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the children!! George |
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
It sounds like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all places!!!!!!!!!!. It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the children!! George And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades? |
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"Michael Dobony" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote: It sounds like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all places!!!!!!!!!!. It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the children!! George And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades? is your humor plugin disabled? please go get laid or something, you take stuff way too serious if I had intended a hate filled tirade, don't you think I would have delivered one? |
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david correia wrote:
In article , "John O" wrote: Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? -John O How about $50 more? I'd suggest the Academic version of the Digidesign Mbox2. $350 for a hardware interface, mic pre's, midi, virtual instruments, Pro Tools software and a large bunch of nice plugs. http://www.swee****er.com/store/detail/Mbox2Edu/ Your local dealer can also sell you the Academic version. Seems like that'd be an excellent choice for a kid who is that serious about it. -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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"John O" wrote Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Well within your budget ($150) and includes multitrack software, check out: http://www.samsontech.com/products/p...fm?prodID=1917 or brand new design at $200 and $250 and no software http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...27-USB_content http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...42-USB_content |
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Michael Dobony wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote: It sounds like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all places!!!!!!!!!!. It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the children!! George And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades? A little projection there? No hate at all in George's post. Kind of funny, really. And of course, you have dropped in from aapl-s. Here is not there. -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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... "Sean Conolly" wrote in message ... "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John O wrote: My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money. Or at least some decent headphones. Sean Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever. I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not! I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer. Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant Just keep an open mind while shopping for gear. Check craigslist, ebay etc. A lot of times you can find something decent that's used for the price of something new and crappy. I wouldn't rule out a newer Behringer mixer, or one of the Yamaha MG boards if either were under $75. I paid maybe $125 for an E-Mu 0202 USB interface, just saw one on craigslist for $50. You can pick up an SM-57 and any one of the little cheap pencil condensor mics for around $75 each, and you'll have enough to good sounding recordings. The results will be a lot more limited by his knowledge than the gear, but that's also a good reason to go cheap when you start out. Don't spend money on 'good' gear until you've learned the difference - what will it do that you can't do already. Oh - yes, I'm one of the ones who loves Reaper - over Cubase, ProTools, and Audition. It's free to try, so turn him loose on it and see if he likes working with it. Sean |
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John O wrote:
Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at it... My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity, quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just messing around and sharing with his friends. He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right? -John O Which part is not up to snuff? There are a great many USB audio interfaces out there, and some are pretty good. And I'd consider Reaper to be an upgrade over Audacity. -- Les Cargill |
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"Michael Dobony" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote: It sounds like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz. Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all places!!!!!!!!!!. It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the children!! George And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades? Chill. The room was my basement. :-) -John O |
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Sean Conolly wrote:
Just keep an open mind while shopping for gear. Check craigslist, ebay etc. A lot of times you can find something decent that's used for the price of something new and crappy. But if he had to come here asking what to get, how would he know if something he saw on eBay was good? And you surely know by now that anything that's really good goes for a a "good" price on eBay. You can pick up a bargain on a Behringer, Yamaha, or Mackie mixer, but he's not going to find an Apogee converter for $150. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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On Mar 27, 1:19*am, DeeAa wrote:
snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. |
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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. |
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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. The most common reason Behringer and Mackies can sound "crap" is that the operator is not leaving enough headroom through the mixer. Don't light the yellow lights. They are quiet and when not driven into distortion, clean. These are not API's or Neves and they don't take well to hard driving of their summing and output circuitry. As Terry Manning says, "Yellow is the new red". -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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On Mar 29, 9:46*am, wrote:
On Mar 27, 1:19*am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. I'd stay away from Behringer products that have moving parts. I have a digital EQ but all the controls are digital. There are no moving parts except the select buttons. It works fine for my booth monitors at a theater. Their products that have moving parts don't hold up as well. I also love their ECM 8000 mics. I bought three. They're great spaced omni recording mics or for RTA setups. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw -John O |
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"John O" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw -John O I would take behringer of alesis for a small mixer, the alesis a church bought against my recommendation passed so much RF it was unuseable I have not had that issue with behringer I just bought a 1204 fx and it is actually quite nice, quiet and functions for a 100$ mixer, though as with any 100$ mixer I would not expect much more than 3years of service from it before it was just worn out george |
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"John O" wrote in
message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below. Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on 2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202. The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful: "Multichannel USB2.0 input and output – routes each individual channel’s output, plus the MAIN outputs, through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz digital audio." I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it. |
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"George's Pro Sound Company" wrote in message ... "John O" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw -John O I would take behringer of alesis for a small mixer, the alesis a church bought against my recommendation passed so much RF it was unuseable I have not had that issue with behringer I just bought a 1204 fx and it is actually quite nice, quiet and functions for a 100$ mixer, though as with any 100$ mixer I would not expect much more than 3years of service from it before it was just worn out george In three years he's hopefully graduated and can buy his own replacement. :-) Or he'll be a mega-star and he can buy one for me. LOL. I wonder if that Alesis was defective somehow. Thanks. -John O |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John O" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below. Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on 2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202. The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful: "Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs, through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz digital audio." I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it. mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference between the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive it back to WWBW in 25 minutes. OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals. -John O |
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"John O" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John O" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... wrote in message On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote: snip Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap. If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash heap. While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so bad. The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability, originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when functioning properly. Some more so than others. I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too. Walmart? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985 I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below. Beh or Alesis? http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on 2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202. The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful: "Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs, through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz digital audio." I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it. mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference between the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive it back to WWBW in 25 minutes. OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals. -John O Audio Technica 2020's should be about 75$ each if you can't find them for that I have two that have done just one show I would part with, as I can replace them for 68$ ea George |
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http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-and-DSP-63016...
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message "Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs, through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz digital audio." I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it. On Mar 31, 4:58 pm, "John O" wrote: mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference between the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive it back to WWBW in 25 minutes. Carefull now ! I don't see the description Arny is quoting in the ad for the 8USB. What I am seeing is ... "The MultiMix mixers also have USB audio, which allows direct computer audio interfacing for 16-bit simultaneous stereo input and output using standard recording software." This is an important distinction. I wonder which is correct ? rd |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on 2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202. My complaint with that system is that the Tape Outputs on the mixer can put out about 15 dB more than the interface can handle. If you put a piece of tape over the meters one LED above 0 VU (and keep the level below that) you can get a pretty clean recording, but that might not be enough level to drive the PA system to full house volume. They should have put a pad either on the Tape Outputs or on the inputs of the interface that they ship with the mixer. The one I got isn't a UCA202, it's a UCA200, without the monitor jack and volume pot. Since it's a different part than the one they sell as a stand-alone, it certainly could have been made to match the mixer better. But padding down the mixer's Tape Outputs would also help the Zoom generation. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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RD Jones wrote:
"The MultiMix mixers also have USB audio, which allows direct computer audio interfacing for 16-bit simultaneous stereo input and output using standard recording software." This is an important distinction. I wonder which is correct ? Alesis has both USB and Firewire mixers. The Firewire ones have individual channel outputs as well as a mix output. The USB ones have only the stereo mix output. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message ... John O wrote: OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals. MCA SP-1 $39.99 from http://www.pssl.com Get two of them, so he can learn how to use stereo overheads. If you search the r.a.p archives you can find plenty good talk about this silly cheap mic, a freak of nature. It is ridiculously better than it has any right to be. I have Schoeps, Beyer, Sennheiser, AKG, etc., and I have a pair of these, too. I tried searching, but the results are overwhelming! Thanks Hank, I do recall seeing these mentioned before, and I had them in mind when I posted this morning. -John O |
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John O wrote:
OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals. MCA SP-1 $39.99 from http://www.pssl.com Get two of them, so he can learn how to use stereo overheads. If you search the r.a.p archives you can find plenty good talk about this silly cheap mic, a freak of nature. It is ridiculously better than it has any right to be. I have Schoeps, Beyer, Sennheiser, AKG, etc., and I have a pair of these, too. -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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