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My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

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"John O" wrote...
Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right?


How are we defining "sound better"? What part of the sound needs
improvement? For that matter, how are we monitoring the sound?
Perhaps better monitor speakers would reveal that the sound is already
better than we think?

Does "easier" refer to the recording ("tracking") process, or to the
editing ("mixdown") process? (or both?)

How many simultaneous record channels seem "optimal" for this
particular situation? 2?, 4?, 8?


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Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

Hey John,

You're not explaining much about what kind of music, is it all
acoustic he's micing etc. But from what I gather I'd say don't get a
standalone recorder or something like that (if that's what you're
asking about) because the computer (DAW) is the best platform for this
and also upgradeable.

SO it appears he has a passable computer. The internal soundcards
usually suck pretty much for any serious audio work so the 1st thing
I'd suggest he needs is a better soundcard, and make it an external
one. You can get a pretty good external soundcard for under 200 bux.
It also seems it's mostly stuff he records acousically, so the next
order of business would be getting him a nice pair of condenser mics
he can use for singing and such, as well as recording instruments in
stereo. That should get you pretty close to 300 mark; Audacity/Kristal
etc. will do him fine for a good stretch. I'd ditch any external verbs
etc though; mics straight into a good soundcard, EQ and use FX from
Audacity and Kristal and that's pretty well covered.

Well actually; not ditch the Quadraverb...get a small mixer as well
for monitoring and it can be used for monitoring verb when singing,
easier to sing with verb that won't end up on the recording.

Then going forward, a nice DAW program like Cubase, Audition etc.
would be nice, maybe drum machines/synths...a lot of the stuff is
availabe for free too in public domain.

Hope this helps even a tad...I've been doing home studio stuff since
early 90's with a helluva lot of different stuff, now with my PC and
an external card plus a small mixer, preamp/compressor and some good
mics and D/I guitar stuff.

Cheers,

Dee
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Then going forward, a nice DAW program like Cubase, Audition etc.
would be nice, maybe drum machines/synths...a lot of the stuff is
availabe for free too in public domain.


I'd say a better DAW is the very next step. You can do that in the
next 1/2 hour..

Take a look at N-track studio.

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it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.



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Take a look at N-track studio


or Reaper
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it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.

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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?


Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.
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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?


Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.


Or at least some decent headphones.

Sean


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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for
just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?


Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.


Or at least some decent headphones.

Sean


Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones,
music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer,
agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for
guitar effects, or whatever.

I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he
needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer.

Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible
without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant

-John O




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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote:

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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for
just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.


Or at least some decent headphones.

Sean


Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones,
music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer,
agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for
guitar effects, or whatever.

I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he
needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer.

Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible
without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant

-John O


Listening to it on my low end laptop it doesn't sound too bad. I do hear a
lot of noise before the recording starts and I can hear it during the song
also, so the background noise is interfering with the quality. It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.
Remember, this is judged by a very low end "sound system." If it sounds
like this on a good system you have a lot of work to do to clean it up.
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John O wrote:

I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway.


It is. It's not really a multitrack program. Reaper is pretty sensible
and seems
to get good reports from just about everyone. I played with it for a
while myself
and though I didn't really need it, I thought it was pretty easy to
understand and use.

Soundcard is a good idea


If this is in the plan, while it shouldn't necessarily be a criterion
for choosing
a particular sound card, many cards (or rather, interfaces, since few are
actually cards that go in a computer any more) are bundled with a version
of one of the popular commercial DAW programs. It's not unusual to find a
"lite" version of Cubase or Sonar along with the hardware.


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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote:

"Sean Conolly" wrote in message
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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for
just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.


Or at least some decent headphones.

Sean


Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones,
music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer,
agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for
guitar effects, or whatever.

I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he
needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer.


You might be able to do both sound card and mixer at once by buying a USB
mixer that bypasses the built in sound card.

Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible
without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant

-John O

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On 27 maalis, 05:39, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:10:49 -0400, John O wrote:
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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for
just
messing around and sharing with his friends.


He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?


Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. *And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more money.


Or at least some decent headphones.


Sean


Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good phones,
music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a drummer,
agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the quardaverb for
guitar effects, or whatever.


I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he
needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer.


You might be able to do both sound card and mixer at once by buying a USB
mixer that bypasses the built in sound card.



Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible
without a facebook account?http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant


-John O


Yep I'd go for something like that. And true; many soundcards come
with Cubase LE for instance which is a really good program already. I
use it on my laptop. At any rate with a decent external soundcard that
has gain setting and pad and Phantom power and fx loop/monitor output
you don't really need ANY other mixer whatsoever if the card just has
enough inputs.

Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a
behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear
it's utter crap. Just get a nice Presonus, M-Audio or so USB
soundcard, preferably with more than 2 inputs, and a pair of decent
CONDENSER mics like Samson C01 or something, a cheap kickdrum mic and
an SM58 or 57 and the DAW program.

I recently bought a flightcase with 2xC01 and a Samson QKick and 2
SM57 copies plus three tomtom mics for under $50 used and they're
quite good enough for recording drums.

Of course, if you're willing to bend laws, there'¨s a gazillion pieces
of cracked software about in the net you can leech for free, but
that'd be stealing.

Cheers,

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Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

-John O




How about $50 more?

I'd suggest the Academic version of the Digidesign Mbox2. $350 for a
hardware interface, mic pre's, midi, virtual instruments, Pro Tools
software and a large bunch of nice plugs.


http://www.swee****er.com/store/detail/Mbox2Edu/


Your local dealer can also sell you the Academic version.






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It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.



Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all
places!!!!!!!!!!.
It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the
children!!
George


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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote:

It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.



Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all
places!!!!!!!!!!.
It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the
children!!
George


And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades?
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote:

It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.



Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all
places!!!!!!!!!!.
It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide
the
children!!
George


And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades?


is your humor plugin disabled?

please go get laid or something, you take stuff way too serious
if I had intended a hate filled tirade, don't you think I would have
delivered one?


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"John O" wrote:

Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

-John O




How about $50 more?

I'd suggest the Academic version of the Digidesign Mbox2. $350 for a
hardware interface, mic pre's, midi, virtual instruments, Pro Tools
software and a large bunch of nice plugs.


http://www.swee****er.com/store/detail/Mbox2Edu/


Your local dealer can also sell you the Academic version.


Seems like that'd be an excellent choice for a kid who is that serious
about it.

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"John O" wrote

Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300. There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

Well within your budget ($150) and includes multitrack
software, check out:
http://www.samsontech.com/products/p...fm?prodID=1917

or brand new design at $200 and $250 and no software
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...27-USB_content
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Produc...42-USB_content





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Michael Dobony wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote:

It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.



Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all
places!!!!!!!!!!.
It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide the
children!!
George


And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades?


A little projection there? No hate at all in George's post. Kind of
funny, really. And of course, you have dropped in from aapl-s. Here is
not there.

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John O wrote:
My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the
instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know,
you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for
just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe
$300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

Get him a better soundcard, and a cheap entry-level mixing console. And
whatever monitors he has, get better ones as soon as you have more
money.


Or at least some decent headphones.

Sean


Lots to chew on here, and great advice! The easy stuff: we have good
phones, music is blues/rock and whatever he makes up. He's primarily a
drummer, agree he needs a better mic or two for that. He can use the
quardaverb for guitar effects, or whatever.

I was thinking Audacity was a kludge for this type of work, but maybe not!
I'll check out Reaper and N-Track anyway. Soundcard is a good idea, and he
needs a basic mixer. Mic, soundcard, software, mixer.

Very good, I have lots to work with. This is his stuff. Is it accessible
without a facebook account? http://www.ilike.com/artist/Eric+Oliphant



Just keep an open mind while shopping for gear. Check craigslist, ebay etc.
A lot of times you can find something decent that's used for the price of
something new and crappy. I wouldn't rule out a newer Behringer mixer, or
one of the Yamaha MG boards if either were under $75. I paid maybe $125 for
an E-Mu 0202 USB interface, just saw one on craigslist for $50. You can
pick up an SM-57 and any one of the little cheap pencil condensor mics for
around $75 each, and you'll have enough to good sounding recordings.

The results will be a lot more limited by his knowledge than the gear, but
that's also a good reason to go cheap when you start out. Don't spend money
on 'good' gear until you've learned the difference - what will it do that
you can't do already.

Oh - yes, I'm one of the ones who loves Reaper - over Cubase, ProTools, and
Audition. It's free to try, so turn him loose on it and see if he likes
working with it.

Sean


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John O wrote:
Not sure of a better group for this question, if there is one point me at
it...

My son has been making multitrack recordings, playing all the instruments
himself. He's using the sound card built into an Intel mobo, Audacity,
quadraverb, a pile of cable adapters and an old EV ND-467. I know, you're
all wincing and cringing. Actually, the recording are not too bad for just
messing around and sharing with his friends.

He's good at this, so I'd like to get him a basic system that will sound
better and be easier for multitrack recording. Budget isn't big, maybe $300.
There must be something reasonable in that range, right?

-John O




Which part is not up to snuff? There are a great many USB audio
interfaces out there, and some are pretty good. And I'd consider
Reaper to be an upgrade over Audacity.

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:47:25 -0400, George's Pro Sound Company wrote:

It sounds
like it is being played in a club, so not inappropriate for jazz.



Yeah who would ever THINK that one could play Jazz in a CLUB of all
places!!!!!!!!!!.
It is a travesty I tell you, against the law , protect the women, hide
the
children!!
George


And I thought we were done with your hate-filled tirades?


Chill. The room was my basement. :-)

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Sean Conolly wrote:

Just keep an open mind while shopping for gear. Check craigslist, ebay etc.
A lot of times you can find something decent that's used for the price of
something new and crappy.


But if he had to come here asking what to get, how would he know if
something he saw on eBay was good? And you surely know by now that
anything that's really good goes for a a "good" price on eBay. You can
pick up a bargain on a Behringer, Yamaha, or Mackie mixer, but he's
not going to find an Apogee converter for $150.



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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a
behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear
it's utter crap.


While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a
quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so
bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability,
originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when
functioning properly.
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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust
me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even
there you can easily hear it's utter crap.


If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash
heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.


The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by
bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale value
but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.


Some more so than others.


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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a
behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear
it's utter crap.


While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a
quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so
bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability,
originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when
functioning properly.


The most common reason Behringer and Mackies can sound "crap" is that
the operator is not leaving enough headroom through the mixer.

Don't light the yellow lights. They are quiet and when not driven into
distortion, clean. These are not API's or Neves and they don't take well
to hard driving of their summing and output circuitry.

As Terry Manning says, "Yellow is the new red".

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On Mar 29, 9:46*am, wrote:
On Mar 27, 1:19*am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust me. I use a
behri mixer but only on monitoring and even there you can easily hear
it's utter crap.


While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer gear from a
quality standpoint, please explain what is that you hear that is so
bad. Behringer products are not famous for their reliability,
originality or resale value but they do work reasonably well when
functioning properly.


I'd stay away from Behringer products that have moving parts. I have a
digital EQ but all the controls are digital. There are no moving parts
except the select buttons. It works fine for my booth monitors at a
theater. Their products that have moving parts don't hold up as well.
I also love their ECM 8000 mics. I bought three. They're great spaced
omni recording mics or for RTA setups.
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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust
me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even
there you can easily hear it's utter crap.


If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash
heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.


The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by
bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale value
but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.


Some more so than others.


I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and remote
mixing all in one package. I like the price, too.

Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985

Beh or Alesis?
http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw

-John O




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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust
me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even
there you can easily hear it's utter crap.


If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the trash
heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.


The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by
bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale value
but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.


Some more so than others.


I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and
remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too.

Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985

Beh or Alesis?
http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw

-John O

I would take behringer of alesis for a small mixer, the alesis a church
bought against my recommendation passed so much RF it was unuseable
I have not had that issue with behringer
I just bought a 1204 fx and it is actually quite nice, quiet and functions
for a 100$ mixer, though as with any 100$ mixer I would not expect much
more than 3years of service from it before it was just worn out
george


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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff.
Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring
and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap.


If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer
would be in the trash heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.


The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio
experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale
value but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.


Some more so than others.


I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him
recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like
the price, too.
Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985


I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below.

Beh or Alesis?


http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw


I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on
2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202.

The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful:

"Multichannel USB2.0 input and output – routes each
individual channel’s output, plus the MAIN outputs,
through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back
from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
digital audio."

I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it.


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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff. Trust
me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring and even
there you can easily hear it's utter crap.

If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer would be in the
trash heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.

The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio experts by
bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale value
but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.

Some more so than others.


I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him recording and
remote mixing all in one package. I like the price, too.

Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985

Beh or Alesis?
http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw

-John O

I would take behringer of alesis for a small mixer, the alesis a church
bought against my recommendation passed so much RF it was unuseable
I have not had that issue with behringer
I just bought a 1204 fx and it is actually quite nice, quiet and functions
for a 100$ mixer, though as with any 100$ mixer I would not expect much
more than 3years of service from it before it was just worn out
george


In three years he's hopefully graduated and can buy his own replacement. :-)
Or he'll be a mega-star and he can buy one for me. LOL. I wonder if that
Alesis was defective somehow. Thanks.

-John O




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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff.
Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring
and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap.

If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer
would be in the trash heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.

The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio
experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale
value but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.

Some more so than others.


I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him
recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like
the price, too.
Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985


I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below.

Beh or Alesis?


http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw


I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on
2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202.

The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful:

"Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each
individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs,
through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back
from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
digital audio."

I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it.


mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O
channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference between
the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive it back
to WWBW in 25 minutes.


OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be
used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals.

-John O


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On Mar 27, 1:19 am, DeeAa wrote:
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Stay far away from Behringer, Alto and such stuff.
Trust me. I use a behri mixer but only on monitoring
and even there you can easily hear it's utter crap.

If that was really true, the little Behringer mixer
would be in the trash heap.

While it may be good advice to stay away from Behringer
gear from a quality standpoint, please explain what is
that you hear that is so bad.

The whining of all those who puff themselves up as audio
experts by bad-mouthing Behringer gear.

Behringer products are not
famous for their reliability, originality or resale
value but they do work reasonably well when functioning
properly.

Some more so than others.

I think a USB mixer is just the ticket, this gives him
recording and remote mixing all in one package. I like
the price, too.
Walmart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10333985


I got it for that price via Amazon with free shipping, but see below.

Beh or Alesis?


http://www.wwbw.com/Alesis-MultiMix-...-i1153370.wwbw


I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on
2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202.

The USB interface in the Alesis is far more powerful:

"Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each
individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs,
through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back
from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
digital audio."

I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it.


mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O
channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference
between the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive
it back to WWBW in 25 minutes.


OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be
used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals.

-John O

Audio Technica 2020's
should be about 75$ each
if you can't find them for that I have two that have done just one show I
would part with, as I can replace them for 68$ ea
George





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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message


"Multichannel USB2.0 input and output - routes each
individual channel's output, plus the MAIN outputs,
through the USB2.0 port, and receives two channels back
from the computer, all in 24-bit, 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
digital audio."


I have a friend who has the Firewire version and is very happy with it.


On Mar 31, 4:58 pm, "John O"
wrote:
mmmm, USB 2.0 (I hope they really mean High-Speed) and lots of I/O
channels...this is talking my language now. That's a big difference between
the two units. WWBW has free shipping too. If it sucks I can drive it back
to WWBW in 25 minutes.


Carefull now !
I don't see the description Arny is quoting in the ad for the 8USB.
What I am seeing is ...

"The MultiMix mixers also have USB audio, which allows
direct computer audio interfacing for 16-bit simultaneous
stereo input and output using standard recording software."

This is an important distinction. I wonder which is correct ?

rd
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Arny Krueger wrote:

I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204, and the USB part is a separate add-on
2-channel record/play 44/16 part AKA the UCA 202.


My complaint with that system is that the Tape Outputs on the mixer can
put out
about 15 dB more than the interface can handle. If you put a piece of
tape over the
meters one LED above 0 VU (and keep the level below that) you can get a
pretty
clean recording, but that might not be enough level to drive the PA
system to full
house volume. They should have put a pad either on the Tape Outputs or
on the
inputs of the interface that they ship with the mixer.

The one I got isn't a UCA202, it's a UCA200, without the monitor jack
and volume pot.
Since it's a different part than the one they sell as a stand-alone, it
certainly could have
been made to match the mixer better. But padding down the mixer's Tape
Outputs
would also help the Zoom generation.

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RD Jones wrote:

"The MultiMix mixers also have USB audio, which allows
direct computer audio interfacing for 16-bit simultaneous
stereo input and output using standard recording software."

This is an important distinction. I wonder which is correct ?


Alesis has both USB and Firewire mixers. The Firewire ones have
individual channel outputs as well as a mix output. The USB ones
have only the stereo mix output.

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John O wrote:

OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be
used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals.


MCA SP-1 $39.99 from http://www.pssl.com

Get two of them, so he can learn how to use stereo overheads.

If you search the r.a.p archives you can find plenty good talk about
this silly cheap mic, a freak of nature. It is ridiculously better than
it has any right to be.

I have Schoeps, Beyer, Sennheiser, AKG, etc., and I have a pair of
these, too.


I tried searching, but the results are overwhelming! Thanks Hank, I do
recall seeing these mentioned before, and I had them in mind when I posted
this morning.

-John O


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OK, mics. He needs a decent general purpose mic for about $100. It'll be
used mainly for overhead drums, acoustic guitar and vocals.


MCA SP-1 $39.99 from http://www.pssl.com

Get two of them, so he can learn how to use stereo overheads.

If you search the r.a.p archives you can find plenty good talk about
this silly cheap mic, a freak of nature. It is ridiculously better than
it has any right to be.

I have Schoeps, Beyer, Sennheiser, AKG, etc., and I have a pair of
these, too.

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