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In my quest for ways to increase my earning potential (and to stay in
the recording business!) a friend suggested that I look into becoming an audio forensics dude. Do any of you folks have experience, strength and/or hope to share? He pointed me in the direction of these guys: http://www.tracertek.com/index.asp?P...ROD&ProdID=122 They make software that is supposed to be comparable to the mega-buck software that the big kids (whoever they are!) use and they also offer training in using their system. Unfortunately it's PC only (I'm a Mac dude), but we have an HP laptop that I could use w/ Windows XP-Pro and I have a MOTU 828 MK. II, which might work... Any thoughts? Gantt |
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" wrote: In my quest for ways to increase my earning potential (and to stay in the recording business!) a friend suggested that I look into becoming an audio forensics dude. And where would you expect to pick up this kind of work, given that you have no experience in it ? Graham |
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Phrases like "the big kids" and "Mac dude" are expressions that I use
to lighten things up a little in my posts. I don't post here much and, apparently, my style doesn't go over well with some of you folks. While I am, no doubt, nowhere near Wes Dooley's level in the audio industry, I have been working and making my living recording and mixing music for the last 20 years. I'm 56 years old and my studio has slowed down enough to make be realize that I need to broaden my horizons if I'm going to be able to continue to support my wife and two children. I will follow your link and I appreciate any and all information I can gather while researching this. Your sarcasm isn't necessary. Thanks, Gantt On May 5, 9:49*pm, Tmaki wrote: Wes Dooley is one. But I certainly wouldn't classify Wes as a kid or "dude" with any inflection. He's written a bit that you might find thought-provoking, challenging, daunting, discouraging, or perhaps encouraging depending where you are on the "dude" scale: http://www.wesdooley.com/aea/FAREC.html Good luck...dude. TM |
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A good question. Scott's suggestion to find someone to work with and
learn from seems like a very good one. I also have friends in law enforcement who can hopefully give me some guidence. Thanks, Gantt On May 5, 9:53*pm, Eeyore wrote: And where would you expect to pick up this kind of work, given that you have no experience in it ? Graham |
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Let's start over.
Thanks for the Wes Dooley link. I'm going to print it out and read it later. I may, indeed, get discouraged from this idea, but I'll learn something new, one way or the other. I have a 10 year old son who calls me "dude" all the time. He thinks it's funny. Ah well. Thanks, Gantt On May 5, 10:17*pm, Tmaki wrote: wrote: Phrases like "the big kids" and "Mac dude" are expressions that I use to lighten things up a little in my posts. "Dude" always conjures up an image of something out of "Wayne's World" or "Dumb and Dumber". Hard to imagine a 56-yr-old man in terms of "dude". I'm 58, been in the business 37 years, and kind of consider any kind of "-dude" not a serious player. But you might be the exception. I use sarcasm to lighten things up a little in my posts. Apparently, my style doesn't go over well with some of you folks. Carry on... TM |
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... A good question. Scott's suggestion to find someone to work with and learn from seems like a very good one. I also have friends in law enforcement who can hopefully give me some guidence. I think that'd be a good way to go. I'd also add that, like most things in audio, the person handling the software is really more crucial than the software. That said, the stuff from Tracertek seems useful, although clunky in its user interface. The big guys, by the way, tend to use things like Cedar. I've used the Tracertek products for cleaning up 78s rather than forensic work, and it's useful there if you use it with restraint. That might not be the M.O. for forensics, though. Peace, Paul |
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I just finished reading Wes Dooley's white paper. So far I'm more
intrigued than discouraged but I can see that the water is deep and different! I'm going to go looking for an Forensic Audio person in the DC/Maryland area. Gantt On May 5, 9:49*pm, Tmaki wrote: http://www.wesdooley.com/aea/FAREC.html TM |
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"Tmaki" wrote in message ... Hey, my 50-, 55-, and 60-year-old friends and I call each other "Dude" in just about every other sentence. We call each other "Hoser" and "Douche-bag", too. (Our wives and ladies just roll their eyes...) Didn't mean to be hard on you. Trying to visualize a courtroom, "Your Honor, the tape presented as evidence was electronically enhanced and was certified as genuine by Forensic Audio Dude here in town. We could call Mr. Dude at FAD to give personal testimony to that effect if it pleases the Court." The Dude abides. Glenn D. |
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In my quest for ways to increase my earning potential (and to stay in the recording business!) a friend suggested that I look into becoming an audio forensics dude. Do any of you folks have experience, strength and/or hope to share? He pointed me in the direction of these guys: http://www.tracertek.com/index.asp?P...ROD&ProdID=122 They make software that is supposed to be comparable to the mega-buck software that the big kids (whoever they are!) use and they also offer training in using their system. Unfortunately it's PC only (I'm a Mac dude), but we have an HP laptop that I could use w/ Windows XP-Pro and I have a MOTU 828 MK. II, which might work... Any thoughts? I would think that the trick would be to have connections with law enforcement agencies and lawyers who need this sort of work done. |
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That would be awesome! You can email me w/ whatever you discover -
ganttmann at comcast dot net. Thanks! Gantt On May 6, 11:44*am, Tmaki wrote: My step-daughter works in the Fraud and Criminal Investigation department of the IRS. Want me to ask her who they use? :-) TM |
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Other than the money... Do you have any true interest in doing this work? Do
you feel a calling for it? If not... why bother? |
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Other than the money? I don't know. The research I've done so far
has been intriguing. Do I feel a calling for it? I've always known that what I love doing the most is playing guitar. In spite of having spent the better part of the last 44 years practicing, learning and playing every chance I got, I can't make anything that resembles a living playing guitar. I may just not be good enough. I may not live in an area that has the kind of opportunities that translate into making a decent living. Who knows? The facts are that I have a family to support, I have 20 years of experience as an audio professional and I'm looking for ways to increase my earning power. Not too long ago I was contemplating becoming a Cisco certified network engineer. I have no idea where this will all lead! Gantt On May 6, 8:38*pm, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Other than the money... Do you have any true interest in doing this work? Do you feel a calling for it? If not... why bother? |
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Mogens V. wrote:
wrote: Other than the money? I don't know. The research I've done so far has been intriguing. Do I feel a calling for it? I've always known that what I love doing the most is playing guitar. In spite of having spent the better part of the last 44 years practicing, learning and playing every chance I got, I can't make anything that resembles a living playing guitar. I may just not be good enough. I may not live in an area that has the kind of opportunities that translate into making a decent living. Who knows? The facts are that I have a family to support, I have 20 years of experience as an audio professional and I'm looking for ways to increase my earning power. Not too long ago I was contemplating becoming a Cisco certified network engineer. I have no idea where this will all lead! If you're looking for serious income increase, just obtaining a Cisco CCNA will greatly boost your chance for a very decent job. Work a year or two like that, while aquiring a CCNP, and you'll make serious money. Yeah, but don't you actually have to use IOS? You couldn't pay me enough money to deal with that stuff... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Mogens V. wrote: wrote: Other than the money? I don't know. The research I've done so far has been intriguing. Do I feel a calling for it? I've always known that what I love doing the most is playing guitar. In spite of having spent the better part of the last 44 years practicing, learning and playing every chance I got, I can't make anything that resembles a living playing guitar. I may just not be good enough. I may not live in an area that has the kind of opportunities that translate into making a decent living. Who knows? The facts are that I have a family to support, I have 20 years of experience as an audio professional and I'm looking for ways to increase my earning power. Not too long ago I was contemplating becoming a Cisco certified network engineer. I have no idea where this will all lead! If you're looking for serious income increase, just obtaining a Cisco CCNA will greatly boost your chance for a very decent job. Work a year or two like that, while aquiring a CCNP, and you'll make serious money. Yeah, but don't you actually have to use IOS? You couldn't pay me enough money to deal with that stuff... --scott Yes you do. The trick is of cause to get into a business actually using Cisco who'll preferably pay for the cert, or, once you at least have access to work with it, selfstudy. I took the two one-week cources, but started on a new job three days later, so to read up on it and actually study, I use Dynamips which runs actual IOS's in a virtual setup. You'll need real IOS images, which is where Cisco makes the money Or search the c.u.s NG for which 4-5 routers/switches to shop used. IOW, when not having a Cisco job, it's a matter of paying to get there and stay focused/dedicated, knowing income will follow. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. |
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Mogens V. wrote:
You'll need real IOS images, which is where Cisco makes the money Or search the c.u.s NG for which 4-5 routers/switches to shop used. Typo, I meant the c.d.s.c NG.. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. |
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You know, I'm still open to the idea of being a network engineer by
day, recording engineer by night and a guitar player on the weekends. My concern about getting the Cisco training is that, at 56 years of age, I'd have a hard time getting the security clearances that, I've been told, are key to making really good money. I'm also wide open to any and all suggestions and ideas about how to find other ways of using my experience playing and recording music to earn more money in this somewhat subdued economy. gantt On May 8, 12:33*pm, "Mogens V." wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Mogens V. wrote: wrote: Other than the money? *I don't know. *The research I've done so far has been intriguing. *Do I feel a calling for it? *I've always known that what I love doing the most is playing guitar. *In spite of having spent the better part of the last 44 years practicing, learning and playing every chance I got, I can't make anything that resembles a living playing guitar. *I may just not be good enough. *I may not live in an area that has the kind of opportunities that translate into making a decent living. *Who knows? *The facts are that I have a family to support, I have 20 years of experience as an audio professional and I'm looking for ways to increase my earning power. Not too long ago I was contemplating becoming a Cisco certified network engineer. I have no idea where this will all lead! If you're looking for serious income increase, just obtaining a Cisco CCNA will greatly boost your chance for a very decent job. Work a year or two like that, while aquiring a CCNP, and you'll make serious money. Yeah, but don't you actually have to use IOS? *You couldn't pay me enough money to deal with that stuff... --scott Yes you do. The trick is of cause to get into a business actually using Cisco who'll preferably pay for the cert, or, once you at least have access to work with it, selfstudy. I took the two one-week cources, but started on a new job three days later, so to read up on it and actually study, I use Dynamips which runs actual IOS's in a virtual setup. You'll need real IOS images, which is where Cisco makes the money Or search the c.u.s NG for which 4-5 routers/switches to shop used. IOW, when not having a Cisco job, it's a matter of paying to get there and stay focused/dedicated, knowing income will follow. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. |
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wrote: You know, I'm still open to the idea of being a network engineer by day, recording engineer by night and a guitar player on the weekends. My concern about getting the Cisco training is that, at 56 years of age, I'd have a hard time getting the security clearances that, I've been told, are key to making really good money. I'm also wide open to any and all suggestions and ideas about how to find other ways of using my experience playing and recording music to earn more money in this somewhat subdued economy. gantt On May 8, 12:33*pm, "Mogens V." wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Mogens V. wrote: wrote: Other than the money? *I don't know. *The research I've done so far has been intriguing. *Do I feel a calling for it? *I've always known that what I love doing the most is playing guitar. *In spite of having spent the better part of the last 44 years practicing, learning and playing every chance I got, I can't make anything that resembles a living playing guitar. *I may just not be good enough. *I may not live in an area that has the kind of opportunities that translate into making a decent living. *Who knows? *The facts are that I have a family to support, I have 20 years of experience as an audio professional and I'm looking for ways to increase my earning power. Not too long ago I was contemplating becoming a Cisco certified network engineer. I have no idea where this will all lead! If you're looking for serious income increase, just obtaining a Cisco CCNA will greatly boost your chance for a very decent job. Work a year or two like that, while aquiring a CCNP, and you'll make serious money.. Yeah, but don't you actually have to use IOS? *You couldn't pay me enough money to deal with that stuff... --scott Yes you do. The trick is of cause to get into a business actually using Cisco who'll preferably pay for the cert, or, once you at least have access to work with it, selfstudy. I took the two one-week cources, but started on a new job three days later, so to read up on it and actually study, I use Dynamips which runs actual IOS's in a virtual setup. You'll need real IOS images, which is where Cisco makes the money Or search the c.u.s NG for which 4-5 routers/switches to shop used. IOW, when not having a Cisco job, it's a matter of paying to get there and stay focused/dedicated, knowing income will follow. -- Kind regards, Mogens V.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In another life, I did some forensic engineering work for the vaunted Bolt Beranek and Newman - now Ascentech of Cambridge MA. In order to turn your interest in forensic audio into an income stream, you will have to create a credibility stream first - meaning, you will have to establish your reputation. To have the veracity and weight in a court setting, you will have to be credible to a wide range of court-related individuals, not the least of which are attorneys you will work for, opposing attorneys, judges, opposing forensic experts, district attorneys, attorneys general (I was grilled by an assistant attorney general in one such situation) and other high-powered individuals. Your involvement will have to be broader than just using a piece of software to analyze the contents of a digital audio file. Even if you are only analyzing audio files, you will have to do so within the broader context of a court case. Only a broad background will allow you to do that in a convincing and accurate way. So, you may wish to find out what acoustical consulting firms are doing this kind of work and take a position with them for some period of time until such time that you can seriously establish your reputation. Then, you can start your own practice and use it for one of several income streams. Good luck, -Steve Greene |
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Thanks, Steve. That makes good sense. I'm going to do some research
about local companies that do FA work Gantt On May 28, 5:53*pm, sTeeVee wrote: - Show quoted text - In another life, I did some forensic engineering work for the vaunted Bolt Beranek and Newman - now Ascentech of Cambridge MA. In order to turn your interest in forensic audio into an income stream, you will have to create a credibility stream first - meaning, you will have to establish your reputation. To have the veracity and weight in a court setting, you will have to be credible to a wide range of court-related individuals, not the least of which are attorneys you will work for, opposing attorneys, judges, opposing forensic experts, district attorneys, attorneys general (I was grilled by an assistant attorney general in one such situation) and other high-powered individuals. Your involvement will have to be broader than just using a piece of software to analyze the contents of a digital audio file. Even if you are only analyzing audio files, you will have to do so within the broader context of a court case. Only a broad background will allow you to do that in a convincing and accurate way. So, you may wish to find out what acoustical consulting firms are doing this kind of work and take a position with them for some period of time until such time that you can seriously establish your reputation. Then, you can start your own practice and use it for one of several income streams. Good luck, -Steve Greene |
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