Harold, this question should be right up your alley, even though it's in
the nature of what you quaintly call "shopping advice". I will note, note,
that advice about my question is welcome from anybody, including Ferstler,
but I will also utter the caveat that any response from Krooger will be
dismissed summarily.

I want to upgrade my surround preamp. My Lexicon is getting long in the
tooth, and I might want to try out 7.1 or 7.2 surround. (Don't have the
speakers yet, but I'll have to match my existing speakers, so that's not
really an issue.) My other priorities are minimal -- I don't need a phono
stage, I don't need Zone 2 distribution, and I don't need dual subs. A
tuner would be a plus, a learning remote is unnecessary, but OSD is
valuable to me. Another plus would be component video switching.

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Harold, this question should be right up your alley, even though it's in
the nature of what you quaintly call "shopping advice". I will note, note,
that advice about my question is welcome from anybody, including Ferstler,
but I will also utter the caveat that any response from Krooger will be
dismissed summarily.

I want to upgrade my surround preamp. My Lexicon is getting long in the
tooth, and I might want to try out 7.1 or 7.2 surround. (Don't have the
speakers yet, but I'll have to match my existing speakers, so that's not
really an issue.) My other priorities are minimal -- I don't need a phono
stage, I don't need Zone 2 distribution, and I don't need dual subs. A
tuner would be a plus, a learning remote is unnecessary, but OSD is
valuable to me. Another plus would be component video switching.

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

Shop around for a more recent Lexicon unit (possibly used),
although I will admit that the models that followed the DC-1
got more and more out of reach for guys like you and me.
Actually, that DC-1 ought to still be pretty competitive
when it comes to musical work. But, yes, if you want
component switching you need an upgrade.

A big Yamaha receiver (a used RX-Z1, for example) would work
just fine. It would also include DPL II, although not the
latest IIx version. The very latest RX-Z9 receiver is a bit
rich for my blood, but maybe you can afford it. Unlike all
previous Yamaha units, it is THX Ultra certified.

Yeah, I like Yamaha, mainly because it seems to have the
best balance for working with two-channel music sources and
simulating surround sound. However, the Lexicon Music Logic
function is still a fabulous feature, and the DC-1 does have
that, as do the later versions.

Howard Ferstler

Poor Howard Ferstler said:

Harold, this question should be right up your alley, even though it's in
the nature of what you quaintly call "shopping advice". I will note, note,
that advice about my question is welcome from anybody, including Ferstler,
but I will also utter the caveat that any response from Krooger will be
dismissed summarily.

I want to upgrade my surround preamp. My Lexicon is getting long in the
tooth, and I might want to try out 7.1 or 7.2 surround. (Don't have the
speakers yet, but I'll have to match my existing speakers, so that's not
really an issue.) My other priorities are minimal -- I don't need a phono
stage, I don't need Zone 2 distribution, and I don't need dual subs. A
tuner would be a plus, a learning remote is unnecessary, but OSD is
valuable to me. Another plus would be component video switching.

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

Shop around for a more recent Lexicon unit (possibly used),
although I will admit that the models that followed the DC-1
got more and more out of reach for guys like you and me.
Actually, that DC-1 ought to still be pretty competitive
when it comes to musical work. But, yes, if you want
component switching you need an upgrade.

Harold, you nitwit, I don't have a DC-1.


A big Yamaha receiver (a used RX-Z1, for example) would work
just fine. It would also include DPL II, although not the
latest IIx version. The very latest RX-Z9 receiver is a bit
rich for my blood, but maybe you can afford it. Unlike all
previous Yamaha units, it is THX Ultra certified.

Yuck.

Yeah, I like Yamaha, mainly because it seems to have the
best balance for working with two-channel music sources and
simulating surround sound. However, the Lexicon Music Logic
function is still a fabulous feature, and the DC-1 does have
that, as do the later versions.

God, you are out of touch.

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Poor Howard Ferstler said:

Harold, this question should be right up your alley, even though it's in
the nature of what you quaintly call "shopping advice". I will note, note,
that advice about my question is welcome from anybody, including Ferstler,
but I will also utter the caveat that any response from Krooger will be
dismissed summarily.

I want to upgrade my surround preamp. My Lexicon is getting long in the
tooth, and I might want to try out 7.1 or 7.2 surround. (Don't have the
speakers yet, but I'll have to match my existing speakers, so that's not
really an issue.) My other priorities are minimal -- I don't need a phono
stage, I don't need Zone 2 distribution, and I don't need dual subs. A
tuner would be a plus, a learning remote is unnecessary, but OSD is
valuable to me. Another plus would be component video switching.

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

Shop around for a more recent Lexicon unit (possibly used),
although I will admit that the models that followed the DC-1
got more and more out of reach for guys like you and me.
Actually, that DC-1 ought to still be pretty competitive
when it comes to musical work. But, yes, if you want
component switching you need an upgrade.

Harold, you nitwit, I don't have a DC-1.

Hmmmm. I could swear that somewhere in the past I read where
you had a DC-1. If you do not, too bad. You do not know what
you are missing.

A big Yamaha receiver (a used RX-Z1, for example) would work
just fine. It would also include DPL II, although not the
latest IIx version. The very latest RX-Z9 receiver is a bit
rich for my blood, but maybe you can afford it. Unlike all
previous Yamaha units, it is THX Ultra certified.

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit and have
listened to it extensively and compared it closely with
other models. I did this, by the way, and even compared the
older DSP-A1 version (an integrated amp, actually, and not a
receiver) against the DC-1. Did a regular series of A/B
comparisons between the front-channel steering abilities of
each unit. Too bad you missed those.

Yeah, I like Yamaha, mainly because it seems to have the
best balance for working with two-channel music sources and
simulating surround sound. However, the Lexicon Music Logic
function is still a fabulous feature, and the DC-1 does have
that, as do the later versions.

God, you are out of touch.

I am pretty sure that all you wanted to initially do with
your post was set me up for some of your typically mean,
petty, and proto-witty comments.

I should have known.

Howard Ferstler

Brother Horace the Clueless whined:

Harold, you nitwit, I don't have a DC-1.

Hmmmm. I could swear that somewhere in the past I read where
you had a DC-1. If you do not, too bad. You do not know what
you are missing.

That's like saying if you don't have a Chevy Monte Carlo, you don't know
what you're missing. Even if you drive a 911. You are *so* clueless. If the
Clue Store called to say they were having a 2-for-1 special, you'd probably
say you can only afford one clue.


A big Yamaha receiver

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit

Dork. It's too expensive even on top of being not what I want.

against the DC-1.

Idiot.

the DC-1

God, you are out of touch.

I am pretty sure that all you wanted to initially do with
your post was set me up for some of your typically mean,
petty, and proto-witty comments.

Not true, moron. I was hoping you'd have some advice on obtaining
comparable performance to my Lexicon but with some of the newer surround
features.

I should have known.

No, I should have known.

I've already done some of my own research. The best choices I've found
under $1500 are Adcom, Rotel, and Marantz. Of course you don't know
anything about any of their models, being both clueless and useless. Do you
know where the Outlaw 950 falls short?

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Brother Horace the Clueless whined:

A big Yamaha receiver

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit

Dork. It's too expensive even on top of being not what I want.

So, your "Yuck" is conjecture.

against the DC-1.

Idiot.

OK, so I do not closely follow your purchasing decisions.
So, just what Lexicon unit do you own? I am pretty certain
that someone here, quite some time ago, said that you owned
a DC-1. If you have one of the earlier units it is time to
upgrade. If you have one of the later processors, you will
be a fool to upgrade at this time.

I am pretty sure that all you wanted to initially do with
your post was set me up for some of your typically mean,
petty, and proto-witty comments.

Not true, moron.

Mean, petty, and proto-witty. I rest my case.

I've already done some of my own research. The best choices I've found
under $1500 are Adcom, Rotel, and Marantz. Of course you don't know
anything about any of their models, being both clueless and useless.

I have not reviewed any of them. However, assuming that they
have the usual required features (especially DPL II, if you
are truly interested in music reproduction), any of them
should work just fine.

Do you
know where the Outlaw 950 falls short?

I reviewed the 1050 receiver in issue 86 of The Sensible
Sound. I did find some problems (some of them rather odd),
but you will have to read the review to see what they were.
As for the 950, I have no idea of its capabilities.

Howard Ferstler

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:39:56 -0500, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit and have
listened to it extensively and compared it closely with
other models.

You mean like you are with Quad speakers, right?

dave weil said:

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit and have
listened to it extensively and compared it closely with
other models.

You mean like you are with Quad speakers, right?

Ferstler's Law of Pompous Pronunciamentos states that unless you've read
every single article he's ever written for any magazine anywhere, you can't
know for sure what his opinions are.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:39:56 -0500, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

Yuck.

No doubt you are very familiar with the unit and have
listened to it extensively and compared it closely with
other models.

You mean like you are with Quad speakers, right?

We do need to remember that I never bad mouthed those
speakers and never said that they would not stand up against
competing models. I left the topic open.

What I did say is that on a tape I have of a Floyd Toole
lecture he did not have much good to say about Quad
speakers. Given his feelings about imaging, soundstaging,
flat response, and controlled dispersion, one would have to
wonder about what the Quads could do that would matter to
objective listeners.

But, who knows, perhaps they are sensational.

Howard Ferstler

In article , "George M. Middius"
wrote:

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

Doesn't make quite such a big dent in your welfare check, you mean.

Maybe you can find a hifi dealer that takes food stamps!

Bob

Robert Morein wrote:

In article , "George M. Middius"
wrote:

The main concern is price. I'm open to buying used; in fact, that's my
preference, since it's favorable in terms of bang for the buck.

Doesn't make quite such a big dent in your welfare check, you mean.

Maybe you can find a hifi dealer that takes food stamps!

Bob

An appropriate response to questions from a guy like
Middius, and much more in line with what I should have said
to him, instead of taking him seriously.

Howard Ferstler

Brother Horace "Bwian is my hero" the Overly Dim said:

An appropriate response to questions from a guy like

You are officially pals with RAO's resident psychopath. And Krooger the
pedophile, of course. Does that give you a warm fuzzy, Clerkie?

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...



You are officially pals with RAO's resident psychopath. And Krooger the
pedophile, of course. Does that give you a warm fuzzy, Clerkie?


I don't think so, being that Howie is a bit past 14.



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