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de-esser - which is the absolute best in your opinion
No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why
weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 your favorite compressor + sidechain EQ ??? yes - I'm in the market and using google until the giganews account is accessable - my comcast account is in "area 51" with a service issue bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 dbx 902, without a doubt, IMNSFHO. As to why? Well, geez, they just work better in terms of sibliance removal than anything else out there without ripping the rest of the signal to shreds. #2 is the Valley 415, one of which I have and unfortunately do not find myself using due to the fact that I'm pretty much on 100% software processing now. Neil Henderson |
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dbx 902. If you can find one...
No color added... Real EZ to use... I have to thank Fletcher for suggesting that one... What ever happened to that guy...? -- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 your favorite compressor + sidechain EQ ??? yes - I'm in the market and using google until the giganews account is accessable - my comcast account is in "area 51" with a service issue bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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"Neil Henderson" wrote in message . com... wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 dbx 902, without a doubt, IMNSFHO. As to why? Well, geez, they just work better in terms of sibliance removal than anything else out there without ripping the rest of the signal to shreds. #2 is the Valley 415, one of which I have and unfortunately do not find myself using due to the fact that I'm pretty much on 100% software processing now. Neil Henderson I hope Roger Norman posts to this thread so everyone that I've gotten to know on RAP that I've recorded drum tracks for will be in it! ( well, I haven't actually recorded anything for Neil yet . . .but very soon . . . . .. ) John L Rice |
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What are the best software De-Essers?
Would using a different mic be a potential solution? John Phillips "Neil Henderson" wrote in message . com... wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 dbx 902, without a doubt, IMNSFHO. As to why? Well, geez, they just work better in terms of sibliance removal than anything else out there without ripping the rest of the signal to shreds. #2 is the Valley 415, one of which I have and unfortunately do not find myself using due to the fact that I'm pretty much on 100% software processing now. Neil Henderson |
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"John Phillips" wrote in message om... What are the best software De-Essers? My personal favorite is the Spitfish from: http://www.digitalfishphones.com And remarkably, it's FREE! Would using a different mic be a potential solution? Yes, sometimes... or also not using as much compression going to track, if you happen to be doing so. It obviously depends partially on the singer, though - some people are just more sibilant than others. Neil Henderson |
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Neil Henderson wrote:
"John Phillips" wrote in message om... What are the best software De-Essers? My personal favorite is the Spitfish from: http://www.digitalfishphones.com And remarkably, it's FREE! Would using a different mic be a potential solution? Yes, sometimes... or also not using as much compression going to track, if you happen to be doing so. It obviously depends partially on the singer, though - some people are just more sibilant than others. Neil Henderson Using a different mic or changing the talent would be my first choice. I've never really needed a de-esser for music work. I'm doing spoken voices that get put in products where the voice talents are speaking their respective languages and I don't have as much say about the talent selection. In other words, I have to work with what is sent. Usually I hand edit the offending shrill phrase but when I get a lot of them it can be tedious. I'm looking for a less labor intensive way of fixing, say 80% of the shrillness without losing the S consonant. Maybe there is no better way than how I currently handle it. I did download the SpitFish. It appears to need a VST host. Cool Edit Pro doesn't appear to handle VST. Is there a DirectX to VST wrapper available for CEP or Adobe Audition? bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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wrote in message
oups.com... I did download the SpitFish. It appears to need a VST host. Cool Edit Pro doesn't appear to handle VST. Is there a DirectX to VST wrapper available for CEP or Adobe Audition? I use this one: http://tonewise.com/DirectiXer/. Spin Audio offers this Lite (free) version of theirs that will only wrap one plugin at a time but that should be enough to see if it's (Spitfish, which I second the recommendation) useful to you: http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.p...download_id=33 |
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The best IMO, is the Orban 536 (I think that's the number) with the mod (the
one that Bob Orban himself gave - replace 1 chip and a couple of resistors and a cap)...VERY transparent and the most NATURAL sounding de-esser I've heard (I think it sounds way more natural than the DBX 902 and I've A/B'd them side by side and that's how it sounded to my ears)... I thought the Valley DSP added a little color... Haven't heard the SPL, Weiss or BSS... IMO, the best way to test a de-esser is to record something "as is" (mic into pre into converter) and then record the same thing thru the de-esser(mic-pre-de-esser-converter). Then listen back to both tracks and you can hear what the additional circuitry is doing to the signal...you can do this by ear, without recording the tracks, if you can truly remember the subtle, and not so subtle, differences between the two. Good Luck. Jim Matrix Audio wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 your favorite compressor + sidechain EQ ??? yes - I'm in the market and using google until the giganews account is accessable - my comcast account is in "area 51" with a service issue bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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"Steven Sena" wrote in message ... dbx 902. If you can find one... No color added... Real EZ to use... I have to thank Fletcher for suggesting that one... What ever happened to that guy...? He's spending less time on this newsgroup (like other people) because of all the BS being posted...I've been on this group for about 7 years and chime in from time to time (when I feel it's worth something), but I have seen a great difference in this group as compared to how it used to be... The other day's thread about "THE AUDIO INCOMPETENTS"....what a waste...this, and many, many other BS threads are what degrade this newsgroup, IMO...and that one thread got over 40 responses!...I think these are the things that turn people away...there are so many other people who seldom appear on this newsgroup anymore...When the quality of the postings goes down, I don't think people take the group as serious anymore... That said, I still think this is a good group of people on here, but the quality of the postings used to be much better...do a google search on almost any subject (within this newsgroup) and the best responses are more than 3 years old... Unfortunately, I can't change the web...I can only live in it... Jim Matrix Audio -- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com wrote in message oups.com... No holds barred - absolute best de-essers and why weiss ds-1 spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 your favorite compressor + sidechain EQ ??? yes - I'm in the market and using google until the giganews account is accessable - my comcast account is in "area 51" with a service issue bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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The Dave Brown de-esser is my fave software one.
:O) "Neil Henderson" wrote in message om... "John Phillips" wrote in message om... What are the best software De-Essers? My personal favorite is the Spitfish from: http://www.digitalfishphones.com And remarkably, it's FREE! Would using a different mic be a potential solution? Yes, sometimes... or also not using as much compression going to track, if you happen to be doing so. It obviously depends partially on the singer, though - some people are just more sibilant than others. Neil Henderson |
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Best de-esser to me is the DBX 902. Nothin else ever worked that well.
Mart Neil Henderson a écrit: "John Phillips" wrote in message om... What are the best software De-Essers? My personal favorite is the Spitfish from: http://www.digitalfishphones.com And remarkably, it's FREE! Would using a different mic be a potential solution? Yes, sometimes... or also not using as much compression going to track, if you happen to be doing so. It obviously depends partially on the singer, though - some people are just more sibilant than others. Neil Henderson |
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weiss ds-1
spl 9629 dbx 902 drawmer mx-50 valley DSP bss dpr-901 your favorite compressor + sidechain EQ I use the Brooke Siren. You can focus on the sibilant frequencies, the attack and release times and monitor what you are de-essing. I make sure I de-ess before I compress for I don't want to make the sibilance worse by compressing the signal where the dynamic range between the sibilance and the resonance of the signal decreases kevin |
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Thanks to everyone for your collective comments and suggestions. I've
been reading manuals as I find them. Mike R. - the SPL 9629 does appear to use a different algorithmic approach to D-S. It also appears on the equipment list in many studios. Ricky H. - Thankyou for the pointer about DirectiXer - wow another universe of possibilities just opened. Neil - Spitfish was a no brainer, thankyou - now installed and working via DirectiXer So at the top of the audition list I have dbx 902 spl 9629 Spitfish Others as I find them. Thanks again to everyone. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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JK wrote: IMO, the best way to test a de-esser is to record something "as is" (mic into pre into converter) and then record the same thing thru the de-esser(mic-pre-de-esser-converter). Then listen back to both tracks and you can hear what the additional circuitry is doing to the signal...you can do this by ear, without recording the tracks, if you can truly remember the subtle, and not so subtle, differences between the two. Recorded A/B comparisons (of any equipment) as you describe work best for me. I believe the psychiatrists determined average hearing memory to be on the order of 50mS and I think my attention span is barely double that. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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Best de-essers: DBX-263X. Half rack, self-contained power supply.
Mainly I like it 'cause I own two and it can be used without distroying the quality of the vocal. Can be used broadband or narrowbank. Favorite compressor: Cranesong Trakker Wayne |
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Digital Performer wrote:
There used to be an SPL plugin (which prompted me to sell my SPL, but now that the plugin is no longer being updated, I miss my SPL) From what I know, that's the same plugin that is now included in Nuendo (Dynamics - DeEsser). Johann -- Oliver lebt auch in seiner 'RN-Welt' wo ihn keiner mehr erreichen kann. Das hat nichts mehr mit Empfehlungen zu tun, sondern das ist Fetischismus und gestoertes Netzdenken. (*Tönnes in ) |
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Another dbx 902 convert here. Although it clouds the signal a bit
running through, how it works makes up for that. The later models used a modular VCA pcb with 7 2150 vca chips in parallel. Replace those with 7 That 2180A VCA's and it's special. While at it, the opamps can be swapped out as well as the filter caps. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades |
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On or about 16 Feb 2005 10:55:25 EST, JK allegedly wrote:
IMO, the best way to test a de-esser is to record something "as is" (mic into pre into converter) and then record the same thing thru the de-esser(mic-pre-de-esser-converter). Then listen back to both tracks and you can hear what the additional circuitry is doing to the signal...you can do this by ear, without recording the tracks, if you can truly remember the subtle, and not so subtle, differences between the two. I've tested a couple of software de-essers by inverting a processed file against the original. What's left is what the de-esser removed. If it's a good one (and you've tuned it well), the difference will only be esses, with silence between. Noel Bachelor noelbachelorAT(From:_domain) Language Recordings Inc (Darwin Australia) |
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"Digital Performer" wrote:
The SPl is my fav. Th SPL uses phase inversion to cancel the silibance instead of compression. To me and my ears that works better. Me too. The Valley DSP (Dynamic Sibilance Processor) works the same way. It's my personal favourite. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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