What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

Professor
Music-Fanshawe College
London, On
Canada

"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com...
What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

Professor
Music-Fanshawe College
London, On
Canada


Examine the threads that develop from your posts again on... um, say
Wednesday night. I think you'll discover that it's not really "negative".


www.recaudiopro.net


Peace,

DM

Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions. It says
more about them than you.

Other than that it is a good forum.

db wrote:

Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions.

Wow. And even included an example.

"db wrote:
Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will
look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions.


Wow. And even included an example. "

Yeah, I'm not above it sometimes...true enough. Touche

db wrote:

Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions.

If I'd wanted to insult him I'd have asked him what was Glenn Gould's
favorite kind of pizza.

It says more about them than you.

If you find his treatises enchanting a subscription to _Recording_ might
be spot-on for you. Seriously.

--
ha

In article writes:

If you find his treatises enchanting a subscription to _Recording_ might
be spot-on for you. Seriously.

But it's not the Internet so he'd have to PAY for it, and actually
read it on paper.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1108382376k@trad...

In article
writes:

If you find his treatises enchanting a subscription to _Recording_ might
be spot-on for you. Seriously.

But it's not the Internet so he'd have to PAY for it, and actually
read it on paper.

PAPER? I have some in the bathroom. They make that with words on it?

jb




--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:22:07 -0500, reddred
wrote:

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1108382376k@trad...

In article
writes:

If you find his treatises enchanting a subscription to _Recording_ might
be spot-on for you. Seriously.

But it's not the Internet so he'd have to PAY for it, and actually
read it on paper.

PAPER? I have some in the bathroom. They make that with words on it?


Yes, as a matter of fact.

"db" wrote in message
oups.com...
Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions. It says
more about them than you.

Other than that it is a good forum.


Kevin is a nice guy and good engineer (search credit listing sites for
what). I don't think they'll drive him off.

db wrote:

Basically because there are a handfull of dickheads here who will look
for any opening to insult someone, even with good intentions. It says
more about them than you.

Other than that it is a good forum.


Well said.....seems there are these kind of dickheads in practically
every newsgroup.

kevindoylemusic wrote:
What is with all the negative feedback?

If you're the one who's been posting all these long articles on
various subjects, I can tell you the one problem I had with them:
you posted them, but you didn't give any context. You didn't say
why you posted them, whether you wrote them or if not who did,
whether (if you wrote them) you wrote them for this newsgroup or
are recycling them from elsewhere.

From the tone of the articles (and their length and regularlity),
it appeared that they weren't originally composed to be posted
for rec.audio.pro. And since it wasn't apparent whether you wrote
them, it wasn't clear whether you were just digging stuff up on
the web and posting it, or trying to post stuff to get people
to check out a web site, or what. You might have been trying to
be helpful, or you might be plagiarizing. It just wasn't clear
what you were/are doing.

At any rate, the whole point of newsgroups is person-to-person
communication. Anything that's not person-to-person communication
will make some people annoyed, because they feel like you're
talking at them instead of to them, and if you're not here to
talk person-to-person, then they have to wonder why you *are* here.
(YOU may be here for your own personal gain, but lots of people are.)

Anyway, if you have written these articles yourself, you'd have
gotten a lot better response if you'd simply put a quick
"Here is an article I wrote, and I thought some of you might
find it interesting" at the beginning. Or put them all on a
web site and post a link, and maybe a list of titles of the
articles or a description of them or something.

Whatever you do, just remember that there is a giant web out there
full of tens or hundreds of millions of pages of random stuff, so
if someone wants to read an article, they can find all they want
of that elsewhere. People come to Usenet in order to interact with
other people, even if 90% of the interaction is just talking shop.

- Logan

Logan Shaw wrote:
(YOU may be here for your own personal gain, but lots of people are.)

Oops, that should've read "YOU may NOT be here for your own personal
gain, but lots of people are".

- Logan

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
news
Logan Shaw wrote:
(YOU may be here for your own personal gain, but lots of people are.)

Oops, that should've read "YOU may NOT be here for your own personal
gain, but lots of people are".

- Logan
I THINK LOGAN GOT IT RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS;
"YOU MAY NOT BE HERE FOR PERSONAL GAIN, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THE
REC.AUDIO.PRO NEWSGROUP ARE HERE FOR PERSONAL GAIN."

YOU CAN LOCATE THESE FOLKS BY THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS YOU RECEIVED ON YOUR
POSTS. SOME OTHERS ARE TOO SMART TO REVEAL THEMSELVES OR ARE TOO AFRAID OR
ARE VERY SAVVY AND WILY IN NOT GIVING AWAY THEIR TRUE DISHONEST AND SELVISH
PURPOSE ON THIS NEWSGROUP.

john wrote:

YOU CAN LOCATE THESE FOLKS BY THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS YOU RECEIVED ON YOUR
POSTS. SOME OTHERS ARE TOO SMART TO REVEAL THEMSELVES OR ARE TOO AFRAID OR
ARE VERY SAVVY AND WILY IN NOT GIVING AWAY THEIR TRUE DISHONEST AND SELVISH
PURPOSE ON THIS NEWSGROUP.


Well thanks, "John", it does seem you've got it all figured out.

x-no archive: yes

john wrote:

"Logan Shaw" wrote...
Logan Shaw wrote:
(YOU may be here for your own personal gain, but lots of people are.)

Oops, that should've read "YOU may NOT be here for your own personal
gain, but lots of people are".

I THINK LOGAN GOT IT RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS;
"YOU MAY NOT BE HERE FOR PERSONAL GAIN, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THE
REC.AUDIO.PRO NEWSGROUP ARE HERE FOR PERSONAL GAIN."

YOU CAN LOCATE THESE FOLKS BY THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS

Anything like hog bellies? I mean, without all the negativity? You ever
had negative feedbacks in a live sound situation? It's like totally
scary, dude, because all the sound in the room gets sucked right into
the speakers and disappears. You got to find different size guys to
crawl right into each driver and pull that sound back out before it
clogs up the crossovers.

YOU RECEIVED ON YOUR POSTS.

I get a paid quite a lot to post here so don't go 'round callously
abusing my major income stream. Of course, what I earn is nothing
compared to the likes of Rivers and Dorsey, not to mention the
outrageous tithing to the Pope. Dude, you're onto something, or on
something, or both.

SOME OTHERS ARE TOO SMART TO REVEAL THEMSELVES OR ARE TOO AFRAID OR
ARE VERY SAVVY AND WILY IN NOT GIVING AWAY THEIR TRUE DISHONEST AND SELVISH
PURPOSE ON THIS NEWSGROUP.

Other people post outrightly using their very own real names. Who knows,
maybe they're even real people. Some of them can even locate the
capslock key. _Mavis Bacon's Typing Pointeries for the Fatfingered_
might prove useful to you. I assume you can read lowercase, too.

However, don't attempt to record nylon string guitars using dynamic mics
if you wish to avoid injury. They just don't cut it, but they might cut
you, considering relative sharpnesses, which means they also won't work
for most clarinets, either. That's the flat-out truths of the matters.

My eamil address is real, so now you know where to send the money.

--
ha

Logan Shaw wrote:

Whatever you do, just remember that there is a giant web out there
full of tens or hundreds of millions of pages of random stuff, so
if someone wants to read an article, they can find all they want
of that elsewhere.

Or instead of initially searching upteen dozen web sites, they can now
just log onto Google's newsgroup search for initial information, which
in this particular case, has now due to the efforts of an individual,
been archived. Web sites come and go........

People come to Usenet in order to interact with
other people, even if 90% of the interaction is just talking shop.

In my particular situation, most of my net/newsgroup
reading/participation is pertaining to obtaining information and not
socializing. :-)

"Lawrence Lucier" wrote in message
news:Uj9Qd.390757$Xk.337796@pd7tw3no...
Logan Shaw wrote:

Whatever you do, just remember that there is a giant web out there
full of tens or hundreds of millions of pages of random stuff, so
if someone wants to read an article, they can find all they want
of that elsewhere.

Or instead of initially searching upteen dozen web sites, they can now
just log onto Google's newsgroup search for initial information, which
in this particular case, has now due to the efforts of an individual,
been archived. Web sites come and go........


Unfortunately, the information is not particularly useful, because of the
way it is presented. He would have done better to just talk about some
issues and offer possible solutions, in addition to telling his readers what
things were and how basically to use them.

You should go buy a book. A book may be worth less than what you pay for it,
or worth much more, but very rarely are they damaging like much of the free
information available on the net.

And if this guy is a PHD, he should be able to write something better than
the 'role of the engineer' piece. What a waste of bits.

People come to Usenet in order to interact with
other people, even if 90% of the interaction is just talking shop.

In my particular situation, most of my net/newsgroup
reading/participation is pertaining to obtaining information and not
socializing. :-)

The net has stopped being a particularly good source of verifiable
information. Libraries are better. Depressing as hell, but it's true.

jb

"kevindoylemusic" wrote in
oups.com:

What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

As you may already know, on this NG there is never a shortage of arseholes
who try to belittle other people and their efforts.

In effect, these types are saying "I am better than you".

This means they could be insecure, or perhaps bitter (because they don't
feel they're getting the recognition they 'truly deserve')

It's all about ego. I'm certain that when some of these guys go to bed at
night, they lay there genuinly unable to figure out why the entire world
doesn't recognise their greatness.

Regards,

Terry

"Terry" wrote in message...

...on this NG there is never a shortage of arseholes
who try to belittle other people and their efforts....


With this being your whopping sixth post to this group, you are
sooooooo keenly qualified to lay judgement.

If you think there are arses here, laddy... you don't bleedin' get
around too much.

"David Morgan \(MAMS\)" wrote in
news:XETPd.26601$uc.22036@trnddc04:



With this being your whopping sixth post to this group, you are
sooooooo keenly qualified to lay judgement.


Read the posts & jump in and answer whatever you think you can; be open
to other concepts and viewpoints; stay cool and don't let the flames get to
you, and you'll be In Like Flint.


Regards,

Terry

"Terry" wrote in message ...

Read the posts & jump in and answer whatever you think you can; be open
to other concepts and viewpoints; stay cool and don't let the flames get to
you, and you'll be In Like Flint.



Touche'


;-)

I'm sorry, but if you want to play in the big sandbox, you have to have
thicker skin. It's an axiom that works in almost every endeavor. I was
working for a company about 15 years ago and came up and told the
accumulated VPs about how to recover their lost data from a network system
they'd not upgraded in a few years and started by "Here's the plan..." to
which one of these jerks replied "You mean, here is A plan", and I, in my
little "don't know nothing box" had to yank this mother****er back to
reality and tell him that since he'd brought me back over from a site to fix
his problems, he might as well shut up and learn how to fix the problem.

This is not a forum for inexperienced people to profess their knowledge in
terms of ways to do things, although if one does then they should assume
that someone is going to feel froggy and leap. And if anyone decides that
there's only one way to do something, well, I'm here to tell you that it's
simply not the case. There are far more exceptions to the rules that come
from experience than the tried and true methods that come from those who
have ONE type of experience, unless the discussion is specifically aimed
towards that particular type of experience.

The points could well be represented by people who record live in venues not
of their choosing, or record live in their studios. Or by people that mic a
drumset with 15 mics, and those that mic them as minimally as possible. Or
only use SM57s on guitar amps, or only use $3k Neumanns from 4 feet away.

The possibilities of recording are as numerous as EVERY recording ever done
by everyone that's done a recording, and virtually none of them are the
same.

Handbooks at a live gig only work if everything happens to be the same as
what was described in the handbook, but then, what about problems like the
Bass player is using his personal DI that doesn't like Phantom and yet you
are using a Mackie VLZPro that only has global Phantom? How do you fix that
problem? Engineering isn't a set of fader positions and specific mics, even
if the room is the same day by day, because the room even changes based on
barometric pressure, the mics change based on temperature, and on tube mics,
whether they've been properly warmed for a sufficient time. The guitar will
be different today than tomorrow, if for nothing else than it's had one more
day's worth of playing and one day's more grit and grime from the fingers
playing it.

Hell, we haven't even touched upon things like whether yesterday's
electrical power was better or worse than today's.

**** the "greatness" and get on the bus. Any engineer who has earned his
wings knows that nothing is the same, and nothing works forever and that
nothing that works seemingly forever is always the same. Engineering is
about responding to changes and making them inconsequential to the process
of recording. Engineering is about the pre-response to a problem because
you've "engineered" the problems beforehand.

Engineering is the ability to respond to a situation at a moment's notice
and not even have the musicians KNOW you've done the job. Recording is
simply the act of pushing play and record. There's a HUGE difference and
most of those here know when someone doesn't know the difference.

As usual, the idea is to keep an open mind and something might fall in. But
in terms of quoting "documentation" that is questionable, well, it's easy
for someone with years of experience to look at the documentation and
determine whether it actually means anything in the real (reel) world. And
if it doesn't, well, you don't want to be presenting it here.

As George Massenberg once said on this newsgroup, "It takes a lifetime to
get just a LITTLE bit better". Now that's a mantra I can live by.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Terry" wrote in message
. 117.183...
"kevindoylemusic" wrote in
oups.com:

What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

As you may already know, on this NG there is never a shortage of arseholes
who try to belittle other people and their efforts.

In effect, these types are saying "I am better than you".

This means they could be insecure, or perhaps bitter (because they don't
feel they're getting the recognition they 'truly deserve')

It's all about ego. I'm certain that when some of these guys go to bed at
night, they lay there genuinly unable to figure out why the entire world
doesn't recognise their greatness.

Regards,

Terry

Right Roger Norman the great GENIUS who knows everything about audio
recording, computers. BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
He's a ****ing IDIOT - A DUM ****!
Stick it up your ass Blowing Cocks Norman!
Take your useless, inaccurate, erroneous knowledge and shove down your other
homo buddies on this newsgroup Throat.
You gusys don't know jack **** about anything. Your a bunch of uneducated,
moronic idiots and kissing each others asses for bit and pieces of the
puzzle. You guys here at rap are clueless finally someone who knows his
stuff
David Morley, Hank Alrich, Mike Rivers,S. O'Neil, Richard Crowley, Joe
Sensor, David
Morgan, Roger W. Norman,
Are a gang of Homosexuals in a love triangle.Buahahahahahahahaahah!!!!!
I'm just wondering where Art Kruger , Pooh Bear, and George Gleason and
those other homo's are.
These guys are jeolous that you put out a more complete and more accurate
guide to home recording.
They will try anything to discredit you.
Sorry but just ignore them.
These are uneducated, incompetent people in their trade.
You are a qualified PHD doctor with years of experience putting out accurate
and a complete guide to home recording.
There's no contest those incompetent, uneducated, stupid moronic idiots
pretending to be experts or you a phd doctor specializing in audio
engineering. Give me a break.
Get lost you losers your group is no longer needed and you dum faggots can
go KISS MY ASS! So long this is my last post here in this ****ed up
newsgroup because these syncophants, faggots, and dum ****s, and losers who
will always be losers. Seeya LOSERS!
Muahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaahahahahah!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry, but if you want to play in the big sandbox, you have to have
thicker skin. It's an axiom that works in almost every endeavor. I was
working for a company about 15 years ago and came up and told the
accumulated VPs about how to recover their lost data from a network system
they'd not upgraded in a few years and started by "Here's the plan..." to
which one of these jerks replied "You mean, here is A plan", and I, in my
little "don't know nothing box" had to yank this mother****er back to
reality and tell him that since he'd brought me back over from a site to
fix
his problems, he might as well shut up and learn how to fix the problem.

This is not a forum for inexperienced people to profess their knowledge in
terms of ways to do things, although if one does then they should assume
that someone is going to feel froggy and leap. And if anyone decides that
there's only one way to do something, well, I'm here to tell you that it's
simply not the case. There are far more exceptions to the rules that come
from experience than the tried and true methods that come from those who
have ONE type of experience, unless the discussion is specifically aimed
towards that particular type of experience.

The points could well be represented by people who record live in venues
not
of their choosing, or record live in their studios. Or by people that mic
a
drumset with 15 mics, and those that mic them as minimally as possible.
Or
only use SM57s on guitar amps, or only use $3k Neumanns from 4 feet away.

The possibilities of recording are as numerous as EVERY recording ever
done
by everyone that's done a recording, and virtually none of them are the
same.

Handbooks at a live gig only work if everything happens to be the same as
what was described in the handbook, but then, what about problems like the
Bass player is using his personal DI that doesn't like Phantom and yet you
are using a Mackie VLZPro that only has global Phantom? How do you fix
that
problem? Engineering isn't a set of fader positions and specific mics,
even
if the room is the same day by day, because the room even changes based on
barometric pressure, the mics change based on temperature, and on tube
mics,
whether they've been properly warmed for a sufficient time. The guitar
will
be different today than tomorrow, if for nothing else than it's had one
more
day's worth of playing and one day's more grit and grime from the fingers
playing it.

Hell, we haven't even touched upon things like whether yesterday's
electrical power was better or worse than today's.

**** the "greatness" and get on the bus. Any engineer who has earned his
wings knows that nothing is the same, and nothing works forever and that
nothing that works seemingly forever is always the same. Engineering is
about responding to changes and making them inconsequential to the process
of recording. Engineering is about the pre-response to a problem because
you've "engineered" the problems beforehand.

Engineering is the ability to respond to a situation at a moment's notice
and not even have the musicians KNOW you've done the job. Recording is
simply the act of pushing play and record. There's a HUGE difference and
most of those here know when someone doesn't know the difference.

As usual, the idea is to keep an open mind and something might fall in.
But
in terms of quoting "documentation" that is questionable, well, it's easy
for someone with years of experience to look at the documentation and
determine whether it actually means anything in the real (reel) world.
And
if it doesn't, well, you don't want to be presenting it here.

As George Massenberg once said on this newsgroup, "It takes a lifetime to
get just a LITTLE bit better". Now that's a mantra I can live by.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Terry" wrote in message
. 117.183...
"kevindoylemusic" wrote in
oups.com:

What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

As you may already know, on this NG there is never a shortage of
arseholes
who try to belittle other people and their efforts.

In effect, these types are saying "I am better than you".

This means they could be insecure, or perhaps bitter (because they don't
feel they're getting the recognition they 'truly deserve')

It's all about ego. I'm certain that when some of these guys go to bed
at
night, they lay there genuinly unable to figure out why the entire world
doesn't recognise their greatness.

Regards,

Terry

"john" wrote in message
...
Right Roger Norman the great GENIUS who knows everything about audio
recording, computers. BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
He's a ****ing IDIOT - A DUM ****!
Stick it up your ass Blowing Cocks Norman!
Take your useless, inaccurate, erroneous knowledge and shove down your
other
homo buddies on this newsgroup Throat.
You gusys don't know jack **** about anything. Your a bunch of uneducated,
moronic idiots and kissing each others asses for bit and pieces of the
puzzle. You guys here at rap are clueless finally someone who knows his
stuff
David Morley, Hank Alrich, Mike Rivers,S. O'Neil, Richard Crowley, Joe
Sensor, David
Morgan, Roger W. Norman,
Are a gang of Homosexuals in a love triangle.Buahahahahahahahaahah!!!!!
I'm just wondering where Art Kruger , Pooh Bear, and George Gleason and
those other homo's are.
These guys are jeolous that you put out a more complete and more accurate
guide to home recording.
They will try anything to discredit you.
Sorry but just ignore them.
These are uneducated, incompetent people in their trade.
You are a qualified PHD doctor with years of experience putting out
accurate
and a complete guide to home recording.
There's no contest those incompetent, uneducated, stupid moronic idiots
pretending to be experts or you a phd doctor specializing in audio
engineering. Give me a break.
Get lost you losers your group is no longer needed and you dum faggots can
go KISS MY ASS! So long this is my last post here in this ****ed up
newsgroup because these syncophants, faggots, and dum ****s, and losers
who
will always be losers. Seeya LOSERS!
Muahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaahahahahah!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Dum is spelled "Dumb" you dummy.
--
-hev
remove "your opinion" to find me:
www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com
http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=14089013

john wrote:
S. O'Neil


That's O'Neill with two toothpicks, you brain scientist.

In article , S O'Neill
wrote:

john wrote:
S. O'Neil


That's O'Neill with two toothpicks, you brain scientist.


No, apparently you've just been spelling it wrong all these years. It says so
on the internet...

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Once again John...dum is spelled DUMB

If you are going to insult him at least spell it right.




john wrote in message
...
Right Roger Norman the great GENIUS who knows everything about audio
recording, computers. BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
He's a ****ing IDIOT - A DUM ****!
Stick it up your ass Blowing Cocks Norman!
Take your useless, inaccurate, erroneous knowledge and shove down your
other
homo buddies on this newsgroup Throat.
You gusys don't know jack **** about anything. Your a bunch of uneducated,
moronic idiots and kissing each others asses for bit and pieces of the
puzzle. You guys here at rap are clueless finally someone who knows his
stuff
David Morley, Hank Alrich, Mike Rivers,S. O'Neil, Richard Crowley, Joe
Sensor, David
Morgan, Roger W. Norman,
Are a gang of Homosexuals in a love triangle.Buahahahahahahahaahah!!!!!
I'm just wondering where Art Kruger , Pooh Bear, and George Gleason and
those other homo's are.
These guys are jeolous that you put out a more complete and more accurate
guide to home recording.
They will try anything to discredit you.
Sorry but just ignore them.
These are uneducated, incompetent people in their trade.
You are a qualified PHD doctor with years of experience putting out
accurate
and a complete guide to home recording.
There's no contest those incompetent, uneducated, stupid moronic idiots
pretending to be experts or you a phd doctor specializing in audio
engineering. Give me a break.
Get lost you losers your group is no longer needed and you dum faggots can
go KISS MY ASS! So long this is my last post here in this ****ed up
newsgroup because these syncophants, faggots, and dum ****s, and losers
who
will always be losers. Seeya LOSERS!

Muahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaahahahahah!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry, but if you want to play in the big sandbox, you have to have
thicker skin. It's an axiom that works in almost every endeavor. I was
working for a company about 15 years ago and came up and told the
accumulated VPs about how to recover their lost data from a network
system
they'd not upgraded in a few years and started by "Here's the plan..."
to
which one of these jerks replied "You mean, here is A plan", and I, in
my
little "don't know nothing box" had to yank this mother****er back to
reality and tell him that since he'd brought me back over from a site to
fix
his problems, he might as well shut up and learn how to fix the problem.

This is not a forum for inexperienced people to profess their knowledge
in
terms of ways to do things, although if one does then they should assume
that someone is going to feel froggy and leap. And if anyone decides
that
there's only one way to do something, well, I'm here to tell you that
it's
simply not the case. There are far more exceptions to the rules that
come
from experience than the tried and true methods that come from those who
have ONE type of experience, unless the discussion is specifically aimed
towards that particular type of experience.

The points could well be represented by people who record live in venues
not
of their choosing, or record live in their studios. Or by people that
mic
a
drumset with 15 mics, and those that mic them as minimally as possible.
Or
only use SM57s on guitar amps, or only use $3k Neumanns from 4 feet
away.

The possibilities of recording are as numerous as EVERY recording ever
done
by everyone that's done a recording, and virtually none of them are the
same.

Handbooks at a live gig only work if everything happens to be the same
as
what was described in the handbook, but then, what about problems like
the
Bass player is using his personal DI that doesn't like Phantom and yet
you
are using a Mackie VLZPro that only has global Phantom? How do you fix
that
problem? Engineering isn't a set of fader positions and specific mics,
even
if the room is the same day by day, because the room even changes based
on
barometric pressure, the mics change based on temperature, and on tube
mics,
whether they've been properly warmed for a sufficient time. The guitar
will
be different today than tomorrow, if for nothing else than it's had one
more
day's worth of playing and one day's more grit and grime from the
fingers
playing it.

Hell, we haven't even touched upon things like whether yesterday's
electrical power was better or worse than today's.

**** the "greatness" and get on the bus. Any engineer who has earned
his
wings knows that nothing is the same, and nothing works forever and that
nothing that works seemingly forever is always the same. Engineering is
about responding to changes and making them inconsequential to the
process
of recording. Engineering is about the pre-response to a problem
because
you've "engineered" the problems beforehand.

Engineering is the ability to respond to a situation at a moment's
notice
and not even have the musicians KNOW you've done the job. Recording is
simply the act of pushing play and record. There's a HUGE difference
and
most of those here know when someone doesn't know the difference.

As usual, the idea is to keep an open mind and something might fall in.
But
in terms of quoting "documentation" that is questionable, well, it's
easy
for someone with years of experience to look at the documentation and
determine whether it actually means anything in the real (reel) world.
And
if it doesn't, well, you don't want to be presenting it here.

As George Massenberg once said on this newsgroup, "It takes a lifetime
to
get just a LITTLE bit better". Now that's a mantra I can live by.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Terry" wrote in message
. 117.183...
"kevindoylemusic" wrote in
oups.com:

What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

As you may already know, on this NG there is never a shortage of
arseholes
who try to belittle other people and their efforts.

In effect, these types are saying "I am better than you".

This means they could be insecure, or perhaps bitter (because they
don't
feel they're getting the recognition they 'truly deserve')

It's all about ego. I'm certain that when some of these guys go to bed
at
night, they lay there genuinly unable to figure out why the entire
world
doesn't recognise their greatness.

Regards,

Terry

"john" wrote in message
...


What a sad, sad teenager wannabe.

"But I don't think of you." -Howard Roark

kevindoylemusic wrote:
What is with all the negative feedback?

It's typically what happens here and in some other places
when you say what you know and people don't know who you
are. Sad, I know, but that's the way it is where ego's
abound and are too frequently established and supported by
put down. 'Fraid I do it too, by kneejerk and way more
often than I would wish, and find it embarassing to see
myself in the mirror of other's behaviors. Heavy sigh.

There are a lot of knowledgable people here who didn't join
the bullying, so judge your reception more by them instead.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Bob Cain wrote in
:



kevindoylemusic wrote:
What is with all the negative feedback?

It's typically what happens here and in some other places
when you say what you know and people don't know who you
are. Sad, I know, but that's the way it is where ego's
abound and are too frequently established and supported by
put down. 'Fraid I do it too, by kneejerk and way more
often than I would wish, and find it embarassing to see
myself in the mirror of other's behaviors. Heavy sigh.

There are a lot of knowledgable people here who didn't join
the bullying, so judge your reception more by them instead.


Bob



I like what you have just posted - it would be nice if more people would
be this honest.


Regards,

Terry

I want to thank-you for posting the tips on recording techniques. You don't
know how much it will be of help for my personal home recording hobby.
I think the negative feedback comes from all those regular posters here who
monopolize who they help, what products they recommend,etc. Some of them are
audio salesmen who want to make sales; some want to make money through
studio work; some just want to show-off and belittle people who don't agree
with them, don't treat them like potentates, or merely because they feel
like it. These people will resent the fact that you gave a fairly complete
guide to home recording and an honest recommendation for equipment.
This makes all the regular big shot know-it-all posters (or poseurs)
obselete, irrelevant, superfluous. They thrive or are addictic to the
attention they get answering peoples questions over and over again - it
gives them an inflated sense of self-importance. They are a gang that
supports each other when any one of them comes under attack. If you rub them
the wrong way they will blacklist you as a persona non grata. This is the
kind of people alot of the regulars here are like. Though there are many
nice people on this newsgroup as well. What I do is ignore the not so nice
ones who will remain nameless.

"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message
oups.com...
What is with all the negative feedback?
kevin

Professor
Music-Fanshawe College
London, On
Canada

john a yahoo wrote:

You don't
know how much it will be of help for my personal home recording hobby.

Oh, yes, I do!

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message .. .


john a yahoo wrote:

You don't
know how much it will be of help for my personal home recording hobby.

Oh, yes, I do!

--
ha



D'Oh !! Gaack.... choke.... coffee in the keyboard. Too much.

"A Yahoo...." Oh, my side is splitting! Untouchable flair, Hank.


Sheeesh... stop hanging around for a few days and there's a whole
new set of trolls and police in the room. Ah well, life goes on.

"D'Oh !! Gaack.... choke.... coffee in the keyboard. Too much.

"A Yahoo...." Oh, my side is splitting! Untouchable flair,
Hank."

Hey Dave, maybe Hank will let you carry his golf clubs. Maybe you can
touch the old stud's Studer. What this room needs is a few more
sycophants. Was that coffee you were choking on?

db wrote:

maybe Hank will let you carry his golf clubs.

I don't golf. Stick with what you know.

--
ha

"db" wrote in message

Was that coffee you were choking on?


Guatemala Antigua (Gevalia)

john wrote:

I want to thank-you for posting the tips on recording techniques. You don't
know how much it will be of help for my personal home recording hobby.

Um, right.

"Joe Sensor" wrote in message ...
john wrote:

I want to thank-you for posting the tips on recording techniques. You don't
know how much it will be of help for my personal home recording hobby.

Um, right.

At least if John Googles a few words from the posts, he'll find another
few thousand articles to help make things even better.