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Magnepan MG-20s for sale
I am sadly putting my Maggie MG-20 speakers up for sale. Their place
in our house is overcome by advances in living space (according to some) and my lack of time to really enjoy them. These are truly amazing speakers that can do some things like no others anywhere. They are in excellent condition, lightly used, currenly beige cloth with natural oak panels. When I got them they black on black. I have the original black wood and cloth packed in the boxes and stored at work. I haven't looked at this stuff in years so while I expect it's in good condition I have not checked up on it recently. On one of the speakers the funky connections that need an allen wrench broke so I replaced it with a heavy duty five way binding post. On the other, the connection plate is slightly dented, presumably from shipping. I believe I am the second owner and they were that way when I got them. I'm sure Magnepan can take care of replacing anything you'd like at a reasonable price. You should know, these need to be biamped. Ideally with big amplifiers. They do not come with the speaker level crossover. They DO come with a custom make line level Linkwitz-Reily crossover that is adjustable in either 8 Hz or 17 Hz steps. I need to pop the cover to see what the resistor values are to be sure. I built it in 1998 if I'm not mistaken and have just enjoyed it since. The crossover has adjustable gain to allow setting the level to suit the output of your preamp or CD player. All adjustments in the crossover are through DIP switches. 'm using a player with adjustable volume out so it's CD, crossover, amps, speakers. There are two inputs on the crossover so you can also use a preamp for records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would really prefer a local buyer. I do have the original boxes so they can be shipped if required. What is included: - two speakers - black wood trim and cloth, condition not guaranteed until I get out the boxes - original boxes - custom made, active crossover I may be convinced to let go of my amplification. Shipping if required is at actual cost. Sell for $5500. Reply via email to xsdaver at cox dot net. Thanks. |
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On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 |
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On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 |
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OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Brian, You know that the price isn't $1400. It is more than that. Why do you lie? r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Brian, You know that the price isn't $1400. It is more than that. Why do you lie? r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good condition. The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price, the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their equipment is worth. |
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good condition. The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price, the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their equipment is worth. |
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On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. |
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On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. |
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I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt) .. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion. The only reason I read his stuff and not KILLFILE him is that for the most part it is a chuckle. He ain't going away, so at least he serves a purpose, making me laugh! So just sit back watch the one legged man in an ass kicking contest and laugh till your blue in the face. |
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I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt) .. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion. The only reason I read his stuff and not KILLFILE him is that for the most part it is a chuckle. He ain't going away, so at least he serves a purpose, making me laugh! So just sit back watch the one legged man in an ass kicking contest and laugh till your blue in the face. |
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Dave wrote in
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good condition. The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price, the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their equipment is worth. Dave, Don't worry, Brian lies or lies by omission every single time he posts. Here is what Orion *really* says about the speakers. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" That $1400.00 figure is trade-in value and NOT what anyone would sell them for dealer or not. In addition the prices are simple guidelines, and are subject to market variations, etc. A quick check on Ebay will generally be a good indicator of what the market value is for a given item. Given that the target audience for the data is a dealer here is what Orion says about the prices published. "Definition of price catagories Used Retail value of used equipment representing the current open market price for a specific product or fair market value. The used price reflects what a product can be resold for within 30 days. This information has been determined by national dealer surveys. Mint (wholesale) Value paid to the customer if the unit is in excellent working order and appearance. Average (wholesale) Average value paid to the customer for a product MSRP Manufacturer's Suggested Selling Price. This value represents the most recent manufacturer's suggested selling price. It does not represent any discounts applied." So you see, Brian is just a lying troll. r PS. Thanks to Orion Bluebook for providing these prices. -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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Dave wrote in
: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote: On 5/10/03 3:18, in article , "Dave" wrote: records or whatever. I'm in Northern Virginia and would BLUEBOOK value, $1400 Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good condition. The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price, the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their equipment is worth. Dave, Don't worry, Brian lies or lies by omission every single time he posts. Here is what Orion *really* says about the speakers. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" That $1400.00 figure is trade-in value and NOT what anyone would sell them for dealer or not. In addition the prices are simple guidelines, and are subject to market variations, etc. A quick check on Ebay will generally be a good indicator of what the market value is for a given item. Given that the target audience for the data is a dealer here is what Orion says about the prices published. "Definition of price catagories Used Retail value of used equipment representing the current open market price for a specific product or fair market value. The used price reflects what a product can be resold for within 30 days. This information has been determined by national dealer surveys. Mint (wholesale) Value paid to the customer if the unit is in excellent working order and appearance. Average (wholesale) Average value paid to the customer for a product MSRP Manufacturer's Suggested Selling Price. This value represents the most recent manufacturer's suggested selling price. It does not represent any discounts applied." So you see, Brian is just a lying troll. r PS. Thanks to Orion Bluebook for providing these prices. -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com: On 26/10/03 6:38, in article , "Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. Brian, You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com: On 26/10/03 6:38, in article , "Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. Brian, You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment
newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" |
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I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment
newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" |
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"jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374
@attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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"jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374
@attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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Hey guys,
Keep in mind the only reason McCarty incorrectly quotes from the Bluebook is to start anger and arguments or basically harassment to honest users of RAM. It has nothing to do with the evaluation of audio pricing. I think we have a very sad and lonely obese man sitting at a computer searching for attention. He also just happens to have a tie in with audio. His initials BM are very important, they stand for his purpose in life. He sh-ts all over people. "jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374 @attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics, Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed since 1995. |
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Hey guys,
Keep in mind the only reason McCarty incorrectly quotes from the Bluebook is to start anger and arguments or basically harassment to honest users of RAM. It has nothing to do with the evaluation of audio pricing. I think we have a very sad and lonely obese man sitting at a computer searching for attention. He also just happens to have a tie in with audio. His initials BM are very important, they stand for his purpose in life. He sh-ts all over people. "jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374 @attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics, Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed since 1995. |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:46:34 -0000, Rich Andrews
wrote: OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in ews.com: On 26/10/03 6:38, in article , "Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. Brian, You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright. Brian, I know that this is not always the case. I used to own a small company and one year we listed an amp in the Audio Equipment Directory. Never made one, even a prototype. Somehow, the blue book had prices for these published shortly thereafter. So no matter what they say, I believe a lot of it is BS. Dave |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:46:34 -0000, Rich Andrews
wrote: OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in ews.com: On 26/10/03 6:38, in article , "Dave" wrote: Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. Bluebook says: ------------- http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm "The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.* Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the product for in 30 days or less. * The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the actual marketplace" Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is rejected. Brian, You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright. Brian, I know that this is not always the case. I used to own a small company and one year we listed an amp in the Audio Equipment Directory. Never made one, even a prototype. Somehow, the blue book had prices for these published shortly thereafter. So no matter what they say, I believe a lot of it is BS. Dave |
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On 28/10/03 4:38, in article , "Alex
Rodriguez" wrote: Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. Of course not. The retail prices are for dealers who have performed professional services prior to sale; inspection and testing, and are required by law to provide a warranty. The lowest bluebook sales price is most appropriately used between private sellers, where "caveat emptor" is the order of the day. Scammers like drescher and Ted Rearend audio offer no services and yet expect top dollar for their used crapola. Fat chance! |
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On 28/10/03 4:38, in article , "Alex
Rodriguez" wrote: Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. Of course not. The retail prices are for dealers who have performed professional services prior to sale; inspection and testing, and are required by law to provide a warranty. The lowest bluebook sales price is most appropriately used between private sellers, where "caveat emptor" is the order of the day. Scammers like drescher and Ted Rearend audio offer no services and yet expect top dollar for their used crapola. Fat chance! |
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McFarty is blowing smoke again. I can tell he's never worked retail new or
used hifi. He's lying or misinformed like always. The Orion is a scam by and for dealers. You want to know what a piece is worth? Go to eBay, search for the exact piece you are looking for (or the closest model with the same features). Then go to the left menu bar and click on completed items. That's the true test of what people in the real world are willing to pay. The only exception being a high demand piece that are in short supply. Ken's Mac pieces come to mind (mmmm, Mac goodness, tasty.....) Remember too, dealers are not required by law to do squat, test, repair or bring something to spec (at least in most of the US, I believe in parts of Europe and Asia that isn't the case). It's just sound business sense. If you **** a few people off, it doesn't take long for people to realize you run a shoddy business. Remember also that stores are not required to accept returned stuff either. Used gear is like a used car (look on the window of a used a car at a lot, you'll notice a warranty sticker that is required by law, and 99% of the time it says AS IS! No warranty), you pay more from a dealer, but you can and often do get a better deal from a private party. There are exceptions to this rule, but not many. Oh well, at least he's funny! |
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McFarty is blowing smoke again. I can tell he's never worked retail new or
used hifi. He's lying or misinformed like always. The Orion is a scam by and for dealers. You want to know what a piece is worth? Go to eBay, search for the exact piece you are looking for (or the closest model with the same features). Then go to the left menu bar and click on completed items. That's the true test of what people in the real world are willing to pay. The only exception being a high demand piece that are in short supply. Ken's Mac pieces come to mind (mmmm, Mac goodness, tasty.....) Remember too, dealers are not required by law to do squat, test, repair or bring something to spec (at least in most of the US, I believe in parts of Europe and Asia that isn't the case). It's just sound business sense. If you **** a few people off, it doesn't take long for people to realize you run a shoddy business. Remember also that stores are not required to accept returned stuff either. Used gear is like a used car (look on the window of a used a car at a lot, you'll notice a warranty sticker that is required by law, and 99% of the time it says AS IS! No warranty), you pay more from a dealer, but you can and often do get a better deal from a private party. There are exceptions to this rule, but not many. Oh well, at least he's funny! |
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No more true words have been spoken. Brian is a sick fool and the karmic
cycle will bite him in the ass badly when it's his turn in life to try and do something of benefit to himself. Meanwhile, he simply is to be ignored or ridiculed as to your preference. Ted "Ken Drescher" wrote in message ... Hey guys, Keep in mind the only reason McCarty incorrectly quotes from the Bluebook is to start anger and arguments or basically harassment to honest users of RAM. It has nothing to do with the evaluation of audio pricing. I think we have a very sad and lonely obese man sitting at a computer searching for attention. He also just happens to have a tie in with audio. His initials BM are very important, they stand for his purpose in life. He sh-ts all over people. "jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374 @attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics, Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed since 1995. |
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No more true words have been spoken. Brian is a sick fool and the karmic
cycle will bite him in the ass badly when it's his turn in life to try and do something of benefit to himself. Meanwhile, he simply is to be ignored or ridiculed as to your preference. Ted "Ken Drescher" wrote in message ... Hey guys, Keep in mind the only reason McCarty incorrectly quotes from the Bluebook is to start anger and arguments or basically harassment to honest users of RAM. It has nothing to do with the evaluation of audio pricing. I think we have a very sad and lonely obese man sitting at a computer searching for attention. He also just happens to have a tie in with audio. His initials BM are very important, they stand for his purpose in life. He sh-ts all over people. "jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374 @attbi_s01: I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment newsgroups fairly closely. I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall ever seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person buying them). I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might consider doing that. Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still just a recommended guideline. One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion prices will be off by at least 50%. Here is a listing that I am familiar with. "MCINTOSH SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $4,600.00 USED: $1,700.00 Wholesale Mint: $1,100.00 Average: $750.00" $1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair. It is not even close to real world prices. Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite other examples but why bother. I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC anti-social behavior. r Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths. "MAGNEPAN SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $9,200.00 USED: $3,100.00 Wholesale Mint: $2,100.00 Average: $1,400.00" -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics, Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction Guaranteed since 1995. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in news:bnjono$cke$7
@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: In article . net, says... I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt) . Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion. Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. -------------- Alex Alex, The part you are missing is that the retail price listed is what dealers and other are selling the equipment on the street for. Let say you have a car and you can trade it in and the dealer will give you $5000 for it or you could sell it outright and get 9-10k for it. Please tell me that you would gladly trade it in and lose 4-5 thousand in the process rather than wait a week or two and keep that 4-5 k in your pocket. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in news:bnjono$cke$7
@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: In article . net, says... I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt) . Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion. Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. -------------- Alex Alex, The part you are missing is that the retail price listed is what dealers and other are selling the equipment on the street for. Let say you have a car and you can trade it in and the dealer will give you $5000 for it or you could sell it outright and get 9-10k for it. Please tell me that you would gladly trade it in and lose 4-5 thousand in the process rather than wait a week or two and keep that 4-5 k in your pocket. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in news:bnk54h$oo1$1
@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: In article om, says... On 28/10/03 4:38, in article , "Alex Rodriguez" wrote: Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. Of course not. The retail prices are for dealers who have performed professional services prior to sale; inspection and testing, and are required by law to provide a warranty. The lowest bluebook sales price is most appropriately used between private sellers, where "caveat emptor" is the order of the day. I don't think the lowest is always appropriate, but somewhere between the lowest and the highest would be fair. It is up to the seller and buyer to come to an agreement. That is also why it would be fair to list all of the blue book prices, not just the lowest, when quoting the book. -------------- Alex Alex, Let say you have a McIntosh C11 preamp. Here is what orion says. "MCINTOSH PRE, C- 11 VACUUM TUBE STEREO Description: Manufacture Years: 1961 - 1963 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $210.00 USED: $800.00 Wholesale Mint: $500.00 Average: $300.00" If you owned the preamp and wanted to sell it, how much money would you like to receive from the sale of that preamp? 210? 300? 500? 800? 900? Keep in mind that a C11's have been known to sell routinely for $900.00 on ebay. What price would you ask for it? You bought the item used in 1972 for $55.00. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in news:bnk54h$oo1$1
@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: In article om, says... On 28/10/03 4:38, in article , "Alex Rodriguez" wrote: Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not expect to get retail prices for your used equipment. Of course not. The retail prices are for dealers who have performed professional services prior to sale; inspection and testing, and are required by law to provide a warranty. The lowest bluebook sales price is most appropriately used between private sellers, where "caveat emptor" is the order of the day. I don't think the lowest is always appropriate, but somewhere between the lowest and the highest would be fair. It is up to the seller and buyer to come to an agreement. That is also why it would be fair to list all of the blue book prices, not just the lowest, when quoting the book. -------------- Alex Alex, Let say you have a McIntosh C11 preamp. Here is what orion says. "MCINTOSH PRE, C- 11 VACUUM TUBE STEREO Description: Manufacture Years: 1961 - 1963 Additional Information: Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices. Retail MSRP: $210.00 USED: $800.00 Wholesale Mint: $500.00 Average: $300.00" If you owned the preamp and wanted to sell it, how much money would you like to receive from the sale of that preamp? 210? 300? 500? 800? 900? Keep in mind that a C11's have been known to sell routinely for $900.00 on ebay. What price would you ask for it? You bought the item used in 1972 for $55.00. r -- Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes. |
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