[Paul[_13_]]

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Good sound, or P.O.S.?

[gareth magennis]

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Good sound, or P.O.S.?






Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Behringer is there, at a price, and a performance, that is well worth
considering, IMHO.
At the end of the day you get what you pay for, unless you shop for no name
brands on Ebay etc when you will get fleeced.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Behringers - you could spend
a lot more and get much nicer speakers such as a couple of EV's, or spend
considerably more on a pair of RCF or QSC's, but I dont think you want to do
that just now.


Cheers,

Gareth.

[Scott Dorsey]

Gareth Magennis wrote:

Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Well, you'll hear two kinds of ****:

First of all you'll hear people who complain about the quality of Behringer
products, and I personally can't say much either way about that. As far as
I can tell they make some decent stuff at a price point and they make some
very poor stuff at a price point too. You could say the same about a lot
of manufacturers.

But secondly, you'll hear people who complain about a lot of unsavory
business practices that Behringer engaged in 25 years ago when he was
first getting started. I think those are worth listening to. You can
decide for yourself how to respond. Some people take the attitude that
these things happened a long time ago and the company is very different
now, which is true. Some people take that attitude that even though those
thigns happened a long time ago, the same people are still in charge, which
is also true.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Behringers - you could spend
a lot more and get much nicer speakers such as a couple of EV's, or spend
considerably more on a pair of RCF or QSC's, but I dont think you want to do
that just now.

I haven't used those Behringers. I haven't been very impressed with their
small PA stacks, but then again I haven't been impressed with much else at
that price point either.
--scott


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[Paul[_13_]]

On 2/16/2017 4:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gareth Magennis wrote:

Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Well, you'll hear two kinds of ****:

First of all you'll hear people who complain about the quality of Behringer
products, and I personally can't say much either way about that. As far as
I can tell they make some decent stuff at a price point and they make some
very poor stuff at a price point too. You could say the same about a lot
of manufacturers.

But secondly, you'll hear people who complain about a lot of unsavory
business practices that Behringer engaged in 25 years ago when he was
first getting started.

Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?



I think those are worth listening to. You can
decide for yourself how to respond. Some people take the attitude that
these things happened a long time ago and the company is very different
now, which is true. Some people take that attitude that even though those
thigns happened a long time ago, the same people are still in charge, which
is also true.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Behringers - you could spend
a lot more and get much nicer speakers such as a couple of EV's, or spend
considerably more on a pair of RCF or QSC's, but I dont think you want to do
that just now.

I haven't used those Behringers. I haven't been very impressed with their
small PA stacks, but then again I haven't been impressed with much else at
that price point either.
--scott

[geoff]

On 17/02/2017 11:27 PM, Paul wrote:


Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?

Totally ripping off the Mackie 8-Bus, right down to cosmetics.

geoff

[Trevor]

On 17/02/2017 10:31 PM, geoff wrote:
On 17/02/2017 11:27 PM, Paul wrote:
Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?

Totally ripping off the Mackie 8-Bus, right down to cosmetics.

Rubbish, they improved on it. :-)

Trevor.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Paul wrote:
On 2/16/2017 4:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gareth Magennis wrote:

Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Well, you'll hear two kinds of ****:

First of all you'll hear people who complain about the quality of Behringer
products, and I personally can't say much either way about that. As far as
I can tell they make some decent stuff at a price point and they make some
very poor stuff at a price point too. You could say the same about a lot
of manufacturers.

But secondly, you'll hear people who complain about a lot of unsavory
business practices that Behringer engaged in 25 years ago when he was
first getting started.

Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?

Duplicating Aphex exciters so precisely that they left the Aphex logo on the
new PC boards they made, for instance.

To a much lesser extent, copying much of the design of the Mackie 1604 part
for part. That wasn't anywhere near as blatant, especially since there really
was nothing innovative about the 1604 electronics per se.

But sheesh, if you're going to copy the 1604, at least increase the value
of that feedback capacitor in the mike preamp so the low end response doesn't
change when you adjust the trims....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 17 Feb 2017 09:32:02 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article , Paul wrote:
On 2/16/2017 4:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gareth Magennis wrote:

Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Well, you'll hear two kinds of ****:

First of all you'll hear people who complain about the quality of Behringer
products, and I personally can't say much either way about that. As far as
I can tell they make some decent stuff at a price point and they make some
very poor stuff at a price point too. You could say the same about a lot
of manufacturers.

But secondly, you'll hear people who complain about a lot of unsavory
business practices that Behringer engaged in 25 years ago when he was
first getting started.

Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?

Duplicating Aphex exciters so precisely that they left the Aphex logo on the
new PC boards they made, for instance.

To a much lesser extent, copying much of the design of the Mackie 1604 part
for part. That wasn't anywhere near as blatant, especially since there really
was nothing innovative about the 1604 electronics per se.

But sheesh, if you're going to copy the 1604, at least increase the value
of that feedback capacitor in the mike preamp so the low end response doesn't
change when you adjust the trims....
--scott

Why is everyone so fixated on what a company did years ago? Most
startups have a little dirt under their nails. It no longer matters. I
have a Behringer mixer here. Sonically it is transparent. Functionally
it does exactly what I require. It has an exemplary ADC/DAC. The power
supply is crap and won't stand up to being switched on long term. So I
turn it off when I'm done.

d

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[Trevor]

On 18/02/2017 1:32 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
To a much lesser extent, copying much of the design of the Mackie 1604 part
for part. That wasn't anywhere near as blatant, especially since there really
was nothing innovative about the 1604 electronics per se.

But sheesh, if you're going to copy the 1604, at least increase the value
of that feedback capacitor in the mike preamp so the low end response doesn't
change when you adjust the trims....

They did increase the main bus overload margin though :-)

Trevor.

[Chuck[_12_]]

On 17 Feb 2017 09:32:02 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article , Paul wrote:
On 2/16/2017 4:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gareth Magennis wrote:

Paul, you will hear a lot of **** from people whose gut response is to hate
Behringer. Do not listen to these people.

Well, you'll hear two kinds of ****:

First of all you'll hear people who complain about the quality of Behringer
products, and I personally can't say much either way about that. As far as
I can tell they make some decent stuff at a price point and they make some
very poor stuff at a price point too. You could say the same about a lot
of manufacturers.

But secondly, you'll hear people who complain about a lot of unsavory
business practices that Behringer engaged in 25 years ago when he was
first getting started.

Unsavory practices? Like what, out of curiosity?

Duplicating Aphex exciters so precisely that they left the Aphex logo on the
new PC boards they made, for instance.

To a much lesser extent, copying much of the design of the Mackie 1604 part
for part. That wasn't anywhere near as blatant, especially since there really
was nothing innovative about the 1604 electronics per se.

But sheesh, if you're going to copy the 1604, at least increase the value
of that feedback capacitor in the mike preamp so the low end response doesn't
change when you adjust the trims....
--scott
The was a company called Earth in the 1970s which made exact copies of
Peavey amplifiers.

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