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Frank Stearns wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes: No, I think it's merely a process of selection, and the fact that some people have written music that is intended to be listened to and some have not. Not sure I parse the last part of that enterily. If you're saying there are classical music composers (often acedemics) who write stuff that is "classical music" but stirs nothing in the listener and is in effect unlistenable, I would agree 100%. I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background. The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would include Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy. There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a production category you need to think about what the music is for before you can think about how it should be presented. Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly music that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the edges of what music really is. I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong in. And while Michael Jackson has done some solid performances of some catchy tunes, he's no Sun Ra. I think he's the Victor Herbert of his era, and to be honest that's not a bad thing to be at all. Various parties are still fighting over the estate (or its debts), last I heard.  That's the secret to life, dying before the bills come due... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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geoff wrote: "It's not because the others don't object (strongly) to the "loudness wars". It's because your apparent total and seemingly un-educatable lack of understanding of the causes and mechanisms. "
The causes? The artists or labels want their album as loud as possible. The mechanisms? Process away as much of the loudest parts, apply makeup gain to 'what's left'. What's so difficult to understand about that? You guys just like to argue with others, it seems. |
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polymod wrote:
"hank alrich" wrote in message ... He talks to the mirror and calls it dialog. Man, if that ain't a line from a song, it should be. Poly Thank you. Maybe it will be. ;-) -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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John Williamson wrote:
On 05/01/2015 22:59, wrote: hank alrich: Just WHO are you referring to as "dumb ****"?! (btw I reported that post hank) Who to? This is an unmoderated newsgroup, so there's nobody to report anything to. (Hint. Just because you use Google groups to post, so it looks like a forum, that doesn't mean they can do anything to change who posts here or what they post.) You've just proved your lack of intelligence once again. It understandeth not my stealthiness! The interenets are mine!! -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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geoff wrote:
On 6/01/2015 9:09 a.m., wrote: 2:51 PMgeoff wrote "- show quoted text - That's because you don't talk out loud when typing your posts. geoff " ??? Oh to have to explain ..... "Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard..." geoff Went to put his feet in his mouth and wound up clogging both ears. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes: Frank Stearns wrote: snip Speaking of opera... To me MJ's music is largely a "listen once" then forget experience. Does that make me racist? I kind of feel the opposite way. "ABC" gets stuck in my head and it won't go away. It's a simple song with simple arrangement, but it's a very catchy tune that I have trouble forgetting. Sure, I've had those experiences as well. Fortunately, most of the really obnoxious "high-fat/high-sugar" ones have faded away. Attempting to sing "Amazing Grace" to the tune of "Gilligan's Island" will expunge the culprit. Trust me. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 1:42:22 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:
I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background. The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would include Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy. There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a production category you need to think about what the music is for before you can think about how it should be presented. I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others: music meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work songs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly listened to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to. Peace, Paul |
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Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could
properly format your posts without whole paragraphs running on, and running offscreen, and not properly getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70 or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying." (separate paragraph to follow) Oh I get it now - format is more important to some of you than the message itself. Figures, in this 21st century where appearances and initial impressions trump all other criteria, including but not limited to common sense. And remember: "It's Boo-KAY, nawt Bucket!" smh... |
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skrev i en meddelelse
... Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without whole paragraphs running on, and running offscreen, and not properly getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70 or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying." (separate paragraph to follow) If you do it right software can help the reader. So stop scolding those that try to help you. regards Peter Larsen |
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#93
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... Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without whole paragraphs running on, and running offscreen, and not properly getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70 or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying." (separate paragraph to follow) Oh I get it now - No, you obviously don't get it, probably because you're too much of a dumb ****. format is more important to some of you than the message itself. Such utter bull**** shows that you don't get it. You insist on proving that you're a ****ing idiot, and you are STILL too stupid to understand why you should get a real newsreader (and probably a grown-up keyboard) instead of your little toddler interface from the play room. And remember: And remember, li'l short-bus Krissie is a dumb ****, and so damn proud of it that he has to prove it over and over again smh... ****ing retarded dumb ****, lifetime short-bus rider. How ****ing stupid is it to spend five years in community college to get an associate's degree? How much more stupid is it to put that fact (including the five years it took) on your resume. No wonder you have such a hard time getting hired to clean toilets. Barely got a two-year degree after five years, and it's on your resume. What a dumb ****! A little web research by a potential hirer would reveal you bragging, right here on Usenet, that you didn't actually earn the degree in five years; they just promoted you out because they couldn't stand you or your idiocy any more. What kind of a dumb **** would boast about that? The-K-boy-krapshispants, that's who. Certified short-bus ****-eating dumb ****. |
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On 07/01/2015 12:35, Peter Larsen wrote:
skrev i en meddelelse ... Rasta Robert wrote: "Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without whole paragraphs running on, and running offscreen, and not properly getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70 or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying." (separate paragraph to follow) If you do it right software can help the reader. So stop scolding those that try to help you. And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he could do something about the content? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson
- show quoted text - And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he could do something about the content? - show quoted text - " You still haven't proven what's wrong with what I have to say about issues I'm concerned about. |
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the-k-toddler-****s-his-pants @ kretinmail-dot-dumb**** com wrote in
message ... On a moderated forum I could just block this ... Whether you can block any thread has nothing to do with whether the forum is moderated. It has to do with whether you use a grown-up interface (you don't, you use a toy), and whether you know how to use it (you don't, because you're a moron). People keep telling you to use a real newsreader, but you are too stupid to understand why and how you should do that, so you just keep whining like the whining moron that you will always be. Better yet, it would have been locked or completely removed at least ten replies ago! Better yet, you would have been banned long ago for being a ****stain. The only reason you're here is that it's not moderated, so you can keep coming here to crap all over the newsgroup. Stupidest f'king thing I ever heard... Pretty much everything you spew is much stupider. Several people have tried to explain this to you, but you don't get it ... too stupid. Just WHO are you referring to as 'dumb ****';?!:" You, K-brat, you're a dumb ****. As you keep proving. You're the one he's calling a dumb ****, and rightly so. (btw I reported that post hank) Who did you report him to? Your mommy? Did you write, "Dear Google, I know you don't care, but someone called me a dumb ****, and I have to be a tattle-tale. Signed, Dumb **** Kozicki, lifelong dumb ****." So now you're telling me I don't know what Usenet is ... Well, that's because you keep coming to Usenet and proving that you don't understand what it is. If you understood what Usenet is, you wouldn't make dumb-**** posts about "reporting" other posts. Only a dumb **** who doesn't know what Usenet is would try to "report" a Usenet post, and only an even dumber **** would actually broadcast what a dumb **** he is by bragging about "reporting" a post, because that's just bragging about being a dumb **** who doesn't know what Usenet is.= ... just like you told me I don't understand what the loudness war is. Whoomp, there it is! Being the dumb **** that you are, you get back on your festering hobby horse! It's clear that you don't know what the loudness war is. It's clear from all the dumb **** posts you make about it. And more dumb****ery to come, no doubt. So what the f- else don't I know about: how to PEE? You've shown yourself to be such a moronic dumb **** that there's probably some doubt. And in general, what is this 'say your posts out loud' you people have been echoing in this thread? I guess you're just too much of a dumb **** to understand. It's probably not worth it for you to try to understand. You're just too stupid. I speak in broad, conceptual terms, rather than bogging myself down in mathematical or technical details, to get my points across You post ill-informed idiocy, and when people try to correct you, you just flail your arms and rant about it and insult them. The only points you get across are that you're an idiot, and a moron, and an asshole. Oh yeah, and a dumb ****. For example, I am at odds with nearly everyone on R.A.P, Gearslutz, Head Fi, or any other moderated or unmoderated audio forum, regarding the loudness war in recorded music. That is not due to any lack of understanding of WHY this war exists, but due to my broader, non-nitpicking statements about it. The reasons why you're at odds have been explained to you in painful detail, and in terms a child could understand. But not a dumb **** like you, being that you're not as bright as a typical six-year-old. You keep claiming that you understand about the loudness wars, and then you step in your own pile of **** and prove that you are completely clueless. And then you refuse to understand why people on moderated groups don't like you. The main reasons are that you have no idea what you're talking about (preferring to deny your ignorance rather than correcting it), because you're a moronic dumb****, and that you won't follow the rules, because you're a moronic asshole. The monkey **** that you've smeared all over this thread (and your face) just provides more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an asshole. Short-bus rider for life. |
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... John Williamson wrote: "7:48 AMJohn Williamson - show quoted text - And when he's got that sorted out, maybe he could do something about the content? - show quoted text - " You still haven't proven what's wrong with what I have to say about issues I'm concerned about. Dozens of posters have done so, in many hundreds of posts. You must have missed it because you're such a dumb ****. It must really suck going through life being stupider than the dog**** you keep stepping in. |
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N0ne wrote: "The monkey **** that you've smeared
all over this thread (and your face) just provides more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an" I know who you are. You went to school with me - DOOR SLAMMER. |
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Rasta Robert:
On 2015-01-05, : I just did not get the context in which you made your "get a real news reader" comment. I thought you were criticizing the clarity of my replies via non-desktop means. The context is, that you ) have been flooding this group with your special kind of "spam" and usually ****ed up the "technical form" for usenet posts. It´s actually like your obsession about the "loudness war". There is a kind of "standard"/"norm" for usenet posts and you simply refuse to use it. In this case you, , are the one deploying crap products. Even on google groups you could properly format your posts without whole paragraphs running on, and running off screen, and not properly getting quoted as a result, by using the return key after every 70 or so characters. That would at least make the form less annoying. Well, with the typical content of ´s posts, the form is a smaller problem. The guy just does not *want* to understand anything the way it´s intended. |
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Phil W wrote: "The guy just does not *want* to understand
anything the way it´s intended. " Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE I don't want learn. As far as the loudness goes, all I did was to present theories for additional contributing factors to it. I never said they were thee factors, but that together, with what others have posted, have led to it. |
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PStamler wrote:
I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others: m= usic meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work son= gs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly listened = to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to. I consider dance music to be music you listen to... although what you listen to might be the beat more than the melody. Maybe work songs fit into that category too. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey: "work songs"
Classic rock? Here in the states a classic rock radio station - 104.3 WAXQ - plays "work force blocks", artists like BTO, Boston, Stones, Doobie Brothers, and Steve Miller band. |
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PStamler wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 1:42:22 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote: I kind of divide music into two categories: music that is designed to be listened to, and music that is designed to sit there in the background. The first would include Mozart and the Sex Pistols. The second would include Salieri and Satie, D'Indy and Puff Daddy. There's nothing dishonorable about either category, but from a production category you need to think about what the music is for before you can think about how it should be presented. I think there's at least one more category which may overlap your others: music meant for a specific purpose, like music for a folks dance or work songs to keep a group in rhythm with one another. Neither is exactly listened to, but neither is exactly *not* listened to. Peace, Paul I think Grateful Dead music spans the listen-to and dance-to categories. There are some marvelous lyrics and some big grooves. I recall an interview with a guy from Garage Mahal, wherein he was asked about listeners versus dancers, and he replied that the dancers could be listening to content as deeply or moreso than the listeners. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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skrev i en meddelelse
... fixing it for ya Phil W wrote: The guy just does not *want* to understand anything the way it´s intended. " Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE I don't want learn. You're still posting from google groups. - Peter Larsen |
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Neil wrote:
On 1/6/2015 2:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly music that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the edges of what music really is. Cage is not all that close to the edge! I don't find his music any more challenging to listen to than Stockhausen, and not nearly as complex as Subotnick or the musical sound track of "Forbidden Planet", a couple of examples that I actually enjoy and has lead to much study and emulation of content and style. Some of his work is that way, but he also has consciously spent a lot of time trying to find the edge with works like Water Walk. I'm not sure if a lot of Stockhausen's work is music either. But then, I am not sure I really know where that edge is. I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong in. I would place the 'Dead along with musicians like Sun Ra in a category of music that depends heavily on improvisation as well as composition and is intended to be experienced live. That would make it music to be listened to carefully, then. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Peter Larsen wrote:
skrev i en meddelelse ... fixing it for ya Phil W wrote: The guy just does not *want* to understand anything the way it´s intended. " Prove it. Go inside my brain and PROVE I don't want learn. You're still posting from google groups. - Peter Larsen ˆš Done. Next? -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Peter Larsen wrote: "You're still posting from google groups."
I'm going to say this in context of something you said earlier, about not trashing those who are trying to help. Telling someone to change their method of accessing Usenet does not FEEL helpful to me. I took some others' advice on here about controlling the character length of my lines, and am putting that into practice. The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote and respond to it. And that's the important thing. "Kind regards" |
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John Williamson wrote: "though it would save you work. Unless
you're using a public or work terminal, not your own computer, and you have no choice about using Google Groups, of course. - show quoted text -" Jeez, it's like I'm the only person this distance from the sun using Google Groups, it bothers you that much. Now that it's a *little* easier to read my posts, and whom they are in response to, let's get back to topic. Oh and another thing, I'm also sick n tired of being told I "don't understand" or "don't want to" understand the Loudness War. When I ask "What precisely do I not get?" everyone here, except for one stalker who apparently knows me personally, folds up like two-dollar suitcases and won't cite examples! |
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On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 9:26:23 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Scott Dorsey: "work songs" Classic rock? Here in the states a classic rock radio station - 104.3 WAXQ - plays "work force blocks", artists like BTO, Boston, Stones, Doobie Brothers, and Steve Miller band. That's interesting; I've just gone through a spell of having my neighbor's house get tuckpointed. The crew worked all day with the local Classic-Rock station up loud. Someday someone will write a doctoral dissertation on the use of Classic Rock music as background for blue-collar labor. I know that the place I most often hear it is at the car-repair shop or in instances like my tuckpointing neighbor. Sometimes I think there should be a discussion for recording engineers on mixing and mastering Classic Rock for construction site playback. (I'm not kidding.) But when I brought work songs into the discussion I had in mind songs like this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...1341 00,d.aWw In other words, songs where the beat is used to keep a group working together. They seem to exist in most cultures. Peace, Paul |
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On 8/01/2015 2:08 a.m., None wrote:
the-k-toddler-****s-his-pants @ kretinmail-dot-dumb**** com wrote in message ... On a moderated forum I could just block this ... Whether you can block any thread has nothing to do with whether the forum is moderated. It has to do with whether you use a grown-up interface (you don't, you use a toy), Hey give him a breask. He seems to have recently learned about the line-length thing. For a while at least .... geoff |
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PStamler wrote:
In other words, songs where the beat is used to keep a group working together. They seem to exist in most cultures. I wonder where the music from the disco era movie "Car Wash" would fit in: "beat keeping a group working together"...or "working-group helping a beat keep together"? Concerning music made for a specific purpose, I'm considering a business plan for recording yelling little kids in an old, reverberant, indoor swimming-pool; deliberately driving the levels into clipping; compressing the mix into aerosol containers, and hawking them down at the local street market as high tech paint stripper :-) -- Tom McCreadie "Music is the greatest silent force in the world." - Lionel Richie |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Neil wrote: On 1/6/2015 2:42 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Although I find most of John Cage's work unlistenable, it's clearly music that is intended to be listened to and studied so as to define the edges of what music really is. Cage is not all that close to the edge! I don't find his music any more challenging to listen to than Stockhausen, and not nearly as complex as Subotnick or the musical sound track of "Forbidden Planet", a couple of examples that I actually enjoy and has lead to much study and emulation of content and style. Some of his work is that way, but he also has consciously spent a lot of time trying to find the edge with works like Water Walk. I'm not sure if a lot of Stockhausen's work is music either. But then, I am not sure I really know where that edge is. There's probably more than one edge. I'm still trying to figure out which category the Grateful Dead belong in. I would place the 'Dead along with musicians like Sun Ra in a category of music that depends heavily on improvisation as well as composition and is intended to be experienced live. That would make it music to be listened to carefully, then. Improvisation takes on many forms, some require a lot of attention, others not so much. For me, The 'Dead are in the latter. They build a nice groove that is easy to consume. Sun Ra, McCoy Tyner, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, et al are more "heady" in their improvisations, and sometimes hang out over the edge for a while. Gabriella Montero is one of my favorite improvisational players. Her music is quite easy to listen to, but at the same time is quite structurally sophisticated. I'm fortunate to have experienced all of these players live, and while their recordings are good, they differ quite a bit from the live performances. But, that just leads me to a different kind of appreciation. -- best regards, Neil |
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the-kdumm****-drools @ monkeymail-dot-dumb**** wrote in message
... N0ne wrote: "The monkey **** that you've smeared all over this thread (and your face) just provides more evidence that you're a dumb**** and an" I know who you are. You've already made that claim, more than once. You said that you know I am "hank alrich". As usual, you're totally wrong. Then you said that you know I am "Nil". As usual, you're totally wrong. . You went to school with me - DOOR SLAMMER. .... so now you think I went to school with me. Batting zero with your predictions, dumb****. And you seem to have some pus-oozing festering grudge against someone who slammed a door in your face long ago. Probably because you were being an insufferable dumb****. Was that in junior high? Or was it during your five-year struggle with an attempt at a junior college associates degree? Hehe. You have no idea who I am. I can tell you that, as far as I know, we have never met in person, but you have trouble comprehending simple facts, so you can have your own version of reality. Dumb****. When are you going to live up to your threats, and "report" me to Google, Interpol, and your mommy? And then get all indignant (or is that indigent and ignorant) when someone points out that you have no idea how Usenet works, or peak metering, or mastering, or pretty much any subject at all. Have you ever actually read any of the stinking bat**** that you've posted here? People who read your vomit know a lot about exactly who you are, and how much you refuse to learn. The more you post, the more you prove it, and dozens of other posters have said likewise. If you don't want everyone in the group to know what a dumb**** you are, continual denials won't do the trick. You only give more evidence, with every post, of what a dumb**** you are. Your best bet is to **** off out of here and never come back. Then, eventually, pretty much everyone will forget what a cheesebrain you are. Or, you could just keep reminding us all. Maybe that's really the best you can do. Dumb****. |
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skrev i en meddelelse
... The fact is, I can, via Google Groups(as much as some traditional Usenet users despise it!) read what they wrote and respond to it. And that's the important thing. An understandable viewpoint, but do you want your posts read? "Kind regards" Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Linear Mode
