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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... wrote in message ... and what did I say tur it up until it blinks then turn it back so it wont this is how its done when a clip light is your only meter Which is why that is not the best metering option! did nI ever say it was "the best" metering option? yes or no, please So true, one wonders what the levels on the mix bus are like when he sets 16 channels to clipping point! :-) see above I am clipping nothing during the mixing as most clip lights come on at least 3 if not 6dB before actual clip I have adaquate headroom 16 (or maybe 32) channels at 3dB below clipping does not equal adequate where do youfind 16 or 32 channel mixers without proper metering? headroom on the main mix bus IMO. And a 3dB margin for a live performance almost guarantees you will overload at least one channel at some point! I will let the kick drum peak with some forms of music also many hiphop "artists" DESIRE a clipped fuzzy signal If your clients are happy though, I sure don't care. then why doyou post 30 times in a row about something you neither understand or care about? but honestly I cant remember using any desk over 4 channels that did not provide proper metering so your imagined senerio of 16 channels going to clip simply never has and never will happen The Yamaha EMX series wiring diagram is available on-line, I suggest your ignorance is still showing. MrT. please refrence a professional tool that some one like me would actually use the emx is junior high av deparment crap and is there even a 16 ch emx? yes I know nearly nothing about the detail of some piece of **** mixer I weouldn't drag to the river to throw in check the metering on my ls9/32 or my harrison hm4 or my ramsa 840 or my(now gone) soundcraft K2 your appearing as just a troll at this point george |
#362
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Peter Larsen" wrote in message ... Not so Graham, by not making an adjustment of the record level during the recording I have gained not having to make the reverse adjustment in post to maintain actual dynamics. Nobody suggested continually riding gains during the performance Peter. Getting it right at the start, and knowing you have sufficient headroom, means you do not have to. With two clipped samples on the recorded music I also submit that I got the record level right. If they are relatively short duration, sure. Did you use any metering to set the levels initially, or just a clip led though? You do have the benefit of knowing the sensitivities of your microphones though. Try it with a rock group and let us know how you get on! MrT. your ignorance of the(lack of) dynamic range of rock groups is showing george |
#363
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... with all respect , we discuss LIVE sound not studio sound here Maybe you check ALL the newsgroups in the header again! I really don't give a rats ass what group you crawled out of "I" am posting in aapls studio zombies are not what we do but outside of some shure av mixers I ca't think of any live sound desks that do ot have at least pfl But not PFL metering, which was the claim. pfl metering consists of anything that can check the pre fade level after all in LIVE sound(which is what we do here) PFL stands for opre fade level if you want to listen , use the solo and metering IS anything from the pages and pages of meters my big digital desk have all the way down to a single clip meter and one NEEDS to understand how to use them all it clear you dont its also clear you are not up to live sound standards perhaps you should stsay within something you understand MrT. |
#364
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... we have to establish what exactly you uderstand At least we already know what you understand, nothing :-) MrT. and I am schooling you sad |
#365
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... and what do you use when there is ONLY the clip light? With the EMX I use the meters on my computer that I use as an 8 channel recorder. Sure you could rely on the clip LED's to tell you when it's too late, if that's what you prefer. MrT. sorry , english isn't your first language , is it it seems you missed the part where I explained how to get adaquate headroom , using a clip meter |
#366
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... we dont care if you agree with it they are satisfying MOST of thier customers Where is the customer survey data that supports that statement? Fact is they are more about satisfying their accountant and/or shareholders, no matter how you spin it. MrT. your just a dried up old coot if they were not satisfying thier customers they would not be so succesful there is no monolopy on audio gear manufacturing george |
#367
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Eeyore" wrote in message ... I can tell you MY client's not very happy that buying a new crossover is cost-competitive with a repair Probably cheaper if shipping is taken into account. That's the nature of Chinese manufacture though. MrT. I wasn't happy that I had to put a transmission in my chrysler or a brake booster in my 33,000 gvw ford but will I stop buying cars/trucks because I had to fix one? you want to be happy go buy a puppy |
#368
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Eeyore" wrote in message ... The majority of electronic crossovers sold today are still analogue. DSP is overkill for just a crossover. In your opinion, sure. And why does a lake cost $5000 and a behringer Cost $200/300 dollars? $5000 is way OTT for a crossover though. But of course it's not just a crossover it's a DSP CONTROLLER which is an entirely different animal. But the Beheringer DCX 2496 is also a DSP controller. MrT. and your point is? |
#369
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... So you don't understand the difference between "metering" (as you originally stated) and a simple clip "indicator" then. No but they are metering Thanks for proving my point, you don't know. your point being what? a clip light is a very rudimetairy meter No, it's not a *meter* at all. Aren't you ashamed to keep publishing your ignorance? Ignorance is *not* always bliss you know. MrT. it isa meter. a very basic meter but still a meter arn't you ashamed to be so wrong in such a public forum this will haunt you just like arnii declareing foh was on stage |
#370
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Better advice would be to adjust the gain trim til the clip LEDs light, then turn the gain trim down by TEN dB ! But many desks do not have calibrated gain settings. Without any metering 10dB is only a wild guess. Turning it down so the channel 'just' doesn't clip according to the LEDS gives almost no worthwhile headroom at all. It'll also guarantee nonsense fader settings too. Agreed. not at all, it gives you "around " 10 dB of headroom and even if the clip meter lights due to someone turning way up on stage , just bump it back a touch more the lclip meter is not lighting at clipping it starts to glow well before asny clipping is occouring have either of you ever touched a live sound desk it doesn't seems so from your posts george MrT. |
#371
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Eeyore" wrote in message ... Anyone with half a clue can set channel gains without PFL metering. I rarely need to resort to it. Near enough is good enough for you though it would seem. And you probably don't worry about overloading the mix bus either. I've been giving this some thought. Admittedly I have decades of experience but I didn't clip my channels when I started in this business either. To a certain extent you've either got the 'knack' or you haven't. In my case I do of course have the advantage of a thorough technical understanding of the internal workings too. So now your new claim is that "Anyone with half a clue, a thorough technical understanding of the internal workings, and decades of experience can set channel gains without PFL metering". I can't argue with that! :-) Of course simple metering would make it even easier in any case. what could possibly be simplier than a single metering light? |
#372
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Eeyore" wrote in message ... The only reason I need a channel PFL is if I need to 'troubleshoot'. Like why the audience has to put up with the distortion :-) More like because I want to listen to the channel in detail in isolation. It is pre-fade LISTEN after all. sorry eyesore in live sound that is call the SOLO not the pfl in live sound pfl stands for PRE FADE LEVEL and seeing as this is the live sound group that is the definition that is used Agreed, but YOU were the one who said "The only reason I need a channel PFL is if I need to 'troubleshoot'" I don't consider isolating instruments to check EQ's etc as "troublesooting". and I don't consider that pfl either that is the SOLO function Any decent modern mixer with a sensible gain struture (and operated proficiently) is in no danger whatever of clipping a channel under normal mix conditions. As such, fretting over channel levels is a pointless and futile exercise. You are lucky that all the instruments you plug in have similar output levels then. No they don't. There's this thing called the gain trim you see. Which you prefer to set with clip LED's and I prefer to set with meters. Isn't that what we were arguing about? MrT. no0 one is "arguing" with you ms.T we are laughing at you baiting you and flaming you your a simple troll and are being treat as such |
#373
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Phildo" wrote in message ... No but they are metering Nope, they are warning lights. Like it or not Arnold, they are a form of metering. The trouble with kids these days, they've never even seen a real METER :-) An LED bar graph may be called a "meter" equivalent, but a single LED, no way! Argue all you like, it doesn't prove anything except your lack of linguistic skills. MrT. sorry you wrong on this point T as clip lights vary in bringhtness giving you a full range of indication(metering) not simply clip/not clipped many also change from green to red as clipping approaches its clear now you have never seen a live sound desk in use or you would have known this george |
#374
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Phildo" wrote in message ... How many times do you have to have the reasons for Behringer's decision explained to you before it penetrates your thick skull? I know what their policy is, Sure doesn't look that way from what you are posting. You keep saying that it is all a lie Bull****! All I said was the excuses for that policy are just pathetic spin. Prove they are NOT, or simply accept they simply do what they want, and can get away with. I did years ago! thier sucess is proof of the solid policy they have in place if thier policy did not serve thier customers they would not be so sucessful for so log simple economics ,lil buddy and not believing what you are told so one can only assume you can't get your head round the concept. That's the trouble when you ASSume something. I DO NOT have to agree with it just because you do. So? You may not like it but it is not your decision to make. Did someone say it was? you seem to think it is but you are just a troll, and right now I am haveing fun toying you around MrT. |
#375
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"Mr.T" wrote: "Eeyore" wrote The majority of electronic crossovers sold today are still analogue. DSP is overkill for just a crossover. In your opinion, sure. It's a fact. A basic rossover only needs 4 simple filter sections which are **** easy and cheap to make the analogue way. And why does a lake cost $5000 and a behringer Cost $200/300 dollars? $5000 is way OTT for a crossover though. But of course it's not just a crossover it's a DSP CONTROLLER which is an entirely different animal. But the Beheringer DCX 2496 is also a DSP controller. That's not the unit my client has or needs. See thread title. Graham |
#376
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"Mr.T" wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Better advice would be to adjust the gain trim til the clip LEDs light, then turn the gain trim down by TEN dB ! But many desks do not have calibrated gain settings. Plenty do though. Graham |
#377
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"Mr.T" wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Anyone with half a clue can set channel gains without PFL metering. I rarely need to resort to it. Near enough is good enough for you though it would seem. And you probably don't worry about overloading the mix bus either. I've been giving this some thought. Admittedly I have decades of experience but I didn't clip my channels when I started in this business either. To a certain extent you've either got the 'knack' or you haven't. In my case I do of course have the advantage of a thorough technical understanding of the internal workings too. So now your new claim is that "Anyone with half a clue, a thorough technical understanding of the internal workings, and decades of experience can set channel gains without PFL metering". I can't argue with that! :-) Half a clue would normally suffice ! Of course simple metering would make it even easier in any case. Not amy easier to be honest. I rarely bother with it. Graham |
#378
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"Mr.T" wrote: "Eeyore" wrote There's this thing called the gain trim you see. Which you prefer to set with clip LED's No, that George's idea. and I prefer to set with meters. Isn't that what we were arguing about? I set the channel gain roughly according to how loud I want the channel in the mix with the faders at ~ 0dB. Then you mix with the faders. Simple really and assures perfect gain staging. Graham |
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#381
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#382
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#383
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Peak overload
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u wrote in message ... Peak operating levels through a console or a preamp should be at least 10 dB below clipping. Under those conditions, the clipping light is always dark, and unlikely to ever light. I don't get the point in that speculation. If you want maximum signal to noise ratio then you need to use the available dynamic range. To do that efficiently you of course need to know what you are doing. Yes, like not adding high levels of distortion just to gain a couple of dB of S/N ratio. distortion IS noise Only for the technically illiterate George. IF you can't comprehend the difference between wide band noise and clipping induced distortion, there is no point in me pointing out why it is usually referred to as NOISE + DISTORTION I guess. you can not increase the s/n by adding noise. So why are you advocating running all channels at their clip point? Actually, George is effectively advocating running channels at well above their clip point. If you study the clipping indicators on low and mid-priced equipment, they respond to instantaneous overages, and don't have pulse-stretching circuits that enhance the visibility of clipping. If you measure distortion and examine the clipping indicator at the same time, there will be relatively large amounts of distortion before the clip light glows even faintly. There is a semi-reasonable way to use clipping indicator to set levels, which is to use a calibrated gain control to bring the levels up to the point where clipping is indicated, and then back off the gain a certain number of dB into a presumably safe area. Exactly what back-off to use depends on how the equipment's clipping indicator works, which can be determined from experience, careful listening, and measuring. George and Phildo like to rant and rave very disapprovingly about my use of multichannel recordings of live recordings to evaluate system performance. Peter has already broken that ice in this thread. One of the mmethods I've used to evaluate the operation of clipping indicators is to compare them to recordings of the corresponding channels. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: Actually, George is effectively advocating running channels at well above their clip point. If you study the clipping indicators on low and mid-priced equipment, they respond to instantaneous overages, and don't have pulse-stretching circuits that enhance the visibility of clipping. Mine certainly do. Here's a funny thing though .... We used to get write ups where the reviewers said our peak indicators were 'slow'. For ages we couldn't figure what they were on about until the penny dropped. Our clip LEDs stayed on for TOO LONG according to these guys ! So we reduced the time constant of the circuit (so that they would flicker more) and then they were happy. Bizarre how they imagined it was 'slow' before though. Ity doesn't even remotely affect the response time. It's purely a visual illusion. Graham |
#385
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"Bob Urz" wrote in message
Eeyore wrote: Strange as it may seem, I have seen no such changes in electronic crossover design in some roughly 30 years that they've been popular. Maybe 15 years ago $300 got you a Rane 2 or 3-way, with 4th order L-R filters. In the past 2-3 years $300 gets you a CDX 2496 which outflanks the old Rane analog crossovers every which way but loose. Don't agree here. With the advent of cheaper DSP's and memory, the modern electronic crossover and processor was born. Agreed. Advantages of modern DSP-based crossovers over the old analog classics include: Built-in limiters Flexible configurations More inputs and outputs Built-in equalizers They did not exist 30 years ago. Granted, you mimic in a dsp was was a analog function. But, with higher performance. But its NOT the same animal. It's a superior beast, but it can be more complex to setup. And why does a lake cost $5000 and a behringer Cost $200/300 dollars? Fancy front panels and hype makes up a lot of that difference. In the end, the basics of a crossover is just a filter farm. |
#386
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"Eeyore" wrote in
message Arny Krueger wrote: Actually, George is effectively advocating running channels at well above their clip point. If you study the clipping indicators on low and mid-priced equipment, they respond to instantaneous overages, and don't have pulse-stretching circuits that enhance the visibility of clipping. Mine certainly do. Here's a funny thing though .... We used to get write ups where the reviewers said our peak indicators were 'slow'. For ages we couldn't figure what they were on about until the penny dropped. Our clip LEDs stayed on for TOO LONG according to these guys ! So we reduced the time constant of the circuit (so that they would flicker more) and then they were happy. Bizarre how they imagined it was 'slow' before though. Ity doesn't even remotely affect the response time. It's purely a visual illusion. Many reviewers are stronger on the journalism thing than the audio technology. |
#387
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... you can not increase the s/n by adding noise. So why are you advocating running all channels at their clip point? He isn't. Please learn to read English. Phildo |
#388
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... wrote in message ... and what did I say tur it up until it blinks then turn it back so it wont this is how its done when a clip light is your only meter Which is why that is not the best metering option! But according to Arny 95% of mixing desks only have that if any metering at all. Phildo |
#389
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... wrote in message ... we have to establish what exactly you uderstand At least we already know what you understand, nothing :-) OK, I now understand that Mr T actually stands for Mr Troll. Into the killfile with you ****wit. George, I suggest you do the same. He isn't worthy of your time. Phildo |
#390
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"Phildo" wrote in message
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... The real world of audio often uses mixers with proper metering. I can't say I've ever seen a real studio mixer without a metering bridge! Strange, Arny claims that 95% of desks don't have metering. Go figure. Typical of Phildo's confusion with simple facts. T talks about "real studio mixer", of which only a tiny percentage of all mixers are. Phildo refers my comments, which was based on a percentage of all mixers, professional grade and not, including those jillions of very small mixers that one sees all over the place. The only conflct is in Phildo's mind! |
#391
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
... "Phildo" wrote in message ... How many times do you have to have the reasons for Behringer's decision explained to you before it penetrates your thick skull? I know what their policy is, Sure doesn't look that way from what you are posting. You keep saying that it is all a lie Bull****! All I said was the excuses for that policy are just pathetic spin. No, they are valid reasons. Prove they are NOT, or simply accept they simply do what they want, and can get away with. You are the one making the claims that they are not being honest. YOU prove it. I did years ago! Male Bovine Excrement. and not believing what you are told so one can only assume you can't get your head round the concept. That's the trouble when you ASSume something. Well you have given us plenty of evidence that is the case. We only have your words to go on and all they tell us is that YOU are the ass here. I DO NOT have to agree with it just because you do. So? You may not like it but it is not your decision to make. Did someone say it was? Yes, you did. Phildo |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Actually, George is effectively advocating running channels at well above their clip point. Yet again you show your complete lack of live sound experience and talk crap. If you study the clipping indicators on low and mid-priced equipment, they respond to instantaneous overages, and don't have pulse-stretching circuits that enhance the visibility of clipping. If you measure distortion and examine the clipping indicator at the same time, there will be relatively large amounts of distortion before the clip light glows even faintly. ********. There is a semi-reasonable way to use clipping indicator to set levels, which is to use a calibrated gain control to bring the levels up to the point where clipping is indicated, and then back off the gain a certain number of dB into a presumably safe area. Exactly what back-off to use depends on how the equipment's clipping indicator works, which can be determined from experience, careful listening, and measuring. Which is EXACTLY what George said. George and Phildo like to rant and rave very disapprovingly about my use of multichannel recordings of live recordings to evaluate system performance. Stop twisting things Arnold. You stated that you use it to try to fix feedback ready for the next week's service by which time a lot of things that caused the feedback will have changed. As usual you were talking crap. Phildo |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Phildo" wrote in message "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... The real world of audio often uses mixers with proper metering. I can't say I've ever seen a real studio mixer without a metering bridge! Strange, Arny claims that 95% of desks don't have metering. Go figure. Typical of Phildo's confusion with simple facts. T talks about "real studio mixer", of which only a tiny percentage of all mixers are. Phildo refers my comments, which was based on a percentage of all mixers, professional grade and not, including those jillions of very small mixers that one sees all over the place. The only conflct is in Phildo's mind! This argument is getting sillier by the day |
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"Ron(UK)" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Phildo" wrote in message "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... The real world of audio often uses mixers with proper metering. I can't say I've ever seen a real studio mixer without a metering bridge! Strange, Arny claims that 95% of desks don't have metering. Go figure. Typical of Phildo's confusion with simple facts. T talks about "real studio mixer", of which only a tiny percentage of all mixers are. Phildo refers my comments, which was based on a percentage of all mixers, professional grade and not, including those jillions of very small mixers that one sees all over the place. The only conflct is in Phildo's mind! This argument is getting sillier by the day Agreed, but Phildo keeps bringing it up. |
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On 2007-09-30, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Eeyore wrote: You will notice that every neighborhood used to have a corner TV repair shop, and now they are almost completely gone? Consumer electronics is so cheap that it is not cost-effective to repair. There's no reason it should be. I see nothing on the Behringer site that suggets it is intended to be thrown away after say 3 years. This is the basic lifetime expected of TV sets and VCRs. This is considered to be about the average life of a consumer electronics product. I don't know where you have been buying TVs, but their lifetime is 20 years and more, routinely demonstrated in real life. VCRs maybe less because of dust/cleanliness issues, but they certainly last more than three years. Since people regularly want to upgrade to get new features, it's not considered important to extend the lifetime greatly beyond that point. This is the way cheap consumer electronics are. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I like it. It makes sense for me, except for things that I am going to be relying on on a daily basis. Even then it might make sense if I can afford to inventory a hot spare. The percentage of DOAs for electronic gear keeps dropping along with the price. Go figure. -- Mickey Some people have twenty years of experience, some people have one year of experience twenty times over. -- Anonymous |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Agreed, but Phildo keeps bringing it up. 'Cause he did it first mommy. Ya know what Arny - the difference is that Phildo makes no pretenses about what kind of asshole he is. The two of you are a comedy in motion in this group but you seem to lack the awareness of your contribution. -- -Mike- |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. Agreed, but Phildo keeps bringing it up. 'Cause he did it first mommy. Ya know what Arny - the difference is that Phildo makes no pretenses about what kind of asshole he is. The two of you are a comedy in motion in this group but you seem to lack the awareness of your contribution. I'd like to see how you'd be about it if Phildo harassed you the same way. |
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Phildo wrote: "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote you can not increase the s/n by adding noise. So why are you advocating running all channels at their clip point? He isn't. Indeed. We shouldn't misrepresent what George said. George is merely advocating operating all the channels at 'near' to their clip point. It IS as stupid as Mr T suggests though. Graham |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Arny Krueger wrote: "Phildo" wrote "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote The real world of audio often uses mixers with proper metering. I can't say I've ever seen a real studio mixer without a metering bridge! Strange, Arny claims that 95% of desks don't have metering. Go figure. Typical of Phildo's confusion with simple facts. T talks about "real studio mixer", of which only a tiny percentage of all mixers are. Phildo refers my comments, which was based on a percentage of all mixers, professional grade and not, including those jillions of very small mixers that one sees all over the place. The only conflct is in Phildo's mind! Phildo's grasp on reality is tenuous. I just discovered that the majority of Behringer's Xenyx and Eurorack range don't have PFL. Maybe Phildo will stop claiming Behringer kit is professional now ? I doubt it though. Graham |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"Ron(UK)" wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: Phildo refers my comments, which was based on a percentage of all mixers, professional grade and not, including those jillions of very small mixers that one sees all over the place. The only conflct is in Phildo's mind! This argument is getting sillier by the day Check out how few Behringer mixers have PFL. It startled me. Graham |
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