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Syncing Behringer ADAT preamp with M-Audio FW1814
Hi,
I recently bought a Behringer ADA8000 8-channel preamp with ADAT out and an M-Audio FW1814 interface with 8 analog ins and 8 ADAT ins. The aim was to have 16 channels of analog input (to record full bands). In the past I've had problems with phasing and sync when I split the drum kit over two interfaces - eg overheads using one interface and snare on the other. I thought that one interface with both analog inputs and ADAT inputs would solve this problem, but today I ran an experiment (to cut it short, I ran a split, ie identical, mono signal into both analog input 1 and ADAT input 1 and recorded the results into two parallel mono wav files) which suggested otherwise. When I normalised both files to the same level with their RMS, reversed the phase of one file and mixed it with the other, the signal didn't cancel out as it should - instead I was just left with a phasey, horrible sounding track. The average amplitude was about the same as it was before. I noticed that one of the tracks was behind the other by about 5ms so I corrected this by lopping off the first 5ms and tried again to invert and mix. This time I still got a phasey track, but it was a little quieter, and with much less low end. More like what I should've got, but it was still peaking at a good -8 dB or so. What am I doing wrong? How can I sync up the ADAT inputs and the analog inputs so that I know I can record a drum kit using both without worrying about phasing problems, if I need more than 8 channels? I was using the clock on the ADA8000 as master, which I've heard is fairly poor, so would I improve performance by finding a cable and slaving to ADA8000 to use the M-Audio's word clock instead? I don't have the budget to buy an external clock. Thanks, TJ |
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"TJ Hertz" wrote in message
today I ran an experiment (to cut it short, I ran a split, ie identical, mono signal into both analog input 1 and ADAT input 1 and recorded the results into two parallel mono wav files) which suggested otherwise. When I normalised both files to the same level with their RMS, reversed the phase of one file and mixed it with the other, the signal didn't cancel out as it should - instead I was just left with a phasey, horrible sounding track. The average amplitude was about the same as it was before. This is consistent with what you found next - that the tracks were not in perfect synch. I noticed that one of the tracks was behind the other by about 5ms so I corrected this by lopping off the first 5ms and tried again to invert and mix. If you want those tracks to be in perfect synch, you're going to have to learn how to do better. You're also going to have to be able to tolerate less than perfect timing between tracks. This time I still got a phasey track, but it was a little quieter, and with much less low end. More like what I should've got, but it was still peaking at a good -8 dB or so. What am I doing wrong? Probably nothing, at least as far as clocking goes. How can I sync up the ADAT inputs and the analog inputs so that I know I can record a drum kit using both without worrying about phasing problems, if I need more than 8 channels? The usual rule of thumb is that an audio interface has just one clock, and I'm going to assume that this is the case with the FW1814. Given that your source was a mulitchannel source, there's plenty of evidence that you were in some sense clocking it properly, because if its clock was in any sense running free, your interface would not be able to demultiplex the channels. I was using the clock on the ADA8000 as master, which I've heard is fairly poor, so would I improve performance by finding a cable and slaving to ADA8000 to use the M-Audio's word clock instead? I don't think that you're going to fix your situation with better clocking. The interface seems to be in about as good synch as its ever going to get. I don't have the budget to buy an external clock. I don't think you need one. If you had a clocking problem that you could fix, you could probably just run a second lightpipe to the ADA8000's output side and set it up to synch from the source. Set up the FW1814 to be the master, and that would be that. Rather, I think that Mike got on the right track when he started talking about latency. I think you're in a situation where your FW1814 analog input channels have a certain amount of latency and your ADA8000 analog input channels have a different amount of latency. Other than running both interfaces at a higher clock (which in your case isn't that much faster of a clock so forget it) you can't change your audio interface's latency. Some recording software (like Audition/CE) allows you to compensate for the latency of each audio interface or channel or channel pair seperately. The ADAT I/O channels on the FW1814 may be independent enough from the analog inputs that they would be treated as separate items by your recording software. I don't know for sure if this feature is available to you. You should look for it. If you can adjust for the differences in interface latency in your software, you're probably going to be able to adjust it within 100ths of a mSec or better, which is pretty close to perfect. Sound travels about a foot in a millisecond, so you may be able to correct your inter-channel synch to be about the same as having two mics different distances from the source by a small fraction of an inch. This is probably going to be good enough. Depending on your recording software, you can synch tracks by hand much closer than 1 mSec. By keeping track of what you are doing when you hand synch you can figure out what the right latency settings are for your software if this feature is available to you. With a recording of a sharp click I can hand-synch two tracks in Audition within a few samples. That's different by only a tenth of an inch or less. With better synch you can move the comb filter effects up so high that they aren't much of a problem. How carefully do you and can you position mics? |
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