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Magnepans in a live SR environment
"Johann Spischak" wrote ...
"genericaudioperson" schrieb ... Thanks for the insights, Mr. Dorsey and everyone else. That's an interseting concept that wider dispersion means less horn resonance. I also never knew there is a unidirectional planar. I'm not going to do the planars. While the posted reasons against using them vary, the consistent theme is that everybody is recommending against them. I trust the collective wisdom of this group. I remember seeing the Stage Accompany speakers at AES a number of years ago. I rembember them sounding a lot better than the typical PA cabinet. I had forgotten what the brand was. Thanks for the reminder! I am sorry to post so late into this thread, but I think I can give some arguments to it. First, our own experiences: One of our happy customer, a componist, whom music we have remastered, gave several university lectures about the sound of his CD in Zürich, Hong Kong University, Rotary Club of Singapore, National University of Singapore, Conservatory Recital Studio of the International Conservatory of Music and so on. Everywhere was used Magnepan's 20,1 or 3,6 as loudspeaker. I was agreed to make demonstrations of my mastering technology only if open loudpeakers will used. The audience was everywhere fascinated. Check out this link, "SR" in the subject line = Sound Reinforcement "componist" = composer in English? What kind of live sound does a componist/composer make that requires *reinforcement* (beyond his speaking voice)? |
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"Richard Crowley" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . ..
"Johann Spischak" wrote ... "genericaudioperson" schrieb ... Thanks for the insights, Mr. Dorsey and everyone else. That's an interseting concept that wider dispersion means less horn resonance. I also never knew there is a unidirectional planar. I'm not going to do the planars. While the posted reasons against using them vary, the consistent theme is that everybody is recommending against them. I trust the collective wisdom of this group. I remember seeing the Stage Accompany speakers at AES a number of years ago. I rembember them sounding a lot better than the typical PA cabinet. I had forgotten what the brand was. Thanks for the reminder! I am sorry to post so late into this thread, but I think I can give some arguments to it. First, our own experiences: One of our happy customer, a componist, whom music we have remastered, gave several university lectures about the sound of his CD in Zürich, Hong Kong University, Rotary Club of Singapore, National University of Singapore, Conservatory Recital Studio of the International Conservatory of Music and so on. Everywhere was used Magnepan's 20,1 or 3,6 as loudspeaker. I was agreed to make demonstrations of my mastering technology only if open loudpeakers will used. The audience was everywhere fascinated. Check out this link, "SR" in the subject line = Sound Reinforcement "componist" = composer in English? What kind of live sound does a componist/composer make that requires *reinforcement* (beyond his speaking voice)? Yes, composer. He plays his music from CDs in original and remastered versions. (as you see in the text above) |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote...
"Richard Crowley" schrieb ... What kind of live sound does a componist/composer make that requires *reinforcement* (beyond his speaking voice)? Yes, composer. He plays his music from CDs in original and remastered versions. (as you see in the text above) Which is an interesting story. But I don't see how it has anything to do with the problems of using planar speakers in live music reinforcement situation? |
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"Charlie Olsen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:20:46 -0800, Richard Crowley wrote: "Johann Spischak" wrote... "Richard Crowley" schrieb ... What kind of live sound does a componist/composer make that requires *reinforcement* (beyond his speaking voice)? Yes, composer. He plays his music from CDs in original and remastered versions. (as you see in the text above) Which is an interesting story. But I don't see how it has anything to do with the problems of using planar speakers in live music reinforcement situation? That's the point I am making. IOW one drop of the mic, one feedback loop etc. SR systems are designed to CREATE music. IOW live. Home systems are designed to RE-CREATE music. IOW, already recorded and processed music. Yes there is a grey area of overlap, ie:I know some churches that use Mackie HR824's as PA speakers for the pastor and praise group etc. They work well. But in general, I'm not going to take my KEF 105's to my next gig Even that is, why I mentioned MAD loudspeakers. They are constructed exactly for this purpose _and_ are planars at the same time. Most interesting is for me, that their newly developed models prooving even, that the always used arguments against planars are not true and this way you can have new products which would never be possible to build with boxed-cone speakers. In a university auditorium by recreating sound with live commentary is the situation even more sensitive. If the undersandability of the person's live voice is good, then will be the conserve music tend to sound like a telephone. Well, that is the point, where the quality of the conserve decides the match. Perhaps even wiith your KEF105, in despite of it is box :-) And that time (one year ago) was our glass CD with direct-in-glass-mastering not there yet.:-) Cheers, Johann |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message
Even that is, why I mentioned MAD loudspeakers. They are constructed exactly for this purpose _and_ are planars at the same time. The Mad speakers appear to be a whole 'nuther thing, and not directly comparable to Magnepans. http://www.getmad.com/spkrs_a8.html "Suppressed back wave converts dipole radiation pattern to cardioid" "Recommended crossover: for high SPL low frequency output 100 to 150Hz, 24dB L/R" Summary: The MAD SR systems aren't dipoles even though they are composed of dipole driver elements (seems like a good idea) The MAD SR systems would need subwoofers to have comparable power response to common SR speakers. ....and those subwoofers would likely be enclosed in boxes. You have to remember that many SR speakers make heavy use large waveguide drivers that really don't care that much whether they are mounted in boxes, since their back waves are suppressed in the drivers. |
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"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
"Johann Spischak" wrote in message Even that is, why I mentioned MAD loudspeakers. They are constructed exactly for this purpose _and_ are planars at the same time. The Mad speakers appear to be a whole 'nuther thing, and not directly comparable to Magnepans. http://www.getmad.com/spkrs_a8.html "Suppressed back wave converts dipole radiation pattern to cardioid" "Recommended crossover: for high SPL low frequency output 100 to 150Hz, 24dB L/R" Summary: The MAD SR systems aren't dipoles even though they are composed of dipole driver elements (seems like a good idea) The MAD SR systems would need subwoofers to have comparable power response to common SR speakers. ...and those subwoofers would likely be enclosed in boxes. You have to remember that many SR speakers make heavy use large waveguide drivers that really don't care that much whether they are mounted in boxes, since their back waves are suppressed in the drivers. Sorry Arny, you have to look around on their website again. The back waves are not suppressed, there is a foam layer to avoid physical dangers. The wide range panels _are_ dipoles and as bigger that panel will be as less bass will be missed. Look at the New York concert page, there was no additional bass panels used. On the european events is the same. Further, by the loudspeaker details you will find their dipole bass panel! :-) That makes fun! However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. Regads, Johann |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... "Johann Spischak" wrote in message Even that is, why I mentioned MAD loudspeakers. They are constructed exactly for this purpose _and_ are planars at the same time. The Mad speakers appear to be a whole 'nuther thing, and not directly comparable to Magnepans. http://www.getmad.com/spkrs_a8.html "Suppressed back wave converts dipole radiation pattern to cardioid" "Recommended crossover: for high SPL low frequency output 100 to 150Hz, 24dB L/R" Summary: The MAD SR systems aren't dipoles even though they are composed of dipole driver elements (seems like a good idea) The MAD SR systems would need subwoofers to have comparable power response to common SR speakers. ...and those subwoofers would likely be enclosed in boxes. as indeed they are for http://www.getmad.com/woofer_vfl18.html You have to remember that many SR speakers make heavy use large waveguide drivers that really don't care that much whether they are mounted in boxes, since their back waves are suppressed in the drivers. Sorry Arny, you have to look around on their website again. Oh, the direct quote I took from their website is in error? No, I think you ought to check my links before you start throwing stones. :-( The same text shows up on several other pages in their speakers for SR. The back waves are not suppressed, there is a foam layer to avoid physical dangers. The wide range panels _are_ dipoles and as bigger that panel will be as less bass will be missed. Look at the New York concert page, there was no additional bass panels used. On the european events is the same. Further, by the loudspeaker details you will find their dipole bass panel! :-) That makes fun! http://www.getmad.com/woofer_vfl18.html Rather obviously a fairly classic bass bin with what appears to be a conventional driver with a 4" voice coil. However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. It ain't classic SR, nothing like it. Playing a recording of a piano is not reinforcement, it is reproduction. Providing support for a single person lecturing in a good concent hall is a trivial application. |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote ...
However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. But not "live SR" (sound RE-enforcement) in any sense of the term. |
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http://www.getmad.com/woofer_vfl18.html Rather obviously a fairly classic bass bin with what appears to be a conventional driver with a 4" voice coil. This is not their dipole version, that looks a bit thinner and wider and the text is totally different too. They working on the website (again), as it looks. However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. It ain't classic SR, nothing like it. Classic is it not, but should be:-) |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message
However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. It ain't classic SR, nothing like it. Classic is it not, but should be:-) You understand that there is a place in hell where people have to do SR with nothing but speakers that are all bipolar or omni, and microphones that are all bipolar or omni? ;-) Seriously, cardioid and hypercardioid mics and speakers really help you when you are doing SR in general. |
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"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
"Johann Spischak" wrote in message However, for our university lectures the big Magnepans have made a wonderful job. It ain't classic SR, nothing like it. Classic is it not, but should be:-) You understand that there is a place in hell where people have to do SR with nothing but speakers that are all bipolar or omni, and microphones that are all bipolar or omni? ;-) Exactly! By me it is already genetic. On the left ear goes in and the other side out! Even bipolar, no enclosed box.:-) |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
You understand that there is a place in hell where people have to do SR with nothing but speakers that are all bipolar or omni, and microphones that are all bipolar or omni? ;-) That place is called "200 Hz and below." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: You understand that there is a place in hell where people have to do SR with nothing but speakers that are all bipolar or omni, and microphones that are all bipolar or omni? ;-) That place is called "200 Hz and below." A lot more true than one could hope. But it would be even worse if it were true across the audio band. |
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Per Scott, the term "HPF" shall now officially be known as an acronym
for "Hell Pass Filter" :-) |
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