[west]

What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

-west

[Arny Krueger]

"west" wrote in message
news:dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced
mic cable so I can buy in bulk and make my own audiophile
interconnects? Thanks.

RG-6

[Serge Auckland]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"west" wrote in message
news:dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced
mic cable so I can buy in bulk and make my own audiophile
interconnects? Thanks.

RG-6


RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with it. RG6 is better
shielded (although there are inferior RG6 cables out there)but it's
questionable whether the extra shielding is of value for audio.

Both are 75 ohms cables, so they can be used equally well for analogue
or digital.

By the way, neither should be thought of as a "mic cable" as they are
unbalanced. For mic use, (or balanced analogue) I would go for a
star-quad cable.

S.

[Meindert Sprang]

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with it. RG6 is better
shielded (although there are inferior RG6 cables out there)but it's
questionable whether the extra shielding is of value for audio.

No, it is not.

Both are 75 ohms cables, so they can be used equally well for analogue
or digital.

The cable impedance has no influence at all at audio frequencies when cable
runs are short. compared to the wavelength of the signal. For audio, runs
longer than roughly 1000 metres would need some impedance matching.

Meindert

[Serge Auckland]

Meindert Sprang wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with it. RG6 is better
shielded (although there are inferior RG6 cables out there)but it's
questionable whether the extra shielding is of value for audio.

No, it is not.

Both are 75 ohms cables, so they can be used equally well for analogue
or digital.

The cable impedance has no influence at all at audio frequencies when cable
runs are short. compared to the wavelength of the signal. For audio, runs
longer than roughly 1000 metres would need some impedance matching.

Meindert


Correct. What I meant was that as the cable is 75 ohms, it can be used
for digital audio. Of course it can also be used for analogue, the
impedance then doesn't matter.

For runs of more than 10-20 metres I would want my circuits balanced in
any case.

S.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08, west wrote:
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

Go to the Belden catalogue. Look at the coax. Pick the one with the lowest
capacitance you can get. Belden 89269 is nice although it's kind of stiff.

The real solution to this problem is to use 600 ohm balanced interconnect
lines like the pro audio world has been using for nearly a century now.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Serge Auckland wrote:

RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with it. RG6 is better
shielded (although there are inferior RG6 cables out there)but it's
questionable whether the extra shielding is of value for audio.

The problem is that most of the RG-6 and RG-59 cables out there have
aluminum screens and braid, which makes soldering problematic. You can
get copper RG-59, but you won't get it from the dumpsters behind the
cable headend. So check carefully before you take it home.

Note also that RG-59 won't fit into most RCA connectors, although RG-58
is usually okay.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[GregS]

In article , (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08, west wrote:
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

Go to the Belden catalogue. Look at the coax. Pick the one with the lowest
capacitance you can get. Belden 89269 is nice although it's kind of stiff.

The real solution to this problem is to use 600 ohm balanced interconnect
lines like the pro audio world has been using for nearly a century now.

I have used RG62. Still have a big roll. I see a roll of TFE type on Ebay.
Thats got to be the ultimate.

greg

[Richard Crowley]

"west" wrote ...
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end
unbalanced mic cable so I can buy in bulk and
make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

I make mine from Belden 9259 which is a nice, flexible
RG-59 coaxial cable with real braided copper outer shield,
and stranded copper inner conductor. www.mouser.com
part # 566-9259-100 (100 ft roll)

I use crimp-on RCA connectors. I think this was what I
bought last time... www.mouser.com part # 171-8114
The inner conductor of the RCA is soldered, of course,
not crimped.

You can get heat-shrink tubing in at least 10 colors to
put around the connector for color-coding. I have an
expensive heat gun to shrink tubing, but I usually just
use a candle.

Real unbalanced mic cable is a rare thing (most mics being
low impedance balanced) and I would not recommend it
for audio interconnects. It is optimized for different things
(very low capacitance, low triboelectric effect, etc.) that
will only cost $$$ with no benefit for your application.
Also, termination is much more difficult than using RG
type coaxial cable with crimp connectors.

[GregS]

In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article , (Scott Dorsey)
wrote:
In article dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08, west wrote:
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

Go to the Belden catalogue. Look at the coax. Pick the one with the lowest
capacitance you can get. Belden 89269 is nice although it's kind of stiff.

The real solution to this problem is to use 600 ohm balanced interconnect
lines like the pro audio world has been using for nearly a century now.

I have used RG62. Still have a big roll. I see a roll of TFE type on Ebay.
Thats got to be the ultimate.

I can't tell how they say its TFE.

I used to use the smaller TFE coax when I got it at hamfests or, for free.
Aside from being the best insulator, in electronics the signal goes faster
through TFE coax. It makes a big difference when timming circuits are
used. If its called hi-end, its got to be TFE.

greg

[Serge Auckland]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Serge Auckland wrote:
RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with it. RG6 is better
shielded (although there are inferior RG6 cables out there)but it's
questionable whether the extra shielding is of value for audio.

The problem is that most of the RG-6 and RG-59 cables out there have
aluminum screens and braid, which makes soldering problematic. You can
get copper RG-59, but you won't get it from the dumpsters behind the
cable headend. So check carefully before you take it home.

Note also that RG-59 won't fit into most RCA connectors, although RG-58
is usually okay.
--scott

RG58 is fine for analogue, but being a 50 ohms cable, it shouldn't be
used for digital (although for short runs it really doesn't matter). I
would be very unhappy to introduce any 50 ohm stuff into my system, as
after a while, one may well forget what the cable was, and find odd
things happening on longer digital runs.

I agree that RG59 is thicker, but some of the better quality phono/RCA
plugs will accommodate it perfectly well. I have used Audio Technica,
WBT and Neutrix plugs on RG59 with no problems (With Neutrix, you have
to remove the strain-relief spring).

S.

[Arny Krueger]

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
message
"Serge Auckland"
wrote in
message ...
RG59 is also good. I've made all my interconnects with
it. RG6 is better shielded (although there are inferior
RG6 cables out there)but it's questionable whether the
extra shielding is of value for audio.

No, it is not.

Both are 75 ohms cables, so they can be used equally
well for analogue or digital.

The cable impedance has no influence at all at audio
frequencies when cable runs are short. compared to the
wavelength of the signal. For audio, runs longer than
roughly 1000 metres would need some impedance matching.

Agreed, but obviously the OP is not into functional considerations. If he
was, the interconnects that came with his equipment would pass those
audio-modulated electrons about as good as anything.

I recommended RG6 primarily because common types of it are hard to solder,
and yield a stiff, bulky cable. So much the better for the bragging rights!
;-)

[west]

"GregS" wrote in message
...
In article , (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
In article dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08, west
wrote:
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I
can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

Go to the Belden catalogue. Look at the coax. Pick the one with the
lowest
capacitance you can get. Belden 89269 is nice although it's kind of
stiff.

The real solution to this problem is to use 600 ohm balanced interconnect
lines like the pro audio world has been using for nearly a century now.

I have used RG62. Still have a big roll. I see a roll of TFE type on Ebay.
Thats got to be the ultimate.

I couldn't find it on Ebay.

west

greg

[Walt]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08, west wrote:

What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced mic cable so I can
buy in bulk and make my own audiophile interconnects? Thanks.

Go to the Belden catalogue. Look at the coax. Pick the one with the lowest
capacitance you can get.
Belden 89269 is nice although it's kind of stiff.

The real solution to this problem is to use 600 ohm balanced interconnect
lines like the pro audio world has been using for nearly a century now.

Um, few people/facilities actually use 600 ohm connections anymore. A
typical analog interconnect is a few ohms output impedance and a 10k or
more input impedance. Bridging vs. Matching.

Balanced is good though. Likewise Belden products.

For the OP, just use a single pair shielded cable like Belden 8451 and
ignore the black wire.

//Walt

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
"west" wrote in message
news:dQBxh.16120$VY5.2928@trnddc08
What is the name & model # of the very hi-end unbalanced
mic cable so I can buy in bulk and make my own audiophile
interconnects? Thanks.

RG-6

One thing is for sure, RG6 makes lousy *microhone* cable. Far too stiff for
the purpose IMO.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
Real unbalanced mic cable is a rare thing (most mics being
low impedance balanced) and I would not recommend it
for audio interconnects.

In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.
Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice than
RG59/RG6 etc.

MrT.

[Phil Allison]

"Meindert Sprang"

The cable impedance has no influence at all at audio frequencies when
cable
runs are short. compared to the wavelength of the signal. For audio, runs
longer than roughly 1000 metres would need some impedance matching.


** Here we go again with another know nothing fool sprouting half baked ham
radio theory on an audio forum.

FYI :

1000 metres of unterminated 75 ohm co-ax has a **capacitance** of about
70nF.

If driven from a 600 ohm source, the response at the * drive* end would be
over 3 dB down by 3.8 kHz, ie the bandwidth of a telephone !!!

Terminating the co-ax with 75 ohms would eliminate the response droop
problem while appropriate matching at each end would eliminate voltage loss
as well.



........ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.T"


In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.

Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice than
RG59/RG6 etc.


** How so ?

RG59 ( 6.15mm OD ) has about 10% the capacitance of " instrument cable "
and unlike the latter fits easily in most RCA plugs.



........ Phil

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice
than
RG59/RG6 etc.

** How so ?

*FAR* more flexible.

RG59 ( 6.15mm OD ) has about 10% the capacitance of " instrument cable "

Depends on the instrument cable, and if the length is enough to worry about
it, in most cases you should be going to balanced anyway.
For the usual 1-2 metre interconnects, it is not a factor.

and unlike the latter fits easily in most RCA plugs.

Are you suggesting using the cheapest available RCA pugs with 6mm instrument
cable, rather than buying the readily available RCA plugs designed for that
cable? Hell you get as much benefit from the better Neutrik etc. connectors,
as you will from the cable.

However 4mm or 5mm instrument cable is also available. Just what crap plugs
don't fit that?

MrT.

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.T"

Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice
than RG59/RG6 etc.

** How so ?

*FAR* more flexible.


** Not important for cables that stay in one place.



RG59 ( 6.15mm OD ) has about 10% the capacitance of " instrument cable "

Depends on the instrument cable,


** So you cannot see the word "about" ?



and if the length is enough to worry about
it, in most cases you should be going to balanced anyway.


** Plenty of cases exist where unbalanced is more appropriate.


For the usual 1-2 metre interconnects, it is not a factor.


** Shame about what can happen with longer runs.

Shame about sources with impedances over 3000 ohms - ie Quad 33 and lotsa
valve stuff.


and unlike the latter fits easily in most RCA plugs.


** No sane answer given.


However 4mm or 5mm instrument cable is also available.


** But not near as cheaply or so readily as the thicker kind.

You have lost on every point - asshole

**** off.




........ Phil

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
*FAR* more flexible.

** Not important for cables that stay in one place.

In your opinion. Still put's a strain on those crappy RCA connctors
connectors you want to use though.

RG59 ( 6.15mm OD ) has about 10% the capacitance of " instrument cable
"

Depends on the instrument cable,

** So you cannot see the word "about" ?

Sure did, but then your statment is worthless.

and if the length is enough to worry about
it, in most cases you should be going to balanced anyway.

** Plenty of cases exist where unbalanced is more appropriate.

You didn't see the statement 'in most cases" :-)

For the usual 1-2 metre interconnects, it is not a factor.

** Shame about what can happen with longer runs.

So who was taliking about longer runs? Not the OP from what I saw.

Shame about sources with impedances over 3000 ohms - ie Quad 33 and
lotsa
valve stuff.

Yes, antiques require special consideration.

and unlike the latter fits easily in most RCA plugs.

** No sane answer given.

...... from Phil, very true.

However 4mm or 5mm instrument cable is also available.

** But not near as cheaply or so readily as the thicker kind.

What crap.

You have lost on every point - asshole

Says you and no one else. How surprising :-)

MrT.

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.Turd the Asshole"


( snip this asinine cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left )



** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.

Back to the kiddie porn for you.



.......... Phil

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
"the Asshole"
( snip this asinine cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left )

So True!

** You have lost on each and every point

I am SOOO worried about YOUR judgement :-)

Back to the kiddie porn

Don't let me keep you from it then.

MrT.

[Tim Padrick]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
...

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
"the Asshole"
( snip this asinine cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left )

So True!

** You have lost on each and every point

I am SOOO worried about YOUR judgement :-)

Back to the kiddie porn

Don't let me keep you from it then.

MrT.




Linn Analogue Interconnect. Simple, affordable, sounds very good.
http://www.knekt.com/spec_sound/prod...avBar=Playback

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.Turd the Asshole"


( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )


** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.

Back to the kiddie porn for you.





.......... Phil

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison the wrote in message
...
( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )

** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.
Back to the kiddie porn
......... Phil


Your autoresponder seems to be stuck Phil.

MrT.

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.Turd the Autistic Asshole"


( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )


** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.

Back to the kiddie porn.




.......... Phil

[Richard Crowley]

"Mr.T" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
Real unbalanced mic cable is a rare thing (most mics being
low impedance balanced) and I would not recommend it
for audio interconnects.

In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same
as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting
electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.
Works perfectly well for audio interconnects,

Using what connectors, exactly?

and a FAR better choice than RG59/RG6 etc.

Using what connectors, exactly?

[Geoff]

Tim Padrick wrote:
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

Linn Analogue Interconnect. Simple, affordable, sounds very good.
http://www.knekt.com/spec_sound/prod...avBar=Playback

I auditioned one of these against some others including a $5
rat-shack-equivalent, and could discern no difference at all. And with a
simple single-blind unscientific test, neither could the cable's
owner/investor.

Build quality was good, but so were some others @ around the $20 mark.

geoff

[west]

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Meindert Sprang"

The cable impedance has no influence at all at audio frequencies when
cable
runs are short. compared to the wavelength of the signal. For audio,
runs
longer than roughly 1000 metres would need some impedance matching.


** Here we go again with another know nothing fool sprouting half baked
ham
radio theory on an audio forum.

FYI :

1000 metres of unterminated 75 ohm co-ax has a **capacitance** of about
70nF.

If driven from a 600 ohm source, the response at the * drive* end would be
over 3 dB down by 3.8 kHz, ie the bandwidth of a telephone !!!

Terminating the co-ax with 75 ohms would eliminate the response droop
problem while appropriate matching at each end would eliminate voltage
loss
as well.

I know Phil, that deep down inside you like me. Perhaps sometime we can
meet.

Fondly,
west


....... Phil

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:13:31 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Mr.T"


In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.

Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice than
RG59/RG6 etc.


** How so ?

RG59 is microphonic in high Z circuits, it puts out noise when excited by
vibration.

[Phil Allison]

In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same
as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting
electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.

Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice
than
RG59/RG6 etc.


** How so ?

RG59 is microphonic in high Z circuits, it puts out noise when excited by
vibration.


** Not even faintly an issue with line level audio interconnects - you
******.

Guitarists can notice it if they have a lead made with RG58 or 59 plugged
into a GUITAR amp while unterminated at the instrument end.




.......... Phil

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:02:42 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:




In fact what most people call unbalanced mic cable is usually the same
as
single conductor instrument cable. More often used for connecting
electric
guitars, keyboards etc. rather than microphones.

Works perfectly well for audio interconnects, and a FAR better choice
than
RG59/RG6 etc.


** How so ?

RG59 is microphonic in high Z circuits, it puts out noise when excited by
vibration.


** Not even faintly an issue with line level audio interconnects - you
******.

no one mentioned high level, wankee... or S/N... read his post above,

I'll re-quote it for you: (please don't snip it later...)

More often used for connecting
electric
guitars,

you said:

Guitarists can notice it if they have a lead made with RG58 or 59 plugged
into a GUITAR amp


GUITAR amp? You didn't see those words above? You didn't notice he said
guitar amps?.

I did, and I answered your inquiry to his post perfectly.


while unterminated at the instrument end.


Un terminated??? Bull****! a pickup is a termination... cable noise can be
heard while playing.



......... Phil
losing it



yer really slipping, phil, I OWN you!!!

[Phil Allison]

= schizo asshole


RG59 is microphonic in high Z circuits, it puts out noise when excited
by
vibration.


** Not even faintly an issue with line level audio interconnects - you
******.

no one mentioned high level,


** Line level, unbalanced audio IS the application - you asinine
****wit.

Go read the first post in the thread from "west".

Then, GO DROP DEAD !!!




.......... Phil

[Mr.T]

"Phil Allison the Autistic Asshole" wrote in
message ...
( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )
** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.
Back to the kiddie porn.

Your autoresponder is still stuck Phil.

BTW, keep advertising your fixation on kiddie porn, hopefully they will lock
you up soon!

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
and a FAR better choice than RG59/RG6 etc.

Using what connectors, exactly?

Obviously the ones your equipment requires if not RCA!

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Tim Padrick wrote:
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

Linn Analogue Interconnect. Simple, affordable, sounds very good.

http://www.knekt.com/spec_sound/prod...63&activeNavBa
r=products&activeSubNavBar=Playback

I auditioned one of these against some others including a $5
rat-shack-equivalent, and could discern no difference at all. And with a
simple single-blind unscientific test, neither could the cable's
owner/investor.

Build quality was good, but so were some others @ around the $20 mark.

Why is my name there though when you have included nothing from me?

MrT.

[Phil Allison]

"Mr.Turd the Autistic Asshole"

( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )


** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.

Back to your kiddie porn sites.




.......... Phil

[Geoff]

Mr.T wrote:
"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Tim Padrick wrote:
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

Linn Analogue Interconnect. Simple, affordable, sounds very good.

http://www.knekt.com/spec_sound/prod...63&activeNavBa
r=products&activeSubNavBar=Playback

I auditioned one of these against some others including a $5
rat-shack-equivalent, and could discern no difference at all. And
with a simple single-blind unscientific test, neither could the
cable's owner/investor.

Build quality was good, but so were some others @ around the $20
mark.

Why is my name there though when you have included nothing from me?

MrT.

Mr T = Mr Titchy ?

Didn't you post the above

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message

Linn Analogue Interconnect. Simple, affordable, sounds very good.

?

geoff

[Mr.T]

"Phil Turd the Autistic Asshole" wrote in message
...
( snip this cretin's verbal diarrhoea = nothing left ! )
** You have lost on each and every point - asshole.
Back to the kiddie porn sites.

Your autoresponder is still stuck Phil.
Let's hope the Federal Police take you and your kiddie porn fixation away
real soon!!!

MrT.