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Linn Sondek LP12 - No Line Level
Hi,
I have just sold a Linn Sondek LP12 and the buyer has emailed me saying that he has connected it to his amp and is getting no line level, (and presumably no sound). It was working perfectly with my CyrusIII amp so, before responding, I thought I would ask what the possible problems could be. I am not a hifi buff, and usually find that things work when you plug them into the right sockets. Many Thanks -- Richard Faulkner |
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"Richard Faulkner" wrote in message
... Hi, I have just sold a Linn Sondek LP12 and the buyer has emailed me saying that he has connected it to his amp and is getting no line level, (and presumably no sound). It was working perfectly with my CyrusIII amp so, before responding, I thought I would ask what the possible problems could be. I am not a hifi buff, and usually find that things work when you plug them into the right sockets. The turntable needs to be plugged into a phono preamplifier in order to work properly. Most older amplifiers, and a few current high-end preamps have them built in, but if not and he plugs into a line level input he will hear practically nothing, and what he does hear will sound awful since it lacks proper RIAA equalization. If his amp doesn't have a built in phono preamp, he will have to buy an external used unit. They are available from many manufacturers and on the used market. Hope this helps. |
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In message , Harry Lavo
writes "Richard Faulkner" wrote in message ... Hi, I have just sold a Linn Sondek LP12 and the buyer has emailed me saying that he has connected it to his amp and is getting no line level, (and presumably no sound). It was working perfectly with my CyrusIII amp so, before responding, I thought I would ask what the possible problems could be. I am not a hifi buff, and usually find that things work when you plug them into the right sockets. The turntable needs to be plugged into a phono preamplifier in order to work properly. Most older amplifiers, and a few current high-end preamps have them built in, but if not and he plugs into a line level input he will hear practically nothing, and what he does hear will sound awful since it lacks proper RIAA equalization. If his amp doesn't have a built in phono preamp, he will have to buy an external used unit. They are available from many manufacturers and on the used market. Hope this helps. Thanks for the help. Very much confirms the answer I got from uk.rec.audio. Anyway.. I've given him his money back and will sell to someone who knows what they are doing, (now that I know how it works g) -- Richard Faulkner |
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Are we getting that far away from vinyl that younger people have no
conception of a phono preamp? "Richard Faulkner" wrote in message ... In message , Harry Lavo writes "Richard Faulkner" wrote in message ... Hi, I have just sold a Linn Sondek LP12 and the buyer has emailed me saying that he has connected it to his amp and is getting no line level, (and presumably no sound). It was working perfectly with my CyrusIII amp so, before responding, I thought I would ask what the possible problems could be. I am not a hifi buff, and usually find that things work when you plug them into the right sockets. The turntable needs to be plugged into a phono preamplifier in order to work properly. Most older amplifiers, and a few current high-end preamps have them built in, but if not and he plugs into a line level input he will hear practically nothing, and what he does hear will sound awful since it lacks proper RIAA equalization. If his amp doesn't have a built in phono preamp, he will have to buy an external used unit. They are available from many manufacturers and on the used market. Hope this helps. Thanks for the help. Very much confirms the answer I got from uk.rec.audio. Anyway.. I've given him his money back and will sell to someone who knows what they are doing, (now that I know how it works g) -- Richard Faulkner |
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"scott and barb" wrote in message
.. Seems to come up a lot these days. I've run into it when selling a Marcoff PPA-2 headamp on Audiogon, and again in the Vinyl section of the Audio Asylum. But when you think of it, it is logical. Many people are now in their early forties who have never had a phonocentric stereo system. And we are not born with innate knowledge of cartridge equalization, VTA's, vinyl-damping, mc vs mm output and required gain, etc. So those of us who do know vinyl try to help those just getting into it...they almost aways become enthusiasts once the make the entry. ... Are we getting that far away from vinyl that younger people have no conception of a phono preamp? "Richard Faulkner" wrote in message ... In message , Harry Lavo writes "Richard Faulkner" wrote in message ... Hi, I have just sold a Linn Sondek LP12 and the buyer has emailed me saying that he has connected it to his amp and is getting no line level, (and presumably no sound). It was working perfectly with my CyrusIII amp so, before responding, I thought I would ask what the possible problems could be. I am not a hifi buff, and usually find that things work when you plug them into the right sockets. The turntable needs to be plugged into a phono preamplifier in order to work properly. Most older amplifiers, and a few current high-end preamps have them built in, but if not and he plugs into a line level input he will hear practically nothing, and what he does hear will sound awful since it lacks proper RIAA equalization. If his amp doesn't have a built in phono preamp, he will have to buy an external used unit. They are available from many manufacturers and on the used market. Hope this helps. Thanks for the help. Very much confirms the answer I got from uk.rec.audio. Anyway.. I've given him his money back and will sell to someone who knows what they are doing, (now that I know how it works g) -- Richard Faulkner |
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scott and barb wrote:
Are we getting that far away from vinyl that younger people have no conception of a phono preamp? It's worse than that. How many people in your town do you know that still play vinyl at all, let alone people who are high-end audiophiles?! And worse still, have you noticed that the audio shops are primarily home theatre shops now? I took my LP-12 into the Linn dealer shop, in San Rafael, CA, a few months ago. It's in a very upscale area. A lot of people with a lot of money. 95% of their business is home theatre. They still have plenty of excellent high-end audio lines, but the big deal is now home theatre. This is not just a matter of interest in vinyl dying. It's interest in 2 channel audio that's dying! Young people listen to mp3 sources played back on their ipod players or on their computer speakers. CDs are too much trouble now, let alone the effort it takes to properly listen to vinyl, not to mention the care one should be taking with vinyl. Another problem that audio dealers have is that they compete with all the good used gear that is out there. Let's face it. There really haven't been significant advances in analog electronics for some time now. Good tube amps still hold their value and are typically less money on EBay than they are from a retailer. Why spend $5k on a new power amp when you can score a used Rowland Research amp for half that money? Audiophiles typically take very good care of their equipment. People who care a great deal about sound quality are also meticulous in the way they use their gear. We 2 channel audiophiles are a dying breed. The vinyl guys are even fewer in number. Russ |
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scott and barb wrote:
Are we getting that far away from vinyl that younger people have no conception of a phono preamp? ============================================== Young wannabe technician said to me one day, as I fiddled with the intricacies of a old and recalcitrant Dual 1229: "How can that play music? All it really does is SPIN." -GP |
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This is perhaps the main reason that Linn advises against their customers
setting up their own systems. While I personally don't agree, I can see their reason just the same. If one is knowledgeable enough, then setting up a LP12 turntable isn't really too difficult (though it can take some time to get it right). If someone doesn't know what a phono stage is, then it is advisable to have someone knowledgeable set up the system. My thoughts. |
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In article , Nousaine wrote:
Russ Button wrote: dramatically. For example we knew in the early 70s that radial tracking tonearms were superior to pivoted arms but while there were a few radial In theory, yes; in actual practice, not necesarily. Servo controlled arms were noisy, and even if the servo mechanism worked perfectly when new it wasn't long before there was enough slop to cause more tracking error than a properly set up pivoted arm. One of the funniest test reports I saw was a Boston Audio Society test of turntables in the 70's; there was a middlebrow Technics turnatable with a middlebrow cartridge whose actual performance was way above a number of high end tables of the time, particularly in frequency response (high end MC vs middle brow MM cartridges). Mike Squires TD-125II/SME II/Grado -- Mike Squires (mikes at cs.indiana.edu) 317 233 9456 (w) 812 333 6564 (h) mikes at siralan.org 546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408 |
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"Michael Squires" wrote in message
... In article , Nousaine wrote: Russ Button wrote: dramatically. For example we knew in the early 70s that radial tracking tonearms were superior to pivoted arms but while there were a few radial In theory, yes; in actual practice, not necesarily. Servo controlled arms were noisy, and even if the servo mechanism worked perfectly when new it wasn't long before there was enough slop to cause more tracking error than a properly set up pivoted arm. One of the funniest test reports I saw was a Boston Audio Society test of turntables in the 70's; there was a middlebrow Technics turnatable with a middlebrow cartridge whose actual performance was way above a number of high end tables of the time, particularly in frequency response (high end MC vs middle brow MM cartridges). Yeah, and which sounded better? |
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