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Buying subs, need some advice.
Hello,
I am going to be picking up two subs for my car and I have narrowed it down to two subs: A Rockford Fosgate: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...20&I=575P110S4 Or these Infinity's: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...520&I=1081242W Now I know that the Fosgate will definitely sound good, so I was hoping for some opinions on the quality of the Infinity's. Or should I consider other subs? Thank you kindly. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
John Comma Smith wrote:
Hello, I am going to be picking up two subs for my car and I have narrowed it down to two subs: A Rockford Fosgate: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...20&I=575P110S4 Or these Infinity's: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...520&I=1081242W Now I know that the Fosgate will definitely sound good, so I was hoping for some opinions on the quality of the Infinity's. Or should I consider other subs? Thank you kindly. IF YOU WANT GOOD SUBS . STOP LOOKING AT CRUTCHFIELD. FIND A JL DEALER LOOK AT ANY OF THE DVC SUBS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. LOOK AT W3'S IF MONEY DOESN'T MATTER LOOK AT W6'S ORW7'S |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
BIG BC wrote:
IF YOU WANT GOOD SUBS . STOP LOOKING AT CRUTCHFIELD. FIND A JL DEALER LOOK AT ANY OF THE DVC SUBS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. LOOK AT W3'S IF MONEY DOESN'T MATTER LOOK AT W6'S ORW7'S I am too cheap for JL. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
Given the choice between the two, I'd go with the Infinity.
I've never had that brand, but I have had Rockford Fosgate and wasn't all that impressed. ~Mister.Lull John Comma Smith wrote: BIG BC wrote: IF YOU WANT GOOD SUBS . STOP LOOKING AT CRUTCHFIELD. FIND A JL DEALER LOOK AT ANY OF THE DVC SUBS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. LOOK AT W3'S IF MONEY DOESN'T MATTER LOOK AT W6'S ORW7'S I am too cheap for JL. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
Mister.Lull wrote:
Given the choice between the two, I'd go with the Infinity. I've never had that brand, but I have had Rockford Fosgate and wasn't all that impressed. ~Mister.Lull Do you suggest others? |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
I would go with Audiobahn all the way. I have 1 single dual voice coil
15" and people are totally shocked when they find out its only one speaker. It hits real real real hard and sounds great. Go to: http://www.onlinecarstereo.com The prices on this website are amazing I have used them several times and they have allways been great and super cheap. I promise you wont find cheaper prices, and the good thing about that is you can afford higher end subs at lower end prices. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
Given the choice, I too, would choose the Infinity's. The Fosgate sub you
have selected, the Stage One, is a repackaged version of their classic lowest-end sub, the Series One. Note that the Stage One is the lowest sub in their product line. Try to ignore all the fancy metal work around the motor structure because that won't help the sound quality one lick. IMHO, that sub has a very small motor (magnet/voice-coil/former) and it looks like they are trying to create the illusion of a larger one by surrounding it with unnecessary metal. MOSFET "John Comma Smith" wrote in message news:2hirg.3526$5K2.1060@fed1read03... BIG BC wrote: IF YOU WANT GOOD SUBS . STOP LOOKING AT CRUTCHFIELD. FIND A JL DEALER LOOK AT ANY OF THE DVC SUBS. IF YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. LOOK AT W3'S IF MONEY DOESN'T MATTER LOOK AT W6'S ORW7'S I am too cheap for JL. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
I like my JBL sub very much...
http://www.cardomain.com/item/JBLGTO1004D I think you would like it, too. ~Mister.Lull John Comma Smith wrote: Mister.Lull wrote: Given the choice between the two, I'd go with the Infinity. I've never had that brand, but I have had Rockford Fosgate and wasn't all that impressed. ~Mister.Lull Do you suggest others? |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
MOSFET wrote:
Given the choice, I too, would choose the Infinity's. The Fosgate sub you have selected, the Stage One, is a repackaged version of their classic lowest-end sub, the Series One. Note that the Stage One is the lowest sub in their product line. Try to ignore all the fancy metal work around the motor structure because that won't help the sound quality one lick. IMHO, that sub has a very small motor (magnet/voice-coil/former) and it looks like they are trying to create the illusion of a larger one by surrounding it with unnecessary metal. MOSFET Thanks for the advice. Just for the record: a friend of mine said that the fosgate subs were really good. Guess not. So which subs do you prefer MOSFET? |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
MOSFET wrote:
Given the choice, I too, would choose the Infinity's. The Fosgate sub you have selected, the Stage One, is a repackaged version of their classic lowest-end sub, the Series One. Note that the Stage One is the lowest sub in their product line. Try to ignore all the fancy metal work around the motor structure because that won't help the sound quality one lick. IMHO, that sub has a very small motor (magnet/voice-coil/former) and it looks like they are trying to create the illusion of a larger one by surrounding it with unnecessary metal. MOSFET Also, are soundstorm amps any good? I was looking at soundstream ones, but was curious. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
"John Comma Smith" wrote in message news:8iErg.3573$5K2.2703@fed1read03... MOSFET wrote: Given the choice, I too, would choose the Infinity's. The Fosgate sub you have selected, the Stage One, is a repackaged version of their classic lowest-end sub, the Series One. Note that the Stage One is the lowest sub in their product line. Try to ignore all the fancy metal work around the motor structure because that won't help the sound quality one lick. IMHO, that sub has a very small motor (magnet/voice-coil/former) and it looks like they are trying to create the illusion of a larger one by surrounding it with unnecessary metal. MOSFET Thanks for the advice. Just for the record: a friend of mine said that the fosgate subs were really good. Guess not. So which subs do you prefer MOSFET? Well, you'll find if you ask 10 of us that you'll get 10 different answers. I currently use a pair of MTX MXS12 (they are the same as the 7500 series, just silver). I really love these subs and I have used JL 12W3's, Soundstream SPL12's, and Rockford Fosgate Punch 12" subs in the past. The thing I notice about these MTX subs is that unlike all the other subs I have used in the past, these do both SQ AND SPL with equal style and grace. In particular, things like bass drums and the lower harmonics of the snare drum sound especially tight and clear. There was a very noticeable difference when I switched from the JL 12W3's to these subs (even my wife could sort of hear a difference a little) as the bass seemed much tighter, yet they can also play very, very, very loud. Here are some pictures of my car and my subs: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html Anyway, I have been very happy with my MTX subs and would recommend adding MTX to your list. MOSFET |
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I've never used a Soundstorm amp. Can't tell you. From what I have heard,
though, I think they are crap. MOSFET |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
MOSFET wrote:
Well, you'll find if you ask 10 of us that you'll get 10 different answers. I currently use a pair of MTX MXS12 (they are the same as the 7500 series, just silver). I really love these subs and I have used JL 12W3's, Soundstream SPL12's, and Rockford Fosgate Punch 12" subs in the past. The thing I notice about these MTX subs is that unlike all the other subs I have used in the past, these do both SQ AND SPL with equal style and grace. In particular, things like bass drums and the lower harmonics of the snare drum sound especially tight and clear. There was a very noticeable difference when I switched from the JL 12W3's to these subs (even my wife could sort of hear a difference a little) as the bass seemed much tighter, yet they can also play very, very, very loud. Here are some pictures of my car and my subs: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html Anyway, I have been very happy with my MTX subs and would recommend adding MTX to your list. MOSFET Thanks for the info on those subs. They are the ones I am now leaning towards. By any chance do you know of a relatively inexpensive brand of amps? The reason I ask is that I am trying to stay under $200 dollars on my sub system( only including the amp and woofers). Thank you kindly. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
Log on to Ebay and check this **** out for under $200, item # 230005733328 and
250005722330 In article vkHrg.3582$5K2.1083@fed1read03, John Comma Smith wrote: Thanks for the info on those subs. They are the ones I am now leaning towards. By any chance do you know of a relatively inexpensive brand of amps? The reason I ask is that I am trying to stay under $200 dollars on my sub system( only including the amp and woofers). Thank you kindly. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
"John Comma Smith" wrote in message news:jQerg.3520$5K2.361@fed1read03... Hello, I am going to be picking up two subs for my car and I have narrowed it down to two subs: A Rockford Fosgate: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...20&I=575P110S4 Or these Infinity's: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z1X4pvX...520&I=1081242W Now I know that the Fosgate will definitely sound good, so I was hoping for some opinions on the quality of the Infinity's. Or should I consider other subs? Thank you kindly. I bought myself a single Pioneer TS-306C 12" subwoofer and I love it. I have the DVC version, but if you are planning on using 2 of them you can get 2 of the 4 ohm version and wire them to a 2 ohm load. the single 12" I have in my accord is plenty for me, easily the best subwoofer I've had over the MTX, audiobahn and rockford's I've had over the years. you can buy a pair of these on ebay for around 100 bucks, which is a pretty decent deal. good luck with whatever you decide |
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theres not a rf/jl sub that will ever touch a infinity sub! EVER!
INFINITY 1 of the best speaker makers in history of the world! |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
#1 sub. Infinity.
close #2 sub Pioneer. #3. ////Alpine maybe note all i'm sure of pioneer is 1 or 2. i'm putting infiity as 1 cause of thier greatness overall in speaker making,pioneer might be better in just sub making thou. all other speakers, infinity kills pioneer. jvc***** had a line of speakers out the best i ever heard. i bought afew of them before they sold out a yr ago.or 2. earthquake speakers is great too!!!!!!! |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
I have to step in. All these people saying this is good, bad, etc.. It is
simple. You get what u pay for most of the time. For $200, a sub and amp, you are gonna get garbage unless it is hot.. All of the top brands (AND THEIR TOP MODELS) are good when put in the right enclosure, x'd over correctly and powered with the correct wattage. A system is only as good as its weakest link. A JL Audio 12W7 with a Prestige 400WATT junk amp will sound worse than an average SUB with a GOOD quality amp and so on.. Common sense.. save ur $$$ until u can get better.. its worth it "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... Log on to Ebay and check this **** out for under $200, item # 230005733328 and 250005722330 In article vkHrg.3582$5K2.1083@fed1read03, John Comma Smith wrote: Thanks for the info on those subs. They are the ones I am now leaning towards. By any chance do you know of a relatively inexpensive brand of amps? The reason I ask is that I am trying to stay under $200 dollars on my sub system( only including the amp and woofers). Thank you kindly. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
I have to step in. All these people saying this is good, bad, etc.. It is
simple. You get what u pay for most of the time. For $200, a sub and amp, you are gonna get garbage unless it is hot.. All of the top brands (AND THEIR TOP MODELS) are good when put in the right enclosure, x'd over correctly and powered with the correct wattage. A system is only as good as its weakest link. A JL Audio 12W7 with a Prestige 400WATT junk amp will sound worse than an average SUB with a GOOD quality amp and so on.. Ok, here we go... First off, I use a Prestige amp in my car, you can see pictures and a description at: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html. It has been an OUTSTANDING amplifier and although I use other more expensive amps in my system (Fosgate and Soundstream), my Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" (no pun intended) brands. No, I would not use my Prestige amp to drive my subs, but that doesn't mean it can't sound great performing a less taxing duty. I COMPLETELY disagree with your assertion that a 12W7 with a Prestige amp will sound worse than an average sub and what you consider a "good" amp. The 12W7 is an excellent sub and when driven with virtually any amp capable of 400 watts or more, it will sound great. What you fail to realize is that there is a WORLD of difference between speakers and amplifiers. I'm going to share a little bit of wisdom with you that will probably cause your brain to explode: ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME. If you don't realize this now, trust me, someday you will. That is not to say that all amplifiers PERFORM the same. The better ones are tougher and can better deal with heat and handle low impedance loads. But as far as SQ, they're all the same. Now, there ARE some very good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They will likely last longer if pushed hard AND they are built tougher. But if you study my system, you will notice that I have my Prestige amp doing rear-fill duty, and they are not pushed very hard at all (my rear-fill is barely audible). Speakers, on the other hand, are a completely different issue. With speakers, the sound quality you get is the sound quality you pay for. This is why I may skimp when it comes to amps (and only amps that are not pushed hard), but when it comes to speakers, sound quality costs $$$$$$$. MOSFET |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
That's funny, Misfit you know that Prestige amps suck balls and before you got
your mtx subs, you thought that your low end JL's were great. I guess anything sounds great if you haven't heard anything better. As for "ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME" Yeah they do sound the same, but the window of clean power output with cheap amps is very small. I ran a pair of soo called 600 watt Jensen amps on a pair of 12"s back in the mid 90's and they sounded great for the first 10 minutes until they got hot. One of those amps failed in 2 months. I even noticed a big difference in sound when I swapped my mtx 801d for a 1501d, because the 1501d doesn't need to be driven as hard and clipping is a bitch. Ok, here we go... First off, I use a Prestige amp in my car, you can see pictures and a description at: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html. It has been an OUTSTANDING amplifier and although I use other more expensive amps in my system (Fosgate and Soundstream), my Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" (no pun intended) brands. No, I would not use my Prestige amp to drive my subs, but that doesn't mean it can't sound great performing a less taxing duty. I COMPLETELY disagree with your assertion that a 12W7 with a Prestige amp will sound worse than an average sub and what you consider a "good" amp. The 12W7 is an excellent sub and when driven with virtually any amp capable of 400 watts or more, it will sound great. What you fail to realize is that there is a WORLD of difference between speakers and amplifiers. I'm going to share a little bit of wisdom with you that will probably cause your brain to explode: ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME. If you don't realize this now, trust me, someday you will. That is not to say that all amplifiers PERFORM the same. The better ones are tougher and can better deal with heat and handle low impedance loads. But as far as SQ, they're all the same. Now, there ARE some very good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They will likely last longer if pushed hard AND they are built tougher. But if you study my system, you will notice that I have my Prestige amp doing rear-fill duty, and they are not pushed very hard at all (my rear-fill is barely audible). Speakers, on the other hand, are a completely different issue. With speakers, the sound quality you get is the sound quality you pay for. This is why I may skimp when it comes to amps (and only amps that are not pushed hard), but when it comes to speakers, sound quality costs $$$$$$$. MOSFET |
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Lose the attitude, Howdy. If you disagree with what I say, make your
argument. Personal attacks reflect poorly on YOU. MOSFET "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... That's funny, Misfit you know that Prestige amps suck balls and before you got your mtx subs, you thought that your low end JL's were great. I guess anything sounds great if you haven't heard anything better. As for "ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME" Yeah they do sound the same, but the window of clean power output with cheap amps is very small. I ran a pair of soo called 600 watt Jensen amps on a pair of 12"s back in the mid 90's and they sounded great for the first 10 minutes until they got hot. One of those amps failed in 2 months. I even noticed a big difference in sound when I swapped my mtx 801d for a 1501d, because the 1501d doesn't need to be driven as hard and clipping is a bitch. Ok, here we go... First off, I use a Prestige amp in my car, you can see pictures and a description at: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html. It has been an OUTSTANDING amplifier and although I use other more expensive amps in my system (Fosgate and Soundstream), my Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" (no pun intended) brands. No, I would not use my Prestige amp to drive my subs, but that doesn't mean it can't sound great performing a less taxing duty. I COMPLETELY disagree with your assertion that a 12W7 with a Prestige amp will sound worse than an average sub and what you consider a "good" amp. The 12W7 is an excellent sub and when driven with virtually any amp capable of 400 watts or more, it will sound great. What you fail to realize is that there is a WORLD of difference between speakers and amplifiers. I'm going to share a little bit of wisdom with you that will probably cause your brain to explode: ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME. If you don't realize this now, trust me, someday you will. That is not to say that all amplifiers PERFORM the same. The better ones are tougher and can better deal with heat and handle low impedance loads. But as far as SQ, they're all the same. Now, there ARE some very good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They will likely last longer if pushed hard AND they are built tougher. But if you study my system, you will notice that I have my Prestige amp doing rear-fill duty, and they are not pushed very hard at all (my rear-fill is barely audible). Speakers, on the other hand, are a completely different issue. With speakers, the sound quality you get is the sound quality you pay for. This is why I may skimp when it comes to amps (and only amps that are not pushed hard), but when it comes to speakers, sound quality costs $$$$$$$. MOSFET |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
here kids. rule #1. reproducing just low notes is easier than powering a
wider range of the music. so a cheaper amp on your subs is fine. but on mids/highs. go upper end brands n price. also its harder to hear thd on the low end of sound ''dog''. so dont trip'. don't go all crazy' is you hitttin it on tha low end with jensen/boss/audiovox/profile amps yo'. its all right. now on the full range of music ya need a better amp. yo' least i roll this way'. on the upper end of music i use sherwood. n lookin at sum //Alpine amps..... |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
on speakers.. i got cerwin vega 3ways n jvc 3ways all 6x9s. n sum lanzer
3.5s. but diein to try ///Alpine speakers.... jl speakers..aint nutin to alpine...i bet. mb niether....lol |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
There is no personal attack here. I just thought that I would state a few
facts. Well maybe other then you knowing that Prestige amps suck balls, but you do have somewhat of an idea that they suck balls if you won't power your subs with them. As you said " My Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" brands". Now for someone that is totally into SQ, as you said many times over, You popped a prestigious tweeter that you were running off of one of these non prestigious brand amps. I have no doubts at all that you know how to setup and tune your system, however I have my doubts that your non prestigious brand amp performed PERFECTLY. I'm sure that your blown tweeter has it's doubts about also. You tell me? In article , "MOSFET" wrote: Lose the attitude, Howdy. If you disagree with what I say, make your argument. Personal attacks reflect poorly on YOU. MOSFET "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... That's funny, Misfit you know that Prestige amps suck balls and before you got your mtx subs, you thought that your low end JL's were great. I guess anything sounds great if you haven't heard anything better. As for "ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME" Yeah they do sound the same, but the window of clean power output with cheap amps is very small. I ran a pair of soo called 600 watt Jensen amps on a pair of 12"s back in the mid 90's and they sounded great for the first 10 minutes until they got hot. One of those amps failed in 2 months. I even noticed a big difference in sound when I swapped my mtx 801d for a 1501d, because the 1501d doesn't need to be driven as hard and clipping is a bitch. Ok, here we go... First off, I use a Prestige amp in my car, you can see pictures and a description at: http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html. It has been an OUTSTANDING amplifier and although I use other more expensive amps in my system (Fosgate and Soundstream), my Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" (no pun intended) brands. No, I would not use my Prestige amp to drive my subs, but that doesn't mean it can't sound great performing a less taxing duty. I COMPLETELY disagree with your assertion that a 12W7 with a Prestige amp will sound worse than an average sub and what you consider a "good" amp. The 12W7 is an excellent sub and when driven with virtually any amp capable of 400 watts or more, it will sound great. What you fail to realize is that there is a WORLD of difference between speakers and amplifiers. I'm going to share a little bit of wisdom with you that will probably cause your brain to explode: ALL AMPLIFIERS SOUND THE SAME. If you don't realize this now, trust me, someday you will. That is not to say that all amplifiers PERFORM the same. The better ones are tougher and can better deal with heat and handle low impedance loads. But as far as SQ, they're all the same. Now, there ARE some very good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They will likely last longer if pushed hard AND they are built tougher. But if you study my system, you will notice that I have my Prestige amp doing rear-fill duty, and they are not pushed very hard at all (my rear-fill is barely audible). Speakers, on the other hand, are a completely different issue. With speakers, the sound quality you get is the sound quality you pay for. This is why I may skimp when it comes to amps (and only amps that are not pushed hard), but when it comes to speakers, sound quality costs $$$$$$$. MOSFET |
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"Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... There is no personal attack here. I just thought that I would state a few facts. Well maybe other then you knowing that Prestige amps suck balls, but you do have somewhat of an idea that they suck balls if you won't power your subs with them. As you said " My Prestige amp has performed PERFECTLY and just as well as those more "prestigious" brands". Now for someone that is totally into SQ, as you said many times over, You popped a prestigious tweeter that you were running off of one of these non prestigious brand amps. I have no doubts at all that you know how to setup and tune your system, however I have my doubts that your non prestigious brand amp performed PERFECTLY. I'm sure that your blown tweeter has it's doubts about also. You tell me? Well, my tweeter blew because to be completely honest I did not have an adequate high-pass filter and I was running too much power. It had NOTHING to do with the amp. Look, I am just one guy here, and this is just one guy's opinion. But here are all the amps I have PERSONALLY used in my own systems (not set up for someone else) in the last 16 years: Rockford Punch 75, Alpine 3522, Denon DCA-400, Alpine MRV-F404, Soundstream Ref. 300 (three of them, actually), Soundstream Ref. 705, Coustic AMP-505DR (that was a NICE amp), Rockford Fosgate Power 360 (2 of them), Rockford Fosgate Punch 225.2, Soundstream Ref. 700, Prestige PA-440, and Jensen A46XP. Out of all those amps, the only ones I EVER had problems with were the Fosgate Power 360. I had ALL SORTS of problems with BOTH of those amps. I finally got rid of them both. If offered, I would take another Prestige PA-440 over a Rockford Fosgate Power 360 ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! The point I am making is that I have used quite a few amps (and have installed many, many others for friends) and the simple fact is that A) they all sound the same and B) some are built better than others. Not every Rockford amp sucks, of course, but I sure think the Power 360 does. And I'm sure there are Prestige amps that suck as well, but fortunately that does not seem to be a problem with mine. I can only speak to what I have used. So when you or someone else makes a statement like all Prestige amps suck, that's bull**** because I have one that works great. But listen to what I'm saying here, Howdy, I'm not saying Prestige is a great brand or anything like that, I'm just saying that I've used a lot of amplifiers in my life and this Prestige amp I own compares well with the better amps I've owned. Again, I am ONLY speaking about MY experience with MY amp. When you say all Prestige amps suck, have you, Howdy, personally tested every single Prestige amp ever made? I doubt it. Your arguments would be stronger if you stuck to cold hard facts and personal experience. But Howdy, beyond this, you seem quick to attack me when I make qualitative statements about amps. I'm not sure why. All I know is that my system sounds AWESOME. I used to compete in IASCA as well as other local shows and did very well so I do know what an AWESOME system sounds like. Yes, I use two amps that many might not consider high-end, but I am as pleased as punch (no pun intended) with them and would have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to change them (I certainly WOULD NOT change them just because of their name). Perhaps this disturbs some paradigm you have that amps like Prestige just can't possibly sound good and so I represent some thorn in your side. I represent some flaw in your car-stereo-world-view. I don't know. But deal with it. Nick Tanner |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
It seems that you are taking this a little too personal. But have it your way.
I wont make fun of your crap, I mean gear. Since you think that all you need is a good speaker and a crap amplifier and all is equal, that fine by me. To each their own. You only get out of a system what you put into it. |
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Buying subs, need some advice.
It seems that you are taking this a little too personal. But have it your
way. I wont make fun of your crap, I mean gear. Since you think that all you need is a good speaker and a crap amplifier and all is equal, that fine by me. To each their own. You only get out of a system what you put into it. The reason it appears I am taking it personally is that EVERY SINGLE TIME I respond to someone's post about amps you feel it necessary to chime in about my Jensen or Prestige amps. It was funny maybe the first couple times, but now it is very, very old and yes, it DOES make me wonder if there's more to this as I mentioned before (and yes, it SEEMS personal). And you have it NEARLY right. You do need good speakers and (NOT a crap amp, but) an amp that functions well for good sound. IMHO, that amp can be from just about ANY manufacturer because I think all amps sound the same. But, obviously, that amp must perform well. Obviously, if it immediately overheats or breaks then it is a **** amp. But if it performs well, it DOES NOT MATTER who the manufacturer is. Speakers, on the other hand, tend to be a completely different matter. Again, there ARE good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They are tougher, can handle lower impedance loads, etc. But if you are talking sound quality, IMHO, (and my experience) a Jensen sounds the same as an Xtant, or PPI, or Phoenix Gold or Prestige. This is NOT the case with speakers. Now look, if someone reading this wants to get all esoteric on my ass and start talking about "openness" and "soundstage depth" and the kind of thing they talk about when comparing amps in magazines like Stereophile, well then, maybe there is something to more expensive amps. But I tend to to believe that specifications like THD, S/N, F/R are the only things that matter in a car (ambient noise prevents one from noticing those more ethereal qualities in an amp). Anyway, that's just one man's opinion. If you disagree, cool. Just don't slam me every time I offer my opinion, it get's old. OK? MOSFET |
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Hi Mosfet (et al,)
I think MOSFET has it... for the most part, amps these days will do whatever you'd like as long as they are installed properly (correct gauge wire, good ground,) and operated within their normal operating parameters (not clipping, etc.) I use a McIntosh amp in my car... not necessarily because it's a high end amp (it is) or it's cleaner than most (it is,) but because it gives me 6 channels of power and it's fan cooled. I don't run it into clipping and it sounds awesome through my Dynaudio speakers. Could I go with a "lesser" amp? Sure... and with these speakers, it would sound GREAT. Heck, Pyramid amps would sound great with these speakers... AS LONG AS I WASN'T CLIPPING THE AMP. The other reality is that cars are inherently noisy environments, so not everyone has to run the quietest, most expensive amp to get sound quality that is sufficient to make someone happy. So... MOSFET can run his amps and be happy and Howdy can run his amps and be happy. Long Live Choice! smiles, Jamie On 2006-07-15 12:11:51 -0700, "MOSFET" said: And you have it NEARLY right. You do need good speakers and (NOT a crap amp, but) an amp that functions well for good sound. IMHO, that amp can be from just about ANY manufacturer because I think all amps sound the same. But, obviously, that amp must perform well. Obviously, if it immediately overheats or breaks then it is a **** amp. But if it performs well, it DOES NOT MATTER who the manufacturer is. Speakers, on the other hand, tend to be a completely different matter. Again, there ARE good reasons to buy more expensive amps. They are tougher, can handle lower impedance loads, etc. But if you are talking sound quality, IMHO, (and my experience) a Jensen sounds the same as an Xtant, or PPI, or Phoenix Gold or Prestige. This is NOT the case with speakers. Now look, if someone reading this wants to get all esoteric on my ass and start talking about "openness" and "soundstage depth" and the kind of thing they talk about when comparing amps in magazines like Stereophile, well then, maybe there is something to more expensive amps. But I tend to to believe that specifications like THD, S/N, F/R are the only things that matter in a car (ambient noise prevents one from noticing those more ethereal qualities in an amp). |
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Hi Bob,
Please... without naming models and parameters, you can't say that and be serious... smiles, Jamie On 2006-07-10 12:02:56 -0700, (bob wald) said: theres not a rf/jl sub that will ever touch a infinity sub! EVER! INFINITY 1 of the best speaker makers in history of the world! |
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Bob is still around? lol
In article 2006071515051475249-null@bitbucketcom, Jamie Pruden wrote: Hi Bob, Please... without naming models and parameters, you can't say that and be serious... smiles, Jamie On 2006-07-10 12:02:56 -0700, (bob wald) said: theres not a rf/jl sub that will ever touch a infinity sub! EVER! INFINITY 1 of the best speaker makers in history of the world! |
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What you have said below is very interesting, it's cleaner than most. Some people will tell you that all amps sound the same. My question is, why do you need a fan ? "I use a McIntosh amp in my car... not necessarily because it's a high end amp (it is) or it's cleaner than most (it is,) but because it gives me 6 channels of power and it's fan cooled. I don't run it into clipping and it sounds awesome through my Dynaudio speakers." |
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mcintosh is a computer right? mctosh is music.lol
next i'll put my Sherwood xat3000 against your amp any day... .02thd! next speakers shape your sound in alot of ways. speakers are the cheapest way to improve your system..i think. n easyest.. thats why now i'm looking for acouple different speakers to have to get different sounding system if i get boarded..lol looking at the new jvc..theyre better than i thought..hhmmmm looking good. wonder if thier new line sounds different than last yrs speakers??? |
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next, speaker shape your sound.in alot of ways. better?
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"jimbo_limited" wrote in message ...[color=blue][i] John Comma Smith Wrote: MOSFET wrote: Just for the record: a friend of mine said that the fosgate subs were really good. Guess not. Fosgate is a good brand, just depends on the type of sub you get. Punch2 subs or higher. Oh, absolutely. I think their higher end subs are outstanding, although maybe a little overpriced. Their lowest end subs, however, are a different story. I just wonder about all that metal "bling" they surround the motor with in the lower end subs. I mean, obviously the basket does not have to be built industrial strength as they are not designed to handle lots of power. So, IMHO, you are paying for metal-work that serves no purpose that I can see. If you REALLY want to clearly see what I'm talking about, go to the Fosgate website. They have cut-away illustrations of all their subs and in the lower-end subs you can see for yourself that the magnet and voice-coil are quite small, yet the surrounding metal work is, frankly, ridiculous. That's why I would stay away from Fosgate's lower end subwoofers. Their higher end subs, however, are a different matter. They are built beefy through and through. MOSFET |
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MOSFET wrote:
Oh, absolutely. I think their higher end subs are outstanding, although maybe a little overpriced. Their lowest end subs, however, are a different story. I just wonder about all that metal "bling" they surround the motor with in the lower end subs. I mean, obviously the basket does not have to be built industrial strength as they are not designed to handle lots of power. So, IMHO, you are paying for metal-work that serves no purpose that I can see. If you REALLY want to clearly see what I'm talking about, go to the Fosgate website. They have cut-away illustrations of all their subs and in the lower-end subs you can see for yourself that the magnet and voice-coil are quite small, yet the surrounding metal work is, frankly, ridiculous. That's why I would stay away from Fosgate's lower end subwoofers. Their higher end subs, however, are a different matter. They are built beefy through and through. MOSFET Well, I ended up going with just a single 10" P2 powered by the P200.2. That metal work that you are referring to surrounding the cone is just a plastic piece that can be left off. I left it on because I like the look of it. I also bought a ported box for it, and I must say that I am throughly satisfied with it. It is only one sub and it kicks out a major amount of bass, just to my liking. I like it too because you can only hear the bass in the car, more than 5 feet outside the car and you can not hear it. It may not be the best out there, but it suites the sound that I like in my music. Thank you guys for all the advice that you have given me. |
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rf=really fked' lol.......
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LOL.. it gets funnier n funnier..i give this 2nd post a 4.2 from 5...lol
jl over infinity....lol |
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look at pioneer subs...best sub under $200..
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I'm glad you like your sub. It's great when you get something your very
satisfied with. I'm curious about the plastic you mentioned. I'm not sure what part of the sub you are talking about (made of plastic). I THINK you might mean that ring around the top of the cone? You see, I've actually been very curious about Fosgate subs as they APPEAR not to be built to accommodate "backwards" mounting (where the sub is facing into the box). This is a VERY popular thing to do these days (I do it with my two subs http://www428.pair.com/mosfet/mtx.html ) yet it appears impossible to do with Fosgate subs. Are you saying that there is a removable plastic ring that would make that type of mounting possible? And if so, the metal work I was talking about before was the stuff that surrounds the magnet, not the cone. Is that what's plastic (the stuff that surrounds the magnet?)? Just curious MOSFET "John Comma Smith" wrote in message news:JCEug.6820$5K2.5575@fed1read03... MOSFET wrote: Oh, absolutely. I think their higher end subs are outstanding, although maybe a little overpriced. Their lowest end subs, however, are a different story. I just wonder about all that metal "bling" they surround the motor with in the lower end subs. I mean, obviously the basket does not have to be built industrial strength as they are not designed to handle lots of power. So, IMHO, you are paying for metal-work that serves no purpose that I can see. If you REALLY want to clearly see what I'm talking about, go to the Fosgate website. They have cut-away illustrations of all their subs and in the lower-end subs you can see for yourself that the magnet and voice-coil are quite small, yet the surrounding metal work is, frankly, ridiculous. That's why I would stay away from Fosgate's lower end subwoofers. Their higher end subs, however, are a different matter. They are built beefy through and through. MOSFET Well, I ended up going with just a single 10" P2 powered by the P200.2. That metal work that you are referring to surrounding the cone is just a plastic piece that can be left off. I left it on because I like the look of it. I also bought a ported box for it, and I must say that I am throughly satisfied with it. It is only one sub and it kicks out a major amount of bass, just to my liking. I like it too because you can only hear the bass in the car, more than 5 feet outside the car and you can not hear it. It may not be the best out there, but it suites the sound that I like in my music. Thank you guys for all the advice that you have given me. |
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