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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Hello,
I've searched the archives and I cant find this anywhere. On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. Its an old ('93) Yamaha RXV-870 integrated receiver. Im handy with soldering and stuff - so if I need to replace an IC or cap that shouldnt be a problem. Hoping to solve this on my own without taking it to a tech. If I would take to a tech how much would it likely cost? Thanks, Jeff |
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Does it do it in both mono and stereo ?
"Jeff" wrote in message om... Hello, I've searched the archives and I cant find this anywhere. On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. Its an old ('93) Yamaha RXV-870 integrated receiver. Im handy with soldering and stuff - so if I need to replace an IC or cap that shouldnt be a problem. Hoping to solve this on my own without taking it to a tech. If I would take to a tech how much would it likely cost? Thanks, Jeff |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Does it do it in both mono and stereo ?
"Jeff" wrote in message om... Hello, I've searched the archives and I cant find this anywhere. On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. Its an old ('93) Yamaha RXV-870 integrated receiver. Im handy with soldering and stuff - so if I need to replace an IC or cap that shouldnt be a problem. Hoping to solve this on my own without taking it to a tech. If I would take to a tech how much would it likely cost? Thanks, Jeff |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Does it do it in both mono and stereo ?
"Jeff" wrote in message om... Hello, I've searched the archives and I cant find this anywhere. On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. Its an old ('93) Yamaha RXV-870 integrated receiver. Im handy with soldering and stuff - so if I need to replace an IC or cap that shouldnt be a problem. Hoping to solve this on my own without taking it to a tech. If I would take to a tech how much would it likely cost? Thanks, Jeff |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are
at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are
at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are
at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of
the cases this will have no effect. Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. As to the OP's problem, I'd lean towards the relay, at least to start as a starting point. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mathias Lenz" wrote in message . .. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of
the cases this will have no effect. Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. As to the OP's problem, I'd lean towards the relay, at least to start as a starting point. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mathias Lenz" wrote in message . .. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of
the cases this will have no effect. Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. As to the OP's problem, I'd lean towards the relay, at least to start as a starting point. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mathias Lenz" wrote in message . .. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. Since this is only the case at low volumes I'd recomend to swap the volume pot. You can try to clean it with contact spray or the like, but in 98% of the cases this will have no effect. Get a new pot and it will work! Mathias |
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In , on 12/11/03
at 12:32 PM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. [ ... ] Assume it is caused by the protection relay until proven otherwise. Some protection relays can be opened and cleaned, but it is tricky to get the case off without breaking it. Replacing the relay is the best solution, however ... There is a devious way to deal with this problem. On a Saturday afternoon when no one is around (they'll think you have lost any remaining marbles that you may have owned in your youth), with the speakers connected, play something that is active and highly compressed, such as a rock-n-roll radio station. With the volume control turned up very high, to just below the destruct point, turn the power off. (the speakers *MUST* be playing at the instant you turn off the power -- and there is no need to allow the music to play for more than a fraction of a second at this volume) Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. In a few weeks, months, or years you may have to repeat the above. To many, this procedure seems too simple and too bizarre to try. Many years ago my engineer friends laughed when I described the procedure, but after they though about it for a few seconds, they realized (duh! -- smacking their heads) it is a valid technique and use it on their own equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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In , on 12/11/03
at 12:32 PM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. [ ... ] Assume it is caused by the protection relay until proven otherwise. Some protection relays can be opened and cleaned, but it is tricky to get the case off without breaking it. Replacing the relay is the best solution, however ... There is a devious way to deal with this problem. On a Saturday afternoon when no one is around (they'll think you have lost any remaining marbles that you may have owned in your youth), with the speakers connected, play something that is active and highly compressed, such as a rock-n-roll radio station. With the volume control turned up very high, to just below the destruct point, turn the power off. (the speakers *MUST* be playing at the instant you turn off the power -- and there is no need to allow the music to play for more than a fraction of a second at this volume) Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. In a few weeks, months, or years you may have to repeat the above. To many, this procedure seems too simple and too bizarre to try. Many years ago my engineer friends laughed when I described the procedure, but after they though about it for a few seconds, they realized (duh! -- smacking their heads) it is a valid technique and use it on their own equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will.
If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will.
If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will.
If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Hi there, thanks for the lead - just have a few quick questions.
Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? Thanks again, Jeff (Jeff) wrote: On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. greg |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Hi there, thanks for the lead - just have a few quick questions.
Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? Thanks again, Jeff (Jeff) wrote: On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. greg |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Hi there, thanks for the lead - just have a few quick questions.
Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? Thanks again, Jeff (Jeff) wrote: On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. A common problem is the output relay. Clean the contacts and while you are at it, clean anything that moves, like pots, and all switches, including back panel switches. greg |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
In , on 12/12/03
at 07:42 AM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? [ ... ] See my previous post -- there's no need to pop the top on the receiver. As I recall these relays are black and one relay switches two channels. A relatively easy way to prove the relay is at fault, is to gently rap it with an insulated tool such as a wooden rod. A healthy relay will not cut out unless you hit it almost hard enough to break the case or the underlying PC board. I don't remember the exact configuration of this unit, but if it has main channel In/Out jacks with no jumpers, turn the unit off and insert and remove an RCA plug in each of the In/Out jacks. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
In , on 12/12/03
at 07:42 AM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? [ ... ] See my previous post -- there's no need to pop the top on the receiver. As I recall these relays are black and one relay switches two channels. A relatively easy way to prove the relay is at fault, is to gently rap it with an insulated tool such as a wooden rod. A healthy relay will not cut out unless you hit it almost hard enough to break the case or the underlying PC board. I don't remember the exact configuration of this unit, but if it has main channel In/Out jacks with no jumpers, turn the unit off and insert and remove an RCA plug in each of the In/Out jacks. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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In , on 12/12/03
at 07:42 AM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] Is there typically a relay for each channel - Left/Right/Centre/Rears? Are they usually near the rear of the board? Do they typically have a clear plastic cover which needs to be removed to clean the contacts? [ ... ] See my previous post -- there's no need to pop the top on the receiver. As I recall these relays are black and one relay switches two channels. A relatively easy way to prove the relay is at fault, is to gently rap it with an insulated tool such as a wooden rod. A healthy relay will not cut out unless you hit it almost hard enough to break the case or the underlying PC board. I don't remember the exact configuration of this unit, but if it has main channel In/Out jacks with no jumpers, turn the unit off and insert and remove an RCA plug in each of the In/Out jacks. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will
work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. Fine If this worked for you, but consider then following: The pot's resistance path is made from carbon (the worst type) or cermet. (and I don't assume that this receiver is equipped with plastig pots by Penny & Giles) Carbon tends to get cracks and/or even breaks sometimes and there is a considerable amount of wear on both carbon and cermet pots. There is no way of fixing this with contact spray, compressed air,.... |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will
work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. Fine If this worked for you, but consider then following: The pot's resistance path is made from carbon (the worst type) or cermet. (and I don't assume that this receiver is equipped with plastig pots by Penny & Giles) Carbon tends to get cracks and/or even breaks sometimes and there is a considerable amount of wear on both carbon and cermet pots. There is no way of fixing this with contact spray, compressed air,.... |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Nonsense. Using a proper technique for cleaning the volume pot, it will
work well for years. One simply has to understand how they are built, and apply cleaner where it counts. There's other considerations - blowing out with compressed air before and after the cleaner is applied, for example. Fine If this worked for you, but consider then following: The pot's resistance path is made from carbon (the worst type) or cermet. (and I don't assume that this receiver is equipped with plastig pots by Penny & Giles) Carbon tends to get cracks and/or even breaks sometimes and there is a considerable amount of wear on both carbon and cermet pots. There is no way of fixing this with contact spray, compressed air,.... |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Try it first and lets know the outcome. Next step would be to swap the
speaker leads left and right to see what happens. I had trouble with my amp a few months ago and it was the speaker relay. I changed it and it works fine now. "Jeff" wrote in message om... Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will. If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Try it first and lets know the outcome. Next step would be to swap the
speaker leads left and right to see what happens. I had trouble with my amp a few months ago and it was the speaker relay. I changed it and it works fine now. "Jeff" wrote in message om... Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will. If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Receiver Prob - Loose left channel at low volume
Try it first and lets know the outcome. Next step would be to swap the
speaker leads left and right to see what happens. I had trouble with my amp a few months ago and it was the speaker relay. I changed it and it works fine now. "Jeff" wrote in message om... Good question, I havent tried this yet - I will. If it does change what does this say? Do these use different output stages when in mono/stereo or something - or if there is no change. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks, Jeff "dickydoo" wrote in message ... Does it do it in both mono and stereo ? "Jeff" wrote in message On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. |
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Could also be a dry joint connecting the relay to cct board.
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Could also be a dry joint connecting the relay to cct board.
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Could also be a dry joint connecting the relay to cct board.
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Just don't be too surprised if the amp blows up.
The technique may indeed work - but consider the common light bulb. At power-on or power-off is the most common time for it to fail. Sudden application or removal of voltage causes current surges, and output transistors change their physical characteristics a bit from thermal expansion/contracting as the piece warms up and cools down. This is normal wear and tear to be sure, but be aware you may be accelerating the process significantly. Mark Z. Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 12/11/03 at 12:32 PM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. [ ... ] Assume it is caused by the protection relay until proven otherwise. Some protection relays can be opened and cleaned, but it is tricky to get the case off without breaking it. Replacing the relay is the best solution, however ... There is a devious way to deal with this problem. On a Saturday afternoon when no one is around (they'll think you have lost any remaining marbles that you may have owned in your youth), with the speakers connected, play something that is active and highly compressed, such as a rock-n-roll radio station. With the volume control turned up very high, to just below the destruct point, turn the power off. (the speakers *MUST* be playing at the instant you turn off the power -- and there is no need to allow the music to play for more than a fraction of a second at this volume) Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. In a few weeks, months, or years you may have to repeat the above. To many, this procedure seems too simple and too bizarre to try. Many years ago my engineer friends laughed when I described the procedure, but after they though about it for a few seconds, they realized (duh! -- smacking their heads) it is a valid technique and use it on their own equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Just don't be too surprised if the amp blows up.
The technique may indeed work - but consider the common light bulb. At power-on or power-off is the most common time for it to fail. Sudden application or removal of voltage causes current surges, and output transistors change their physical characteristics a bit from thermal expansion/contracting as the piece warms up and cools down. This is normal wear and tear to be sure, but be aware you may be accelerating the process significantly. Mark Z. Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 12/11/03 at 12:32 PM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. [ ... ] Assume it is caused by the protection relay until proven otherwise. Some protection relays can be opened and cleaned, but it is tricky to get the case off without breaking it. Replacing the relay is the best solution, however ... There is a devious way to deal with this problem. On a Saturday afternoon when no one is around (they'll think you have lost any remaining marbles that you may have owned in your youth), with the speakers connected, play something that is active and highly compressed, such as a rock-n-roll radio station. With the volume control turned up very high, to just below the destruct point, turn the power off. (the speakers *MUST* be playing at the instant you turn off the power -- and there is no need to allow the music to play for more than a fraction of a second at this volume) Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. In a few weeks, months, or years you may have to repeat the above. To many, this procedure seems too simple and too bizarre to try. Many years ago my engineer friends laughed when I described the procedure, but after they though about it for a few seconds, they realized (duh! -- smacking their heads) it is a valid technique and use it on their own equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Just don't be too surprised if the amp blows up.
The technique may indeed work - but consider the common light bulb. At power-on or power-off is the most common time for it to fail. Sudden application or removal of voltage causes current surges, and output transistors change their physical characteristics a bit from thermal expansion/contracting as the piece warms up and cools down. This is normal wear and tear to be sure, but be aware you may be accelerating the process significantly. Mark Z. Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 12/11/03 at 12:32 PM, (Jeff) said: [ ... ] On low volumes I intermittantly loose my left channel - it kinda fuzzes a bit and then goes off completely. If I turn up the volume it comes back on. [ ... ] Assume it is caused by the protection relay until proven otherwise. Some protection relays can be opened and cleaned, but it is tricky to get the case off without breaking it. Replacing the relay is the best solution, however ... There is a devious way to deal with this problem. On a Saturday afternoon when no one is around (they'll think you have lost any remaining marbles that you may have owned in your youth), with the speakers connected, play something that is active and highly compressed, such as a rock-n-roll radio station. With the volume control turned up very high, to just below the destruct point, turn the power off. (the speakers *MUST* be playing at the instant you turn off the power -- and there is no need to allow the music to play for more than a fraction of a second at this volume) Repeat 30 times. At this point, I'll bet your problem is gone. In a few weeks, months, or years you may have to repeat the above. To many, this procedure seems too simple and too bizarre to try. Many years ago my engineer friends laughed when I described the procedure, but after they though about it for a few seconds, they realized (duh! -- smacking their heads) it is a valid technique and use it on their own equipment. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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