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Jim Carr wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. Also, in the US we go see movies in a theater, not a theatre. (Although we might see a play in a theatre, but a certain percentage of us will think they're just trying to be snooty by calling it that.) So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. - Logan |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
... I accept it is part of the system, I didn't think I would need to put :-) after THAT statement. ;-) Still, it would be a giggle to try and change it all again to get 100 whotsits in a thingy, a hundred of which equal a day. Never heard it called MKS before, it it a 'Down-Under' thing? **I doubt it. We learned it in school in the late 1960s. So did we, in the USA. There are actually *two* metric systems in common use, the cgs system (centimeters-grams-seconds) and the MKS (meters-kilograms-seconds). Chemists use the former, physicists the latter. More confusion. By the way, the thing in the Mad magazine pictures was a poiuyt. Potrzebie, Paul |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Jim Carr wrote: "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. Also, in the US we go see movies in a theater, not a theatre. **A theatre is where you watch live plays. A cinema is where you watch movies. (Although we might see a play in a theatre, but a certain percentage of us will think they're just trying to be snooty by calling it that.) **Not at all. They're being correct. With George Bush Jnr in charge, it seems the dumbing down of America is almost complete. So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. **Indeed. That still does not make it correct. Just another word mangled by America. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
... **Spoken like a woodworker. The rest of us consider mm far too coarse a measurement. Having said that, I grew up in a world of Imperial measurements. When selecting (say) a drill bit, I had to think real hard on which was larger - 1/8th inch or 9/64th inch. I don't even need to think for more than a millisecond about 3mm or 3.3mm. I KNOW which is larger instantly. LOL! Wood is about the only thing I measure. Sometimes I will use cm/mm, but more often than not I actually find inches and fractions easier. Go figure. I agree with you about the tools, though. I'm pretty quick and finding the common denominator, but nothing is simpler than mm. BTW: Cm is the most commonly used measurement in most Metric nations. It is a useful size for most common measurements around the home. Builders almost always specify measurements to the nearest mm. There are rarely mistakes when using such systems. By the time I get around to cutting something, my margin of error is about 1/8" anyway, so why would I need a finer scale? :-) |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
... So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. Dictionary.com says that litre is "chiefly British" so I would disagree. You have to admit it violates the standard spelling rules. I wouldn't drive my old beatre with the heatre on and park at a parking metre, but not put in any coins because I am a cheatre, now would I? |
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"Jim Carr" wrote in message news:1T7Vd.36881$Tt.17265@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... **Spoken like a woodworker. The rest of us consider mm far too coarse a measurement. Having said that, I grew up in a world of Imperial measurements. When selecting (say) a drill bit, I had to think real hard on which was larger - 1/8th inch or 9/64th inch. I don't even need to think for more than a millisecond about 3mm or 3.3mm. I KNOW which is larger instantly. LOL! Wood is about the only thing I measure. Sometimes I will use cm/mm, but more often than not I actually find inches and fractions easier. Go figure. I agree with you about the tools, though. I'm pretty quick and finding the common denominator, but nothing is simpler than mm. BTW: Cm is the most commonly used measurement in most Metric nations. It is a useful size for most common measurements around the home. Builders almost always specify measurements to the nearest mm. There are rarely mistakes when using such systems. By the time I get around to cutting something, my margin of error is about 1/8" anyway, so why would I need a finer scale? :-) **See? I can spot a woodworker a km away. :-) I'm still finding my way with wood, so I always set my tools up to the nearest mm. Accuracy is around 0.25mm. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Jim Carr" writes:
"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. Dictionary.com says that litre is "chiefly British" so I would disagree. You have to admit it violates the standard spelling rules. I wouldn't drive my old beatre with the heatre on and park at a parking metre, but not put in any coins because I am a cheatre, now would I? My grandmother's house was on Centre St. in Boston. That's in New England! |
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georgeh wrote: "Jim Carr" writes: "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. Dictionary.com says that litre is "chiefly British" so I would disagree. You have to admit it violates the standard spelling rules. I wouldn't drive my old beatre with the heatre on and park at a parking metre, but not put in any coins because I am a cheatre, now would I? My grandmother's house was on Centre St. in Boston. That's in New England! Then you'd be drivin' the beatah with the heatah on and, if you could find one, you'd pahk wheah theah's no pahkin' metah, cuz them infuhnal machines'd gip you outah a quatah every time. Uthuhwise, you'd just be a retahd and a loozah. |
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"georgeh" wrote in message ... "Jim Carr" writes: "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... So basically, it's my contention that "liter" is the American English spelling of the word. Dictionary.com says that litre is "chiefly British" so I would disagree. You have to admit it violates the standard spelling rules. I wouldn't drive my old beatre with the heatre on and park at a parking metre, but not put in any coins because I am a cheatre, now would I? My grandmother's house was on Centre St. in Boston. That's in New England! There's one in Manhattan, too. You're undre arrest. Peace, Paul |
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Paul Stamler wrote:
There are actually *two* metric systems in common use, the cgs system (centimeters-grams-seconds) and the MKS (meters-kilograms-seconds). Chemists use the former, physicists the latter. More confusion. Only confusing maybe for people not using the (one) system. Overhere in Europe, where we actually live by it, a centimeter is another way of saying 1/100th meter, like a kilometer is 1000 meters, and a kilogram is 1000 grams. That's obviously the main selling point of the metric system. Luck, Arjan -- "There's a reason mixing seems so simple; it IS simple" - G. Massenburg ----------------Where I'm from: http://www.soundbyte.nl---------------- --------To email personally go to the website - lower left menu-------- |
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"Arjan P" wrote in message ... Paul Stamler wrote: There are actually *two* metric systems in common use, the cgs system (centimeters-grams-seconds) and the MKS (meters-kilograms-seconds). Chemists use the former, physicists the latter. More confusion. Only confusing maybe for people not using the (one) system. Overhere in Europe, where we actually live by it, a centimeter is another way of saying 1/100th meter, like a kilometer is 1000 meters, and a kilogram is 1000 grams. That's obviously the main selling point of the metric system. Of course. But there are derivative units over and above the three basics, and they're different for cgs and MKS, and there's where confusion reigns. Peace, Paul |
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"Jim Carr" wrote in
news:WwQUd.31941$Tt.16238@fed1read05: .....snip..... .. However, I draw the line at measuring Mr. Happy in centimeters - I prefer a larger scale on principle. No doubt your ex dumped you because she preferred something that was simply larger and that wasn't battery operated. |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. **You Americans have short memories, doncha? Without the French, you would still be British subjects. It's only a bit farther back to 1066. -- Les Cargill |
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"The Ghost" wrote in message
. 130... "Jim Carr" wrote in news:WwQUd.31941$Tt.16238@fed1read05: .....snip..... . However, I draw the line at measuring Mr. Happy in centimeters - I prefer a larger scale on principle. No doubt your ex dumped you because she preferred something that was simply larger and that wasn't battery operated. LOL! That was a good one, Ghost! How did you know my penis had a battery? Could you taste it on your tongue? |
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Trevor Wilson wrote: "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Also, in the US we go see movies in a theater, not a theatre. **A theatre is where you watch live plays. A cinema is where you watch movies. Not in the US. In the US, you go see live plays at a theater (or possibly a playhouse), and you go see movies at a theater or a movie theater, or maybe a movie house. Since movies were invented after the variants of the languages had already diverged, I can't see how you'd have a basis to say one of them is right and the other is wrong. we might see a play in a theatre, but a certain percentage of us will think they're just trying to be snooty by calling it that.) **Not at all. They're being correct. With George Bush Jnr in charge, it seems the dumbing down of America is almost complete. Well, that was a non-sequitor. And a rude one at that. - Logan |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message m... Trevor Wilson wrote: "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. **You Americans have short memories, doncha? Without the French, you would still be British subjects. It's only a bit farther back to 1066. **Except that the French assisted AMERICANS in fighting the British. More than assisted, in fact. They were pivotal in the defeat of the British. I wonder why Americans conveniently forget this fact? -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... [ liter vs. litre ] Trevor Wilson wrote: "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Also, in the US we go see movies in a theater, not a theatre. **A theatre is where you watch live plays. A cinema is where you watch movies. Not in the US. In the US, you go see live plays at a theater (or possibly a playhouse), and you go see movies at a theater or a movie theater, or maybe a movie house. **How terribly confusing. Since movies were invented after the variants of the languages had already diverged, I can't see how you'd have a basis to say one of them is right and the other is wrong. **'Cinema' is perfectly discriptive. Theatre, as applied to live plays AND cinema, is simply confusing. BTW: Are people who make films in the US cinematographers? See a connection? we might see a play in a theatre, but a certain percentage of us will think they're just trying to be snooty by calling it that.) **Not at all. They're being correct. With George Bush Jnr in charge, it seems the dumbing down of America is almost complete. Well, that was a non-sequitor. And a rude one at that. **It was a perfectly accurate non-sequitur. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Trevor Wilson wrote: **A theatre is where you watch live plays. A cinema is where you watch movies. Not in the US. In the US, you go see live plays at a theater (or possibly a playhouse), and you go see movies at a theater or a movie theater, or maybe a movie house. **How terribly confusing. I'm sorry you find it confusing. I can assure you that every variant of every language is chock full of ambiguities, and yet we manage to sort hundreds of them out all day long. For instance, here on rec.audio.pro, people speak about "compression" quite often, and it's usually easy to sort out whether they mean dynamic range reduction or Kolmogorov-Complexity-bounded-data-file-size-reduction. In a practical sense, most language ambiguities don't turn into much of a problem, because context usually makes it clear what you're talking about. It's usually easy to tell from context whether one is referring to a theater in which dramatic productions take place or a theater in which movies are shown. Since movies were invented after the variants of the languages had already diverged, I can't see how you'd have a basis to say one of them is right and the other is wrong. **'Cinema' is perfectly discriptive. Theatre, as applied to live plays AND cinema, is simply confusing. BTW: Are people who make films in the US cinematographers? See a connection? People who make films are filmmakers. People who direct the specific aspect of filmmaking that deals with choosing camera equipment, composing shots, and operating cameras are cinematographers. I'm sorry if you find it confusing when someone who practices something has a name that does not share the same root word as the practice itself. I went to the doctor this morning. He practices medicine, so I guess in the future I should refer to him as the "medicine man" in preference to "doctor", since calling him "doctor" is confusing. I should also remember to stop using the confusing term "luthier" and replace it with the much more elegant term "guitar-maker". **Not at all. They're being correct. With George Bush Jnr in charge, it seems the dumbing down of America is almost complete. Well, that was a non-sequitor. And a rude one at that. **It was a perfectly accurate non-sequitur. I fail to see how GWB's presence in office could have had any effect on the US spelling of meter, liter, or theater since the spelling of none of these words has changed since he took office (and probably not since he was born). However, if you have an explanation why GWB's utter lack of any effect on the US spelling of the words in question indicates a dumbing of America, I'm sure it would be interesting to hear. - Logan |
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On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:32:14 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote: "Les Cargill" wrote in message om... Trevor Wilson wrote: "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. **You Americans have short memories, doncha? Without the French, you would still be British subjects. It's only a bit farther back to 1066. **Except that the French assisted AMERICANS in fighting the British. More than assisted, in fact. They were pivotal in the defeat of the British. I wonder why Americans conveniently forget this fact? Since Bush's trip to Europe I think it's now officially OK to like France again, & eat french fries. (Or if you are an upper-crust republican, foie gras, brie and Bordeaux.) Al |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Trevor Wilson wrote: "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Trevor Wilson wrote: **A theatre is where you watch live plays. A cinema is where you watch movies. Not in the US. In the US, you go see live plays at a theater (or possibly a playhouse), and you go see movies at a theater or a movie theater, or maybe a movie house. **How terribly confusing. I'm sorry you find it confusing. I can assure you that every variant of every language is chock full of ambiguities, and yet we manage to sort hundreds of them out all day long. For instance, here on rec.audio.pro, people speak about "compression" quite often, and it's usually easy to sort out whether they mean dynamic range reduction or Kolmogorov-Complexity-bounded-data-file-size-reduction. In a practical sense, most language ambiguities don't turn into much of a problem, because context usually makes it clear what you're talking about. It's usually easy to tell from context whether one is referring to a theater in which dramatic productions take place or a theater in which movies are shown. **Perhaps. Perhaps not. Since movies were invented after the variants of the languages had already diverged, I can't see how you'd have a basis to say one of them is right and the other is wrong. **'Cinema' is perfectly discriptive. Theatre, as applied to live plays AND cinema, is simply confusing. BTW: Are people who make films in the US cinematographers? See a connection? People who make films are filmmakers. People who direct the specific aspect of filmmaking that deals with choosing camera equipment, composing shots, and operating cameras are cinematographers. **Bingo! I'm sorry if you find it confusing when someone who practices something has a name that does not share the same root word as the practice itself. I went to the doctor this morning. He practices medicine, so I guess in the future I should refer to him as the "medicine man" in preference to "doctor", since calling him "doctor" is confusing. **One could refer to him/her as a 'medical practitioner'. I should also remember to stop using the confusing term "luthier" and replace it with the much more elegant term "guitar-maker". **Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. As is cinema and theatre (as used in most of the rest of the English-speaking world). The term 'theater' as used by Americans can mean one of (at least) two completely different things. Perhaps Americans could consider using the term 'cinema' for the cinema and 'theater' (or theatre) for a live performance venue. Just a thought. **Not at all. They're being correct. With George Bush Jnr in charge, it seems the dumbing down of America is almost complete. Well, that was a non-sequitor. And a rude one at that. **It was a perfectly accurate non-sequitur. I fail to see how GWB's presence in office could have had any effect on the US spelling of meter, liter, or theater since the spelling of none of these words has changed since he took office (and probably not since he was born). **It didn't and I did not suggest that it did. I implied that the dumbing down of America was now complete. American voters have installed the dumbest President in living memory. A corrupt, evil, stupid President. That the majority of Americans find this man, somehow, acceptable, suggests that the dumbing down of America is complete. However, if you have an explanation why GWB's utter lack of any effect on the US spelling of the words in question indicates a dumbing of America, I'm sure it would be interesting to hear. **Well, there is "nookular". It sends a shiver up my spine, every time I hear it. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. As is cinema and theatre (as used in most of the rest of the English-speaking world). The term 'theater' as used by Americans can mean one of (at least) two completely different things. The two are not necessarily always separate. It's not unheard-of to have a stage in a movie theater or to have a projection booth and a movie screen in a (dramatic) theater. The first time I saw Pink Floyd's "The Wall", it was in such a room. Perhaps Americans could consider using the term 'cinema' for the cinema and 'theater' (or theatre) for a live performance venue. Just a thought. Perhaps Australians could consider renaming their "National Highway" system to the "Interstate Highway System" like we say here in the US. But since names are totally arbitrary, that would be a pretty pointless suggestion. However, if you have an explanation why GWB's utter lack of any effect on the US spelling of the words in question indicates a dumbing of America, I'm sure it would be interesting to hear. **Well, there is "nookular". It sends a shiver up my spine, every time I hear it. Well, for better or for worse, consonant-vowel metathesis is part of what happens when people (not just Americans) use language[1]. I agree that it can be grating and is poor form when you're the elected leader of a powerful nation, but it is important to keep in mind that it is often learned as part of a dialect, and one of the key features of dialects is that each of the dialects of a language has subtlely different rules than the other dialects. Bush's apparent inability to say the standard pronunciation of "nuclear" is not entirely dissimilar to the inability of speakers of many Asian languages to hear the difference between the English "L" and "R" sounds. By the way, you know that what we're arguing about here is which dialect of English should be the esteemed one, right? My argument is that it's OK for each country to define its own esteemed dialect, and your view seems to be that there should be only one, and that your dialect should be it. (I would like to point out that you may speak a distinct sub-dialect of the dialect you think is correct without being aware of it.) - Logan [1] http://www.ling.ohio-state.edu/~ehum...etathesis.html |
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Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Except that the French assisted AMERICANS in fighting the British. More than assisted, in fact. They were pivotal in the defeat of the British. I wonder why Americans conveniently forget this fact? For the same reason the British seem to neglect the fact that they were bringing in Hessian mercenaries to support their German king anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
... I should also remember to stop using the confusing term "luthier" and replace it with the much more elegant term "guitar-maker". **Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. Straying? More like racing at breakneck speed. But as long as we're there, "luthier" is not perfectly descriptive when (conservatively speaking) 90% of luthiers do not make lutes. It's like calling autoworkers "coachmakers". Peace, Paul |
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Logan Shaw wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote: SNIP Must say, it is highly entertaining to watch a Yank arguing with an Aus over the semantics and usage of English!! :-) |
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"Paul Stamler" wrote in message ... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... I should also remember to stop using the confusing term "luthier" and replace it with the much more elegant term "guitar-maker". **Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. Straying? More like racing at breakneck speed. But as long as we're there, "luthier" is not perfectly descriptive when (conservatively speaking) 90% of luthiers do not make lutes. It's like calling autoworkers "coachmakers". Peace, Paul If 'quizzes' are considered quizzical, what are 'tests' ? DM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:27:48 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote: "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... I should also remember to stop using the confusing term "luthier" and replace it with the much more elegant term "guitar-maker". **Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. Straying? More like racing at breakneck speed. But as long as we're there, "luthier" is not perfectly descriptive when (conservatively speaking) 90% of luthiers do not make lutes. It's like calling autoworkers "coachmakers". Yeah but if you start looking at the archaic roots of language, there probably are thousands examples of words like that. Al |
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"play on" wrote in message
... Straying? More like racing at breakneck speed. But as long as we're there, "luthier" is not perfectly descriptive when (conservatively speaking) 90% of luthiers do not make lutes. It's like calling autoworkers "coachmakers". Yeah but if you start looking at the archaic roots of language, there probably are thousands examples of words like that. True; "teamsters" is the first that comes to mind. Peace, Paul |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:j8UUd.51305$uc.11191@trnddc03... "Porky" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:dsRUd.48341$uc.6478@trnddc08... I think all I am trying to do here, is lodge a slight disagreement with an acceptable room temperature that might exceed 90 degrees if you have any equipment at all that generates it's own heat. Personally, I recommend keeping your studio at between 65 and 75 F, it will be more comfortable for you, the musicians, and the equipment. I certainly wouldn't want to work in a studio at 90F, but iof the music was good enough, I wouldn't hestiate to use my stuff to record it even if it was 90F! :-) Then we are in complete agreement. I maintain a control room (or anyone else's control room) at between 70 and 74 degrees. I rarely let the main recording areas approach 80 degrees. So.... I can't help but ask, why did you originally say, "It varies with the equipment, but typically 40 degrees to 120 degrees if the equipment is in use, the range for storage is considerably wider" ?? Typo ?? g Nope, I've recorded live gigs at temps from a little below 40F to about 112F with no equipment problems, though I admit to using extra fans and insuring good ventilation especially when it was above 90F. In my experience, 40F to 110 or 120F are the operable ranges usually given when the equipment mfgr does specify a temp range. |
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"Jim Carr" wrote in message news:fiUUd.33728$Tt.18864@fed1read05... "Porky" wrote in message . .. "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. Wait a minute, a liter is 33.8 ounces, making it heavier than a quart. (Check your coke bottle, Jim. :-)). Wrong! You measure quarts in ounces, but you measure liters in millilters. There are 32 ounces in a quart, but 1000 milliliters in a liter. Therefore, a quart must be lighter than liter (321000). It's just like a meter is longer than a yard. You have 36 inches in a yard, but you have 100 centimeters in a meter (10036). It's the ease of math that makes the metric system so widely popular. *LOL* By that logic, a mile must be over five times as long as a kilometer because there are 1000 meters in a kilometer and 5280 feet in a mile! (5280/1000=5.28), right? :-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05 "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. I wish the U.S. Governement would get off their butts and legislate us into 100% metric. I was involved in the failed attempt at metrification in the 1970s, and still think it was a very good idea. AFAIK, the only people using the old English measurement system are us and some countries in darkest Africa. Is hanging onto this awkward antique of a system a form of protectionism or what? The problem is that all of us old farts think in feet and inches and ounces and pints and quarts, etc and the US legislature consists of mostly old farts. :-) BTW if you think that gasoline is expensive in the US today, just look at the prices in countries that sell it in liters, a liter there often costs much as a gallon here, and if they start selling gas in liters here it won't be long before that happens in the US too. |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05... "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. **You Americans have short memories, doncha? Without the French, you would still be British subjects. *LOL* |
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"Nat" wrote in message ups.com... Does anyone know offhand what the range of safe room temperatures (in F, please) is for studio gear? Wait! if the correct spelling is litre than wouldn't a meter be spelled metre too? After all, they're both units of measurement. You know, any normal person browsing the audio groups must think we all have Attention Deficit Disorder, we started off on the topic of safe room temps for audio gear, but now we're discussing measurement systems and spelling, and the ghost wants to talk about penises (or would that be penii?)! *ROFL* |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jim Carr" wrote in message news:ksRUd.31946$Tt.154@fed1read05 "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... BTW: While you're switching to Metric, see if you Yanks can spell Litre correctly. The rest of the planet manages to do so. According to Google, there are five times as many sites with liter as with litre. Americans won't go with litre for two reasons: First, it's from the French and second, it helps us remember that a liter is "lighter" than a quart. I wish the U.S. Governement would get off their butts and legislate us into 100% metric. I was involved in the failed attempt at metrification in the 1970s, and still think it was a very good idea. AFAIK, the only people using the old English measurement system are us and some countries in darkest Africa. Is hanging onto this awkward antique of a system a form of protectionism or what? The problem is that all of us old farts think in feet and inches and ounces and pints and quarts, etc and the US legislature consists of mostly old farts. :-) BTW if you think that gasoline is expensive in the US today, just look at the prices in countries that sell it in liters, a liter there often costs much as a gallon here, and if they start selling gas in liters here it won't be long before that happens in the US too. That has _NOTHING_ (or at least, very little) to do with what units it is sold in. Much more to do with a president whose family is into aahhl in a big way, and protectionism, and no regard to the environmental impact of burning the stuff. See also the scandal of the US motor lobby getting an exemption from emission controls for SUVs. |
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"Andrew Chesters" wrote in message ... Logan Shaw wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote: SNIP Must say, it is highly entertaining to watch a Yank arguing with an Aus over the semantics and usage of English!! :-) **Kinda like watching two ants argue over a crumb of bread. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Porky" wrote in message ... "Nat" wrote in message ups.com... Does anyone know offhand what the range of safe room temperatures (in F, please) is for studio gear? Wait! if the correct spelling is litre than wouldn't a meter be spelled metre too? **Indeed. That IS how they're spelt. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Porky" wrote in message ... "Nat" wrote in message roups.com... Does anyone know offhand what the range of safe room temperatures (in F, please) is for studio gear? Wait! if the correct spelling is litre than wouldn't a meter be spelled metre too? **Indeed. That IS how they're spelt. MET RE, if you say so rast ro :-) George |
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"Porky" wrote in message
... The problem is that all of us old farts think in feet and inches and ounces and pints and quarts, etc and the US legislature consists of mostly old farts. : Actually, all federal government procurement must be done in metric. -) BTW if you think that gasoline is expensive in the US today, just look at the prices in countries that sell it in liters, a liter there often costs much as a gallon here, and if they start selling gas in liters here it won't be long before that happens in the US too. Which is why we'll switch to quarts before we switch to liters! |
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"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... Trevor Wilson wrote: **Perhaps. However, we are straying off-topic. Both 'luthier' and 'guitar maker' are perfectly descriptive, unambiguous terms. As is cinema and theatre (as used in most of the rest of the English-speaking world). The term 'theater' as used by Americans can mean one of (at least) two completely different things. The two are not necessarily always separate. It's not unheard-of to have a stage in a movie theater or to have a projection booth and a movie screen in a (dramatic) theater. The first time I saw Pink Floyd's "The Wall", it was in such a room. **Good point. Perhaps Americans could consider using the term 'cinema' for the cinema and 'theater' (or theatre) for a live performance venue. Just a thought. Perhaps Australians could consider renaming their "National Highway" system to the "Interstate Highway System" like we say here in the US. But since names are totally arbitrary, that would be a pretty pointless suggestion. **Actually, I think it would be a pretty good idea. Our roadsigns (here in NSW) are a joke. It must terrifying for interstate and overseas drivers to navigate around NSW (generally) and Sydney (specifically). In the US, I found roadsigns to be excellent, easy to read and placed in a timely manner, to allow appropriate lane changes. With the sole exception of the rather bizarre (to me) posting of signs which read: Sepulveda Blvd 13/4 Miles. Interstate 54 27/8 Miles. All very odd. Why not move the signs to read 2 Miles and 3 Miles respectively? However, if you have an explanation why GWB's utter lack of any effect on the US spelling of the words in question indicates a dumbing of America, I'm sure it would be interesting to hear. **Well, there is "nookular". It sends a shiver up my spine, every time I hear it. Well, for better or for worse, consonant-vowel metathesis is part of what happens when people (not just Americans) use language[1]. I agree that it can be grating and is poor form when you're the elected leader of a powerful nation, but it is important to keep in mind that it is often learned as part of a dialect, and one of the key features of dialects is that each of the dialects of a language has subtlely different rules than the other dialects. Bush's apparent inability to say the standard pronunciation of "nuclear" is not entirely dissimilar to the inability of speakers of many Asian languages to hear the difference between the English "L" and "R" sounds. **Indeed. It just scares the Hell out of me that the most powerful individual on the planet has such a poor education. By the way, you know that what we're arguing about here is which dialect of English should be the esteemed one, right? **At this point, yes. My argument is that it's OK for each country to define its own esteemed dialect, and your view seems to be that there should be only one, and that your dialect should be it. **No. I am pointing out that cinema makes sense, rather than theater. I am also pointing out that most of the planet uses the spelling 'Litre', rather than 'Liter'. Pronunciation has little to do with it. BTW: I am well aware of the huge differences in English dialects across the US. Here in Australia, it is far more homogenous. Not right, wrong, better nor worse, just more homogenous. (I would like to point out that you may speak a distinct sub-dialect of the dialect you think is correct without being aware of it.) **Indeed. Country visitors often report a 'Sydney accent'. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Jim Carr" wrote in message news:GeQVd.38945$Tt.25624@fed1read05... "Porky" wrote in message ... The problem is that all of us old farts think in feet and inches and ounces and pints and quarts, etc and the US legislature consists of mostly old farts. : Actually, all federal government procurement must be done in metric. Sure, because alcohol comes in metric measure now. :-) -) BTW if you think that gasoline is expensive in the US today, just look at the prices in countries that sell it in liters, a liter there often costs much as a gallon here, and if they start selling gas in liters here it won't be long before that happens in the US too. Which is why we'll switch to quarts before we switch to liters! You know, we here in the US were blissful in our ignorance when we used imperial measurements, we had no problems with pints, quarts, and ounces; and yards, feet and inches were easy. Then they had to "simplify" things with metrics and now most Americans are hopelessly confused. For instance, I was exactly six feet tall, now I'm 1.828 meters tall, and I used to weigh exactly 210 lbs, now I weigh 95.455 kilograms. How did taking whole numbers and converting them to forms of measurement that required decimal fractions to express simplify things? :-) |
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