Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . .

John L Rice

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . .

John L Rice

I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound
www.xssound.com


"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------

I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound
www.xssound.com


"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------

Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50
hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . .


Jeez, I hope they let those horns thaw out before they put their lips on
'em! =80

dave

Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50
hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . .


Jeez, I hope they let those horns thaw out before they put their lips on
'em! =80

dave

Naw, old brass musicians just age..........

Chuck
(horn player)

"Steven Sena" wrote in message
...
I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound
www.xssound.com


"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically
freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50
hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------

Naw, old brass musicians just age..........

Chuck
(horn player)

"Steven Sena" wrote in message
...
I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound
www.xssound.com


"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically
freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50
hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



That's a 'new' trend with audiophiles, 'freezing' tubes, cables, etc.

Here's a couple of threads from Head-Fi, a headphone forum on the subject.

This guy has had good results with tubes:
http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=49910

And a general discussion he
http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...frozen+ tubes

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing
ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high
school
musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston
Symphony
Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to
offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several
trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours.
As Mr.
Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass
instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing
and in
the range of 'color' in the tone."

------------------------------



That's a 'new' trend with audiophiles, 'freezing' tubes, cables, etc.

Here's a couple of threads from Head-Fi, a headphone forum on the subject.

This guy has had good results with tubes:
http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=49910

And a general discussion he
http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...frozen+ tubes

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically
freezing ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

"Minimal differences" is significant. How many audiophiles pay tens of
thousands of dollars for minimal differences? I think what they were
looking for was "no difference".

dtk

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of
America
meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically
freezing ten
trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and
played
by six musicians."

"Minimal differences" is significant. How many audiophiles pay tens of
thousands of dollars for minimal differences? I think what they were
looking for was "no difference".

dtk

"Steven Sena" wrote in
:

I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

Only during football games.

"Steven Sena" wrote in
:

I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...!

Only during football games.

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change
the sound for the better.

There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after
their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case)
or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory
is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as
they aged.

Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's
guitars on the floor.

Then somebody could spend $75,000 of university or taxpayers money
showing it to be not helpful.

Seems to be everybody wins.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change
the sound for the better.

There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after
their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case)
or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory
is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as
they aged.

Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's
guitars on the floor.

Then somebody could spend $75,000 of university or taxpayers money
showing it to be not helpful.

Seems to be everybody wins.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better.

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the
mouthpiece ...


geoff

"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. .
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb

---Original Message---
In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two
Tufts
University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a
popular
myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will
change
the sound for the better.

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the
mouthpiece ...


geoff

"Chuck" wrote in message
news:2XWvb.212073$9E1.1139607@attbi_s52...
Naw, old brass musicians just age..........

Some tarnish ....


geoff

"Chuck" wrote in message
news:2XWvb.212073$9E1.1139607@attbi_s52...
Naw, old brass musicians just age..........

Some tarnish ....


geoff

"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote
There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after
their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case)
or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory
is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as
they aged.

Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's
guitars on the floor.

Just make sure that your business is well insured.

--
Anthony Gosnell

to reply remove nospam.

"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote
There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after
their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case)
or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory
is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as
they aged.

Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's
guitars on the floor.

Just make sure that your business is well insured.

--
Anthony Gosnell

to reply remove nospam.

In article , Geoff Wood
-nospam wrote:

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the
mouthpiece ...



I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

Tony

In article , Geoff Wood
-nospam wrote:

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the
mouthpiece ...



I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

Tony

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!


Their chief weapon is surprise.

In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:

Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!


Their chief weapon is surprise.

Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...

Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...

Tony Elka wrote:
In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:


Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!



Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and fear!

AT

Tony Elka wrote:
In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:


Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!



Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and fear!

AT

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...


Y'know, I sometimes wonder what somebody would make of a post like this,
were they not familiar with the source material....

--
Kendall

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...


Y'know, I sometimes wonder what somebody would make of a post like this,
were they not familiar with the source material....

--
Kendall

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...

Is it oxygen-free brass ?

geoff

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding
of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective
evaluation...

Is it oxygen-free brass ?

geoff

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message

Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Which laws of metallurgy do you think apply here?

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the
usefulness of subjective evaluation...

Would this be true subjective evaluation, or sighted evaluation?

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message

Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece...

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...!

Their chief weapon is surprise.

Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy...

Which laws of metallurgy do you think apply here?

Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental
understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the
usefulness of subjective evaluation...

Would this be true subjective evaluation, or sighted evaluation?

I'd love to know how they would prove that any changes aren't due solely to
the reaction that I imagine most players would have when sticking their lips
against a frozen instrument.

Ryan