[William Sommerwerck]

I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen on
Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.

What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording, but a
studio recording, nonetheless.

My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved down the
performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense of acoustics. The
sound is almost completely dead.

If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to record
a performance.

[Luxey]

Guess I'd have to buy it toreally know, but judged from samples, YT clips and and this header:

"A daughter-father duo joined by a cellist performing songs of folk and family, pristinely recorded live in the studio at high resolution."

That was exactly what they were after. Studio sound, all at once, without overdubs.

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 9/20/2014 2:41 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen on
Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.

What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording, but a
studio recording, nonetheless.

My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved
down the performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense of
acoustics. The sound is almost completely dead.

If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to
record a performance.

Um, so you're saying the music was so uninteresting that
your mind wandered to the sound stage and such?

[Sorry, but I've been recently spending some time on a
news-group that tends to be anal-retentively pedantic.]

==
Later....
Ron Capik
--

[[email protected]]

Ron Capik wrote: "- show quoted text -
Um, so you're saying the music was so uninteresting that
your mind wandered to the sound stage and such?

[Sorry, but I've been recently spending some time on a
news-group that tends to be anal-retentively pedantic.]

==
Later....
Ron Capik
-- "

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original, emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

[PStamler]

I've listened to the album, and played it on the radio, and all I can say is that William must have been listening to something else. I hear natural space in the recording -- not exaggerated, not overly wet or dry, and definitely not over-processed or toothpaste-squashed. It's an unadorned recording, and to my ears the recording process stays out of the way of the music. As it should.

When I listen to it, I don't go, "Wow, listen to that great engineering" or "Wow, what an incredibly deep soundstage". Instead, I find myself saying, "What excellent songs, and what excellent and tasteful performances." That's what I want in a recording.

If I want to go "wow" about the engineering, I'll dig up my copy of "Persuasive Percussion" (thanks, Scott!).

Peace,
Paul

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 9/21/2014 9:31 PM, wrote:
Ron Capik wrote: "- show quoted text -
Um, so you're saying the music was so uninteresting that
your mind wandered to the sound stage and such?

[Sorry, but I've been recently spending some time on a
news-group that tends to be anal-retentively pedantic.]

==
Later....
Ron Capik
-- "

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original, emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

So you've heard the tracks and agree with Mr. Sommerwreck ....?

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[None]

"Ron C" wrote in message
...
On 9/21/2014 9:31 PM, wrote:
Ron Capik wrote: "- show quoted text -
Um, so you're saying the music was so uninteresting that
your mind wandered to the sound stage and such?

[Sorry, but I've been recently spending some time on a
news-group that tends to be anal-retentively pedantic.]

==
Later....
Ron Capik
-- "

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original,
emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

So you've heard the tracks and agree with Mr. Sommerwreck ....?

Li'l Krissie just looks at the waveform. He has no idea what anything
sound like.

[PStamler]

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:11:53 PM UTC-6, Jeff Henig wrote:
PStamler wrote:

I've listened to the album, and played it on the radio, and all I can say

is that William must have been listening to something else. I hear

natural space in the recording -- not exaggerated, not overly wet or dry,

and definitely not over-processed or toothpaste-squashed. It's an

unadorned recording, and to my ears the recording process stays out of

the way of the music. As it should.



When I listen to it, I don't go, "Wow, listen to that great engineering"

or "Wow, what an incredibly deep soundstage". Instead, I find myself

saying, "What excellent songs, and what excellent and tasteful

performances." That's what I want in a recording.



If I want to go "wow" about the engineering, I'll dig up my copy of
"Persuasive Percussion" (thanks, Scott!).



Peace,

Paul



Agreed--except for "Persuasive Percussion", as I've never heard it.

It's a "Stereo Spectacular" album issued in the late 1950s on Command Records. A lot of people bought to show off their new stereo hi-fi systems. The music was a variant on what is now called Lounge.

Peace,
Paul

[Gary Eickmeier]

So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

[Gary Eickmeier]

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

....and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

[geoff]

On 22/09/2014 4:11 p.m., Jeff Henig wrote:


"Carry Me Home" is a very enjoyable recording, and quite relaxing to listen
to, as well. It goes well with Merlot. (;^)


Sam Merlot ?

geoff

[hank alrich]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen on
Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.

What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording, but a
studio recording, nonetheless.

My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved down the
performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense of acoustics. The
sound is almost completely dead.

If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to record
a performance.

The space is there. There is a cardioid Schoeps pair above the trio
feeding a Millennia preamp, and it hears us as if Doug is in the middle.
The stereo track from that pair is what the whole mix is built upon.

I think you may want a larger space. To my ear, that's not necessarily
apt for this style of music. In any case, there were many reasons for
choosing the particular studio in which we worked, and only one of them
was that the ceiling height accomodated placing the stereo pair.

Further, you might be surprised by the extent to which the close mics
_were_ very closely placed. That you heard otherwise is testimony to the
sound of the room.

Thanks for your comments, Bill. Yes, it was recorded in a studio. Yes,
it is a live recording, because we played every note together, without
resorting to overdubs, or headphones.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do
you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around
here?

Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.

Or, look at my .sig€¦

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/21/2014 9:27 PM, Ron C wrote:
Um, so you're saying the music was so uninteresting that
your mind wandered to the sound stage and such?

I could understand that, based on some of the music that William has
mentioned in his posts over the years.

--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/22/2014 6:39 AM, Mike Rivers (that's me!) wrote:

I could understand that, based on some of the music that William has
mentioned in his posts over the years.

I realized when I read it back that this sounds like an insult. It's not
intended as such, just that how individuals perceive music is influenced
a good bit by their experience and enjoyment of the genre.



--
For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Jeff Henig wrote:
PStamler wrote:

If I want to go "wow" about the engineering, I'll dig up my copy of
"Persuasive Percussion" (thanks, Scott!).

Agreed--except for "Persuasive Percussion", as I've never heard it.

You should, it's a Bob Fine innovation of sorts. Command Records sort of
took the close-miking technology of pop music and applied it to acoustic
music, to make everything much bigger and closer and to eliminate the sense
of space causing everything to be happening up close all at once. It defined
the notion of "Hi-Fi" back in the sixties.

It is extremely unnatural, but it's technologically and socially important
because it was a big step on how we got to where we are today.

Give me an address and I'll send you some random Command LP; I can't
guarantee it's any particular one but I can guarantee it will be
unnatural.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Paul Babiak]

On 09/22/2014 11:11 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Jeff Henig wrote:
PStamler wrote:

If I want to go "wow" about the engineering, I'll dig up my copy of
"Persuasive Percussion" (thanks, Scott!).


Is this the one?

http://tinyurl.com/persuasivepercussion

[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers wrote:

On 9/22/2014 6:39 AM, Mike Rivers (that's me!) wrote:

I could understand that, based on some of the music that William has
mentioned in his posts over the years.

I realized when I read it back that this sounds like an insult. It's not
intended as such, just that how individuals perceive music is influenced
a good bit by their experience and enjoyment of the genre.

Indeed. Hard to immerse oneself in sound one finds repulsive!

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[William Sommerwerck]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

You should, it's a Bob Fine innovation of sorts. Command Records
sort of took the close-miking technology of pop music and applied it
to acoustic music, to make everything much bigger and closer and
to eliminate the sense of space causing everything to be happening
up close all at once. It defined the notion of "Hi-Fi" back in the sixties.

To the best of my knowledge, this is not correct.

To the average listener in 1958, "stereo" meant "separation". Enoch Light
decided to produce recordings with such extreme separation that it would be
plainly audible on fruitwood consoles where the speakers were barely 3' apart.

Having listened to some of these on good playback equipment, it appears that
he did this with a Blumlein pair, the instruments strongly divided between
left and right. He would switch one mic off in order to produce a strong sense
of the other side being the only source. On rare occasions where both mics are
on, there's a plausible sense of depth and space.

[William Sommerwerck]

"Ron C" wrote in message
...

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original,
emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

So you've heard the tracks and agree with Mr. Sommerwerck ....?

Whoops, whoops, whoops. You're misreading. I was commenting solely on the
sound quality of Mr Alrich's recording, and nothing else.

Mr Alrich's earlier statements had suggested he made recordings with
natural-sounding acoustics. I do not hear these in this recording. I hear
multi-miked sound, with the performers sufficiently distanced that it doesn't
sound is the mics have been shoved down their throats. But there is no real
ambience.

[William Sommerwerck]

"hank alrich" wrote in message ...
Mike Rivers wrote:

I realized when I read it back that this sounds like an insult. It's not
intended as such, just that how individuals perceive music is influenced
a good bit by their experience and enjoyment of the genre.

Indeed. Hard to immerse oneself in sound one finds repulsive!

The sound of this recording is not repulsive sounding! It just wasn't what I
expected.

[William Sommerwerck]

"hank alrich" wrote in message ...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen
on Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.

What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording,
but a studio recording, nonetheless.

My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved
down the performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense
of acoustics. The sound is almost completely dead.

If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to
record a performance.

The space is there. There is a cardioid Schoeps pair above the trio
feeding a Millennia preamp, and it hears us as if Doug is in the middle.
The stereo track from that pair is what the whole mix is built upon.

I think you may want a larger space. To my ear, that's not necessarily
apt for this style of music. In any case, there were many reasons for
choosing the particular studio in which we worked, and only one of them
was that the ceiling height accomodated placing the stereo pair.

Further, you might be surprised by the extent to which the close mics
//were// very closely placed. That you heard otherwise is testimony to
the sound of the room.

Thanks for your comments, Bill. Yes, it was recorded in a studio. Yes,
it is a live recording, because we played every note together, without
resorting to overdubs, or headphones.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond.

My experiences in live recording have convinced me that getting the ambience
the way you want it is the hardest part of recording. I've had the experience
of placing mics virtually on top of performers, and still having the recording
awash in excessive ambience. I'm not altogether surprised when you say that
the performers //were// closely miked.

You might understand my feelings better if I told you that I find most
recordings of Baroque and Classical music excessively (ie, inappropriately)
reverberant.

My experiences with multi-ch SACD and BD Audio recordings is that ambience is
in much better balance with the direct sound. I ascribe this to (obviously!)
different miking techniques. I would appreciate comments from anyone knowing
anything about how miking has changed to accommodate surround recording
(assuming it has).

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Ron C" wrote in message
...

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original,
emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

So you've heard the tracks and agree with Mr. Sommerwerck ....?

Whoops, whoops, whoops. You're misreading. I was commenting solely on
the sound quality of Mr Alrich's recording, and nothing else.

Mr Alrich's earlier statements had suggested he made recordings with
natural-sounding acoustics. I do not hear these in this recording. I
hear multi-miked sound, with the performers sufficiently distanced that
it doesn't sound is the mics have been shoved down their throats. But
there is no real ambience.


The recording was not done in an auditorium with a remote pair. I
presume you're using that as the standard for "natural sound"?

It was done in a studio with "medium" mics - not extreme close micing,
but not exactly remote either.

I'd think of it as a classic "radio show" miking regime.

"Natural" is a relative term.

So go listen for some Florida Georgia Line records to see how
"unnatural" things can get.

--
Les Cargill

[hank alrich]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Ron C" wrote in message
...

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original,
emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

So you've heard the tracks and agree with Mr. Sommerwerck ....?

Whoops, whoops, whoops. You're misreading. I was commenting solely on the
sound quality of Mr Alrich's recording, and nothing else.

Mr Alrich's earlier statements had suggested he made recordings with
natural-sounding acoustics. I do not hear these in this recording. I hear
multi-miked sound, with the performers sufficiently distanced that it doesn't
sound is the mics have been shoved down their throats. But there is no real
ambience.

The closely-placed mics _are_ much "shoved down our throats". What leads
you to think you hear otherwise is the _real ambience of *that* room_.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Gary Eickmeier]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to
Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do
you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around
here?

Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.

Or, look at my .sig.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

How obvious! Silly me.Why should he post any information about the album
when all we have to do is look up one of your posts, see if there is a URL
to your site, and find out there. OK so I did that, got nowhere on your
site, went to CD Baby and they wanted me to sell my music to them (but I get
mailings from them all the time - and buy many of their unique offerings),
so I went to Amazon and found out why I couldn't find it there before - it's
an MP3 album! I was looking for CD & Vinyl and typed in as much info as Bill
gave us, and your album didn't show up.

I would get it if it were offered in CD. Maybe I will download a few of the
cuts and put them on CD so I can play them out front in the music room.

Thanks for the clue, and it's been fun! Kind of like a road rally or
scavenger hunt.

Gary

[Scott Dorsey]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

You should, it's a Bob Fine innovation of sorts. Command Records
sort of took the close-miking technology of pop music and applied it
to acoustic music, to make everything much bigger and closer and
to eliminate the sense of space causing everything to be happening
up close all at once. It defined the notion of "Hi-Fi" back in the sixties.

To the best of my knowledge, this is not correct.

What is not correct?

To the average listener in 1958, "stereo" meant "separation". Enoch Light
decided to produce recordings with such extreme separation that it would be
plainly audible on fruitwood consoles where the speakers were barely 3' apart.

This is absolutely true!

Having listened to some of these on good playback equipment, it appears that
he did this with a Blumlein pair, the instruments strongly divided between
left and right. He would switch one mic off in order to produce a strong sense
of the other side being the only source. On rare occasions where both mics are
on, there's a plausible sense of depth and space.

This was done sometimes, and there was an overall room pair.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[PStamler]

It is on CD. Look harder.

Peace,
Paul

[Luxey]

понедељак, 22. �ептембар 2014. 18.27.12 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck је напи�ао/ла:
"hank alrich" wrote in message ...

William Sommerwerck wrote:



I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen

on Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.



What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording,

but a studio recording, nonetheless.



My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved

down the performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense

of acoustics. The sound is almost completely dead.



If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to

record a performance.



The space is there. There is a cardioid Schoeps pair above the trio

feeding a Millennia preamp, and it hears us as if Doug is in the middle..

The stereo track from that pair is what the whole mix is built upon.



I think you may want a larger space. To my ear, that's not necessarily

apt for this style of music. In any case, there were many reasons for

choosing the particular studio in which we worked, and only one of them

was that the ceiling height accomodated placing the stereo pair.



Further, you might be surprised by the extent to which the close mics

//were// very closely placed. That you heard otherwise is testimony to

the sound of the room.



Thanks for your comments, Bill. Yes, it was recorded in a studio. Yes,

it is a live recording, because we played every note together, without

resorting to overdubs, or headphones.



I appreciate your taking the time to respond.



My experiences in live recording have convinced me that getting the ambience

the way you want it is the hardest part of recording. I've had the experience

of placing mics virtually on top of performers, and still having the recording

awash in excessive ambience. I'm not altogether surprised when you say that

the performers //were// closely miked.



You might understand my feelings better if I told you that I find most

recordings of Baroque and Classical music excessively (ie, inappropriately)

reverberant.



My experiences with multi-ch SACD and BD Audio recordings is that ambience is

in much better balance with the direct sound. I ascribe this to (obviously!)

different miking techniques. I would appreciate comments from anyone knowing

anything about how miking has changed to accommodate surround recording

(assuming it has).

Ever been to average studio where bands record their stuff? Do you have any idea how large/ small they usually are? If you think radio house recording places for classic/ symphonic recordings, be sure it's nothing like that, in the real world.

[Sean Conolly]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Mike Rivers wrote:

On 9/22/2014 6:39 AM, Mike Rivers (that's me!) wrote:

I could understand that, based on some of the music that William has
mentioned in his posts over the years.

I realized when I read it back that this sounds like an insult. It's not
intended as such, just that how individuals perceive music is influenced
a good bit by their experience and enjoyment of the genre.

Indeed. Hard to immerse oneself in sound one finds repulsive!

I do it at every gig! (pa-dap boom!)

Sean

[Luxey]

понедељак, 22. �ептембар 2014. 21.07.52 UTC+2, Gary Eickmeier је напи�ао/ла:
"hank alrich" wrote in message

...

Gary Eickmeier wrote:



"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message

...

So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to

Amazon

and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.



Gary Eickmeier



...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.



Gary



Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do

you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around

here?



Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.



Or, look at my .sig.



--

shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com

HankandShaidriMusic.Com

YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic



How obvious! Silly me.Why should he post any information about the album

when all we have to do is look up one of your posts, see if there is a URL

to your site, and find out there. OK so I did that, got nowhere on your

site, went to CD Baby and they wanted me to sell my music to them (but I get

mailings from them all the time - and buy many of their unique offerings),

so I went to Amazon and found out why I couldn't find it there before - it's

an MP3 album! I was looking for CD & Vinyl and typed in as much info as Bill

gave us, and your album didn't show up.



I would get it if it were offered in CD. Maybe I will download a few of the

cuts and put them on CD so I can play them out front in the music room.



Thanks for the clue, and it's been fun! Kind of like a road rally or

scavenger hunt.



Gary

So Gary, apart from being an inovator and builder of the bestests speakers in the world, your music is soo good CD Baby won't give you any rest before you decide to sell through them? Whish I was that genious. You're almost as smart as that thekma moronic creature.

[Luxey]

понедељак, 22. �ептембар 2014. 03.31.38 UTC+2, је напи�ао/ла:


The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original, emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.


What a ****in? moron you must be to write something like that?

[Sean Conolly]

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to
Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do
you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around
here?

Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.

Or, look at my .sig.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

How obvious! Silly me.Why should he post any information about the album
when all we have to do is look up one of your posts, see if there is a URL
to your site, and find out there. OK so I did that, got nowhere on your
site, went to CD Baby and they wanted me to sell my music to them (but I
get mailings from them all the time - and buy many of their unique
offerings), so I went to Amazon and found out why I couldn't find it there
before - it's an MP3 album! I was looking for CD & Vinyl and typed in as
much info as Bill gave us, and your album didn't show up.

I would get it if it were offered in CD. Maybe I will download a few of
the cuts and put them on CD so I can play them out front in the music
room.


OK, you have to click through a couple of links from Hank's site, but here
it is:
http://antonesrecordshop.com/content...hp?name=alrich

Sean

[[email protected]]

Luxey-Putin's bootlicker wrote: "понедељак, 22. �ептембар 2014. 03.31.38 UTC+2, је напи�ао/ла:

The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original, emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.

What a ****in? moron you must be to write something like that?"

Hey Lux, ever hear of brickwall limiting, combined with compression & make-up gain? I know most clients demand LOUD AS POSSIBLE, but I'd love to see a few engineers spine up and stand up for what sounds good for once instead of just counting the $ signs.

I've already contacted a few managers to hear pre-masters of their artists' works, might be am eye-opener to hear unsquashed versions.

Tell your boy to keep out of Ukraine and Eastern Europe, Komrade.

[hank alrich]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to
Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do
you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around
here?

Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.

Or, look at my .sig.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

How obvious! Silly me.

Made for an easy tease! g

Why should he post any information about the album
when all we have to do is look up one of your posts, see if there is a URL
to your site, and find out there. OK so I did that, got nowhere on your
site, went to CD Baby and they wanted me to sell my music to them (but I get
mailings from them all the time - and buy many of their unique offerings),
so I went to Amazon and found out why I couldn't find it there before - it's
an MP3 album! I was looking for CD & Vinyl and typed in as much info as Bill
gave us, and your album didn't show up.

I would get it if it were offered in CD.

See below€¦

Maybe I will download a few of the
cuts and put them on CD so I can play them out front in the music room.

See below€¦

Thanks for the clue, and it's been fun! Kind of like a road rally or
scavenger hunt.

Gary

On my hankalrich.com homepage there is a notice below the album cover
image, that says (we use english!) "Buy Hank & Shaidri's Carry Me Home!"

Look in the upper left quadrant.

http://antonesrecordshop.com/content...hp?name=alrich

If you darest click that link you will be taken to a vendor of the
physical product. While you may buy it from CDBaby in physical form, or
digital download(s), we like to steer folks to what we consider a local
business, in this case Antone's Record Shop in Austin TX, for the CD's.

Note also that on the page at my site for the product there are links to
downloadable files in various MP3 bitrates, 16/44.1, and 24/96 for one
of the songs that happens to be in the public domain. Hence, no
licensing necessary. So we offer a free round where we can afford it, in
formats you can compare. All formats were prepared at Jerry Tubb's Terra
Nova Digital during mastering. Each was treated invidually according to
what we heard in playback.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[hank alrich]

Luxey wrote:

?????????, 22. ????????? 2014. 18.27.12 UTC+2, William Sommerwerck :
"hank alrich" wrote...

William Sommerwerck wrote:



I bought a copy of Hank Alrich's "Carry Me Home" and gave it a listen

on Apogee speakers and STAX headphones.



What I heard was a studio recording. A very good studio recording,

but a studio recording, nonetheless.



My problem is that there is no sense of space. The mics aren't shoved

down the performers' throats (or instruments), but there is no sense

of acoustics. The sound is almost completely dead.



If this is what was wanted, fine. But it isn't the way I would like to

record a performance.



The space is there. There is a cardioid Schoeps pair above the trio

feeding a Millennia preamp, and it hears us as if Doug is in the middle.

The stereo track from that pair is what the whole mix is built upon.



I think you may want a larger space. To my ear, that's not necessarily

apt for this style of music. In any case, there were many reasons for

choosing the particular studio in which we worked, and only one of them

was that the ceiling height accomodated placing the stereo pair.



Further, you might be surprised by the extent to which the close mics

//were// very closely placed. That you heard otherwise is testimony to

the sound of the room.



Thanks for your comments, Bill. Yes, it was recorded in a studio. Yes,

it is a live recording, because we played every note together, without

resorting to overdubs, or headphones.



I appreciate your taking the time to respond.



My experiences in live recording have convinced me that getting the
ambience

the way you want it is the hardest part of recording. I've had the
experience

of placing mics virtually on top of performers, and still having the
recording

awash in excessive ambience. I'm not altogether surprised when you say
that

the performers //were// closely miked.



You might understand my feelings better if I told you that I find most

recordings of Baroque and Classical music excessively (ie,
inappropriately)

reverberant.



My experiences with multi-ch SACD and BD Audio recordings is that
ambience is

in much better balance with the direct sound. I ascribe this to
(obviously!)

different miking techniques. I would appreciate comments from anyone
knowing

anything about how miking has changed to accommodate surround recording

(assuming it has).

Ever been to average studio where bands record their stuff? Do you have
any idea how large/ small they usually are? If you think radio house
recording places for classic/ symphonic recordings, be sure it's
nothing like that, in the real world.


Indeed. In this case the room was medium-sized, with sufficient ceiling
height for my plan, and a very even acoustical response. Lots of wood in
the room. A nice space in which to play live acoustic music.

http://www.cedarcreekrecording.com/p...1039-full.html

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[hank alrich]

PStamler wrote:

It is on CD. Look harder.

Peace,
Paul

Perhaps the persistent practice of perspicacity can be perplexing.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Luxey]

уторак, 23. �ептембар 2014. 01.03.52 UTC+2, је напи�ао/ла:
Luxey-Putin's bootlicker wrote: "понедељак, 22. �ептембар 2014. 03.31.38 UTC+2, је напи�ао/ла:



The music itself could be awesome, groundbreaking, original, emotionally gripping - until processing is applied.



What a ****in? moron you must be to write something like that?"



Hey Lux, ever hear of brickwall limiting, combined with compression & make-up gain? I know most clients demand LOUD AS POSSIBLE, but I'd love to see a few engineers spine up and stand up for what sounds good for once instead of just counting the $ signs.



I've already contacted a few managers to hear pre-masters of their artists' works, might be am eye-opener to hear unsquashed versions.



Tell your boy to keep out of Ukraine and Eastern Europe, Komrade.

Ok, I see, you're not a moron, you're just an uneducated fool.

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 9/22/2014 11:33 AM, hank alrich wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:

On 9/22/2014 6:39 AM, Mike Rivers (that's me!) wrote:

I could understand that, based on some of the music that William has
mentioned in his posts over the years.

I realized when I read it back that this sounds like an insult. It's not
intended as such, just that how individuals perceive music is influenced
a good bit by their experience and enjoyment of the genre.

Indeed. Hard to immerse oneself in sound one finds repulsive!

Probably why I'd never become a real sound pro.
[Um, actually (at my age) my ears are too far gone
to even think of going there.]

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[hank alrich]

Sean Conolly wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

"Gary Eickmeier" wrote in message
...
So how does anyone know which album he is talking about? I went to
Amazon
and there are 2 "Carry Me Back" albums in there.

Gary Eickmeier

...and 7 "Carry Me Home"s.

Gary

Think carefully about this deep quandry, Gary. Now, how in the world do
you think you would find a link to this product? See any URL's around
here?

Or, I dunno, maybe grok some name associated with it.

Or, look at my .sig.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

How obvious! Silly me.Why should he post any information about the album
when all we have to do is look up one of your posts, see if there is a URL
to your site, and find out there. OK so I did that, got nowhere on your
site, went to CD Baby and they wanted me to sell my music to them (but I
get mailings from them all the time - and buy many of their unique
offerings), so I went to Amazon and found out why I couldn't find it there
before - it's an MP3 album! I was looking for CD & Vinyl and typed in as
much info as Bill gave us, and your album didn't show up.

I would get it if it were offered in CD. Maybe I will download a few of
the cuts and put them on CD so I can play them out front in the music
room.


OK, you have to click through a couple of links from Hank's site, but here
it is:
http://antonesrecordshop.com/content...hp?name=alrich

Sean

It's also right on the homepage, below the image of the CD cover, with
the prompt to buy the product.

Then, over at another of my sites, on the music page, are links to
sources for both digital downloads and hard product. [We try to make
things difficult. ;-) ]

http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/music-more/

"Purchase Hank & Shaidri's CD Carry Me Home from Antone's Record Shop."
"Preview tracks and purchase downloads or CD's from CD Baby."
"Preview tracks and purchase downloads from iTunes."

Each line in that quote is hyperlinked to the product.

http://antonesrecordshop.com/content...hp?name=alrich

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharman

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/ca...-harman/id3580
14532

AKA: http://tinyurl.com/pwus3oc

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[[email protected]]

Tom McCreadie wrote: "
Sure hope you don't use mics that are poor with p-blasting, Hank :-)

--
Tom McCreadie "


But P-P-p-blasting is all part of the charm of that '21st century sound'!

Just like mic-swallowing.