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Check this out:

https://www.zoom-na.com/

The most amazing recorder I have yet seen. I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!

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Best-sounding? Unlikely.

And where is the SoundField module?
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
Best-sounding? Unlikely.

And where is the SoundField module?


Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes you want! Portable!
Flexible!

Clever.... these guys seem to have thought of everything as far as our
needs. Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case you went
overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.

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And where is the SoundField module?


Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes
you want! Portable! Flexible!


Do you know how much trouble it is to carry a minimum of three mics, plus the
stands, for a SoundField setup?

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And where is the SoundField module?


Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes
you want! Portable! Flexible!


Do you know how much trouble it is to carry a minimum of three mics,
plus the stands, for a SoundField setup?


Three mikes? I thought it was just one Calrec Soundfield microphone.

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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:58:43 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article ):

The most amazing recorder I have yet seen. I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!
------------------------------snip------------------------------


Get this instead:

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t/

It costs about twenty times more ($8000) than the Zoom H6, but often in pro
sound, you get what you pay for. The Sound Devices is going to have far more
flexibility, reliability, better sound quality, and much, much quieter mic
preamps. Note that you'll still need microphones -- and you can't get six
great mics for $400, for the most part.

If you can't afford to buy one, RENT one.

--MFW

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On 9/28/2013 6:58 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!


Don't sell your mixer, multichannel recorder, and phantom power supply
before you have time to work with the H6a for a few months. I guarantee
you'll miss the convenience of having all the controls right in front of
you.

I'm sure there are people for whom this is an ideal recorder.What do you
do that makes you believe it will replace most of what you're using now?
Are you doing surround recording on location? Or planning to work on
your next magnum opus at the beach?

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a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson

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On 9/28/2013 10:49 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case you went
overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.


That's a fairly common feature of handheld recorders these days.
Brilliant is how the Sony PCM-D50 handles "overs." It's always recording
a backup stereo track 10 dB or so below the primary recording.. When it
detects an overload, it automatically replaces the overloaded portion
with the backup track and normalizes it so that it goes to full scale,
but not clipped. It's the perfect limiter. I wish they could put it in a
box with analog inputs and outputs.


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Gary Eickmeier wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:
Best-sounding? Unlikely.

And where is the SoundField module?


Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes you want! Portable!
Flexible!


Mike preamps jammed into a tiny box with noisy digital electronics. Tiny
controls with multiple menus to do even the simplest of operations.

Clever.... these guys seem to have thought of everything as far as our
needs. Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case you went
overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.


I think you need to try using some professional equipment and get some idea
of just what is out there and what is possible. Not that you can't make
good recordings with cheap gear, but it's a lot more work.
--scott
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And where is the SoundField module?

And to drive home my point... A SoundField configuration lets you synthesize a
pair of mics with /any/ pattern, pointing in /any/ direction, with /any/
angular separation. It's the Swiss Army Knife of miking.

Marc is probably right about the noisy electronics, etc.



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I just looked at the specs for the H6.

I might have missed something, but /nowhere/ do I see a S/N spec for a
specified SPL.

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Marc Wielage wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:58:43 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article ):

The most amazing recorder I have yet seen. I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!
------------------------------snip------------------------------


Get this instead:

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t/

It costs about twenty times more ($8000) than the Zoom H6, but often in pro
sound, you get what you pay for. The Sound Devices is going to have far more
flexibility, reliability, better sound quality, and much, much quieter mic
preamps. Note that you'll still need microphones -- and you can't get six
great mics for $400, for the most part.

If you can't afford to buy one, RENT one.

--MFW


Just throwing this out there - Focusrite's USB2.0 line works with a
netbook for up to 18 channels ( two would have to be S/PDIF, eight
lightpipe ). That runs about (omitting the S/PDIF for now ):

$500 for the Focusrite
plus $500 for an Octopre ( or ADA8000 for less )
plus $250 for the netbook,
plus $60 for a Reaper license.
for around $1300

The preamps aren't all that noisy, and Reaper would probably*
enable a -20dB parallel track with a little finagling.

*meaning I know how I'd try to do it, but haven't - set up two
tracks from the same input(s) and throw a gain control plugin
on one.

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William Sommerwerck wrote:
And where is the SoundField module?


And to drive home my point... A SoundField configuration lets you
synthesize a pair of mics with /any/ pattern, pointing in /any/
direction, with /any/ angular separation. It's the Swiss Army Knife
of miking.
Marc is probably right about the noisy electronics, etc.


Well, the remark does bother me, but I have a Tascam DR-07, a Zoom R16, a
Zoom H2n, and even a little digital voice recorder that have no problem in
this area. I am confident that they know how to build a quality product and
from the care taken in the design of its functions I don't see why they
wouldn't. Will let you know in about a week!

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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary Eickmeier wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:
Best-sounding? Unlikely.

And where is the SoundField module?


Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes you want!
Portable! Flexible!


Mike preamps jammed into a tiny box with noisy digital electronics.
Tiny controls with multiple menus to do even the simplest of
operations.

Clever.... these guys seem to have thought of everything as far as
our needs. Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case
you went overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.


I think you need to try using some professional equipment and get
some idea of just what is out there and what is possible. Not that
you can't make good recordings with cheap gear, but it's a lot more
work. --scott


Well, Shure, but I am not you and doing it for a living - yet - and from my
photography experience you can come pretty close to the best pro standards
with some amateur equipment. I need to stay portable, battery powered, and
flexible and out of the way at these concerts Will let you know in about a
week how it sounds!

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On 9/28/2013 6:58 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:

I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!


Don't sell your mixer, multichannel recorder, and phantom power supply
before you have time to work with the H6a for a few months. I
guarantee you'll miss the convenience of having all the controls
right in front of you.

I'm sure there are people for whom this is an ideal recorder.What do
you do that makes you believe it will replace most of what you're
using now? Are you doing surround recording on location? Or planning
to work on your next magnum opus at the beach?


Right, well, OK, I will keep the other equipment until I am sure about the
H6, but I see no reason to think it will be any less quality than my Tascam
or other Zoom recorders.

I just record the local wind band for free, trying to perfect my technique
and learn about recording. Doing recording really is a fast track to
understanding a lot about audio in general, and you get to compare your
results to the live sound etc.

Gary




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I just looked at the specs for the H6.

I might have missed something, but /nowhere/ do I see a S/N spec for a
specified SPL.


No, nor do they publish any graphs or specs for their microphone capsules.
But I have some experience with their products now, and I see no reason to
fear. I have great hope that this will be the best one yet.

Gary


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Gary Eickmeier wrote:

William Sommerwerck wrote:
And where is the SoundField module?


And to drive home my point... A SoundField configuration lets you
synthesize a pair of mics with /any/ pattern, pointing in /any/
direction, with /any/ angular separation. It's the Swiss Army Knife
of miking.
Marc is probably right about the noisy electronics, etc.


Well, the remark does bother me, but I have a Tascam DR-07, a Zoom
R16, a Zoom H2n, and even a little digital voice recorder that have
no problem in this area. I am confident that they know how to build a
quality product and from the care taken in the design of its
functions I don't see why they wouldn't.


I had a Zoom R16 for half an hour, that was the time it took to determine
that it would go back to the shop. It's a toy. Perhaps you should look into
an Oade modified R44.

Gary Eickmeier


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On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:58:43 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article ):

The most amazing recorder I have yet seen. I could get rid of my mixer,
multichannel recorder (Zoom R16) and my battery powered Phantom power
supply. It is a six channel recorder and full studio in a box!
------------------------------snip------------------------------


Get this instead:

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t/

It costs about twenty times more ($8000) than the Zoom H6, but often in pro
sound, you get what you pay for. The Sound Devices is going to have far
more
flexibility, reliability, better sound quality, and much, much quieter mic
preamps. Note that you'll still need microphones -- and you can't get six
great mics for $400, for the most part.

If you can't afford to buy one, RENT one.

--MFW




Blimey, an 8 year old child could tell you that an $8000 system is going to
perform better than a $400 dollar one.


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Right, well, OK, I will keep the other equipment until I am sure about the
H6, but I see no reason to think it will be any less quality than my Tascam
or other Zoom recorders.


It's not about quality - they're all about the same in this class. It's
about ease of use and whether you have to read the manual for anything
beyond pressing the record button.


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On Sunday, September 29, 2013 5:25:39 AM UTC-7, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

William Sommerwerck wrote:


Best-sounding? Unlikely.




And where is the SoundField module?




Six simultaneous channel input! Use whatever mikes you want! Portable!


Flexible!




Mike preamps jammed into a tiny box with noisy digital electronics. Tiny

controls with multiple menus to do even the simplest of operations.



Clever.... these guys seem to have thought of everything as far as our


needs. Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case you went


overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.




I think you need to try using some professional equipment and get some idea

of just what is out there and what is possible. Not that you can't make

good recordings with cheap gear, but it's a lot more work.

--scott

--

"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


These devices can make amazing quality recordings, despite all of the drawbacks that you, correctly, point out. I recently recorded a classical string trio using a zoom H2 and it's built-in microphones. I recorded it at 24-bit/96KHz stereo and then used Audacity to boost the bass a bit (luckily I found a frequency response graph of the H2's microphones on-line and was able to flatten the bass-out nicely (the mikes' low-end response is not terrible to begin with). The results are amazing. The recording COULD be released commercially and nobody would complain about the recordings audio quality at all. In fact several people to whom I have sent the file say that not only is it "audiophile quality" sound wise, but that the imaging is absolutely holographic!

Usually I use an Avantone CK-40 with a mixer and a Korg MR1 for most of my location work. I bought the Zoom H2 about 6 years ago as a backup or safety recorder. I just paralleled it with my mixer, hit "record" and let it go. Until August of this year, I had never used it's internal mikes before. I took it to a concert on a whim because, being self contained, I could just stick it in my pocket.


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I just looked at the specs for the H6.



I might have missed something, but /nowhere/ do I see a S/N spec for a

specified SPL.


Hi Bill! Haven't communicated with you since our days at Stereophile together! Glad to see you're still active in audio.

Anyway, If the H6 is anything like the H2, the line-in S/N is excellent and the microphone input S/N is acceptable. Noise from the built-in mikes is better than acceptable and makes good recordings, a bit shy on bass (easily fixed in Audacity), but otherwise quiet enough to be near the threshold of audibility. Like you, I have been unable to find any REAL measured specs on the Zoom products S/N.
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William Sommerwerck wrote:

I just looked at the specs for the H6.




I might have missed something, but /nowhere/ do I see a S/N spec for a


specified SPL.




No, nor do they publish any graphs or specs for their microphone capsules.

But I have some experience with their products now, and I see no reason to

fear. I have great hope that this will be the best one yet.



Gary


Gary;

Here is a VERY comprehensive review of the Zoom H4N complete with measurements. I know for a fact that the microphone capsules used in the H4n, the H2 and the H6 are the same, and I suspect that the rest of the audio performance is similar:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/zoom/h4n.htm#meas

This is the review I used to get the microphone frequency response that I used to gauge the bass boost I added via Audacity on my recent string trio recording with my H2. It seems to be quite accurate, but, of course, this is highly subjective on my part.
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I had a Zoom R16 for half an hour, that was the time it took to
determine that it would go back to the shop. It's a toy. Perhaps you
should look into an Oade modified R44.


The main problem with it was the meters. Four segments to tell digital
levels? I don't think so! The H6 meters aren't any bigger, but they are
color coded and seem to have a lot finer divisions. We shall see. All I am
after is something that can record more than two channels at once!

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These devices can make amazing quality recordings, despite all of the
drawbacks that you, correctly, point out. I recently recorded a
classical string trio using a zoom H2 and it's built-in microphones.
I recorded it at 24-bit/96KHz stereo and then used Audacity to boost
the bass a bit (luckily I found a frequency response graph of the
H2's microphones on-line and was able to flatten the bass-out nicely
(the mikes' low-end response is not terrible to begin with). The
results are amazing. The recording COULD be released commercially and
nobody would complain about the recordings audio quality at all. In
fact several people to whom I have sent the file say that not only is
it "audiophile quality" sound wise, but that the imaging is
absolutely holographic!

Usually I use an Avantone CK-40 with a mixer and a Korg MR1 for most
of my location work. I bought the Zoom H2 about 6 years ago as a
backup or safety recorder. I just paralleled it with my mixer, hit
"record" and let it go. Until August of this year, I had never used
it's internal mikes before. I took it to a concert on a whim because,
being self contained, I could just stick it in my pocket.


Yes, as you know I have had a similar experience with my Zoom H2n. But
George - where did you find response graphs of these little recorders? I
have been searching for such a thing. I wrote to the Zoom US Office to ask
what the response of the H6 might be. In the owners manual that you can
download it seems to have a 120 dB signal to noise ratio.

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Blimey, an 8 year old child could tell you that an $8000 system is
going to perform better than a $400 dollar one.


In the world of audio, the 8 year old could be wrong.

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Right, well, OK, I will keep the other equipment until I am sure
about the H6, but I see no reason to think it will be any less
quality than my Tascam or other Zoom recorders.


It's not about quality - they're all about the same in this class.
It's about ease of use and whether you have to read the manual for
anything beyond pressing the record button.


Not sure what you mean by that. The Zoom has a lot of functions, but seems
to be easy enough to use, and I am familiar with most all of them from my
other recorders. I have a little shirt pocket voice recorder that has not
much more than a red record button, but the H6 is a truly capable machine
that can do a lot for me.

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"Gary Eickmeier" wrote:

George Graves wrote:


These devices can make amazing quality recordings, despite all of the
drawbacks that you, correctly, point out. I recently recorded a
classical string trio using a zoom H2 and it's built-in microphones.
I recorded it at 24-bit/96KHz stereo and then used Audacity to boost
the bass a bit (luckily I found a frequency response graph of the
H2's microphones on-line and was able to flatten the bass-out nicely
(the mikes' low-end response is not terrible to begin with). The
results are amazing. The recording COULD be released commercially and
nobody would complain about the recordings audio quality at all. In
fact several people to whom I have sent the file say that not only is
it "audiophile quality" sound wise, but that the imaging is
absolutely holographic!

Usually I use an Avantone CK-40 with a mixer and a Korg MR1 for most
of my location work. I bought the Zoom H2 about 6 years ago as a
backup or safety recorder. I just paralleled it with my mixer, hit
"record" and let it go. Until August of this year, I had never used
it's internal mikes before. I took it to a concert on a whim because,
being self contained, I could just stick it in my pocket.


Yes, as you know I have had a similar experience with my Zoom H2n. But
George - where did you find response graphs of these little recorders? I
have been searching for such a thing. I wrote to the Zoom US Office to ask
what the response of the H6 might be. In the owners manual that you can
download it seems to have a 120 dB signal to noise ratio.

Gary Eickmeier


http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/zoom/h4n.htm#meas
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Gary;

Here is a VERY comprehensive review of the Zoom H4N complete with
measurements. I know for a fact that the microphone capsules used in
the H4n, the H2 and the H6 are the same, and I suspect that the rest
of the audio performance is similar:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/zoom/h4n.htm#meas

This is the review I used to get the microphone frequency response
that I used to gauge the bass boost I added via Audacity on my recent
string trio recording with my H2. It seems to be quite accurate, but,
of course, this is highly subjective on my part.


Wow - this is terrific George - I never saw this before. He doesn't have a
lot of good to say for the device except that all of these measurements that
he badmouths would not be very audible. As for the response graphs of the
microphones, I cannot see where you need any of the bass boost you are
talking about. These mike graphs look terrific! Especially at the bass end!
Look almost as good as my Audio Technicas!

Thanks, and I hope he reviews the H6 some time.

Gary


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I just looked at the specs for the H6.



I might have missed something, but /nowhere/ do I see a S/N spec for
a

specified SPL.


Hi Bill! Haven't communicated with you since our days at Stereophile
together! Glad to see you're still active in audio.

Anyway, If the H6 is anything like the H2, the line-in S/N is
excellent and the microphone input S/N is acceptable. Noise from the
built-in mikes is better than acceptable and makes good recordings, a
bit shy on bass (easily fixed in Audacity), but otherwise quiet
enough to be near the threshold of audibility. Like you, I have been
unable to find any REAL measured specs on the Zoom products S/N.


Well, this guy's measurements have about 88 dB, right? I think that is what
I saw.

I didn't realize you two were both Stereophile writers. I have known John
Atkinson since I was stationed in England in the 80s and he was at Hi Fi
News. Met Gordon Holt once, at a side tour to an audio dealer in L.A. to
audition some Wilson WAMMs. We both thought they were pretty harsh and
forward sounding. This dealer liked to darken the room to listen, which was
very annoying to me. I like to SEE my imaging, where the individual
instrumental images are in relation to the speaker boxes.

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Peter Larsen wrote:


I had a Zoom R16 for half an hour, that was the time it took to
determine that it would go back to the shop. It's a toy. Perhaps you
should look into an Oade modified R44.


The main problem with it was the meters.


No, the sound. We are a bunch of guys here that keep telling you that with
different levels and skills of diplomacy.

Gary Eickmeier


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On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:06:53 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
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Well, the remark does bother me, but I have a Tascam DR-07, a Zoom R16, a
Zoom H2n, and even a little digital voice recorder that have no problem in
this area. I am confident that they know how to build a quality product and
from the care taken in the design of its functions I don't see why they
wouldn't.
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Rent and use a Sound Devices recorder before you dismiss it.

I have actually used a Zoom recorder, and my opinion is that it's a toy. It
can be useful for certain things -- for example, a musician composing at
home, or a rock group wanting to record rehearsals -- but I wouldn't do
anything more serious than that on it.

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Marc Wielage wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:06:53 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article ):

Well, the remark does bother me, but I have a Tascam DR-07, a Zoom R16, a
Zoom H2n, and even a little digital voice recorder that have no problem in
this area. I am confident that they know how to build a quality product and
from the care taken in the design of its functions I don't see why they
wouldn't.
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Rent and use a Sound Devices recorder before you dismiss it.

I have actually used a Zoom recorder, and my opinion is that it's a toy. It
can be useful for certain things -- for example, a musician composing at
home,


MIDI much?

or a rock group wanting to record rehearsals -- but I wouldn't do
anything more serious than that on it.


The problem is that you eventually want to record more than just a
pair-in-the-air. So you end up making the H2 superfluous.


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Les Cargill wrote:
The problem is that you eventually want to record more than just a
pair-in-the-air. So you end up making the H2 superfluous.

IMHO, the H2 makes a very good safety recording. Stick it somewhere
sensible, and you'll get a sort of usable recording in cases where the
main setup fails for some reason, especially if its internal mics are
used in four channel mode.

(My 2 penn'orth)
They have their uses, and not a few movie soundtracks have been rescued
by one, according to the guys on RAMPS.

Things like the H2, the R16 & R24, H4 and H6 are useful if you're at the
start of the learning curve, as they respond to the same effects of mic
placement in the same way as the more expensive units, and when *you* or
your clients start hearing the problems in the recorder or microphones,
that's the time for you to move up the scale.

In much the same way, the old Tascam Portastudios got quite a few people
started who wouldn't have been involved in sound otherwise.

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Gary Eickmeier wrote:

full studio in a box!


And you are a clueless sucker overwhelmed by marketing-speak.

Pray tell how much experience you have in any "full studio"? HTF would
you know?

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Gary Eickmeier wrote:

Clever.... these guys seem to have thought of everything as far as our
needs. Did you note the simultaneous -12 dB track just in case you went
overboard on the gain? Like, brilliant.


You're new at this, arent you? "Our needs"? Okay, then, carry on€¦

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Marc Wielage wrote:

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:06:53 -0700, Gary Eickmeier wrote
(in article ):

Well, the remark does bother me, but I have a Tascam DR-07, a Zoom R16, a
Zoom H2n, and even a little digital voice recorder that have no problem in
this area. I am confident that they know how to build a quality product and
from the care taken in the design of its functions I don't see why they
wouldn't.
------------------------------snip------------------------------


Rent and use a Sound Devices recorder before you dismiss it.

I have actually used a Zoom recorder, and my opinion is that it's a toy. It
can be useful for certain things -- for example, a musician composing at
home, or a rock group wanting to record rehearsals -- but I wouldn't do
anything more serious than that on it.

--MFW


Amen. OTOH, it's surprising how well it can perform when operated by
someone who knows what they are doing.

OTOH, I have experience with a handful of H2's. Capsule-to-capsule
sensitivity has differed by as much as 6dB. We aren't talking Schoeps
here.

Conversion is adequate. Beats a Walkman cassette, while being nowhere
near as rugged and roadworthy.

Sound Devices delivers high quality tools for the serious professional
or amateur with a decent pocket book.

The differences are like the differences between a real shop and one of
those toy plastic benches with pegs for kids to practice their hammering
skills.

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

Not that you can't make
good recordings with cheap gear, but it's a lot more work.


And you won't do it until you know what you're doing. This is the real
issue here, and one only Gary can address. This would require a
significant change of mindset.

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George Graves wrote:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/zoom/h4n.htm#meas


Thank you, George.

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Gary Eickmeier wrote:

In the owners manual that you can
download it seems to have a 120 dB signal to noise ratio.


Heh heh heh€¦

Wonder how that measures€¦

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Signal-to-Noise Ratios

Input 100 mV balanced at 1 kHz, input gain at 39, output 1 VRMS (output
gain at 84), measured analog input to analog output:

88.7 dB (14.4 effective bits, A-weighted) at 96/24 bits WAV.

89.1 dB (14.5 effective bits, A-weighted) at 44.1/24 bits WAV.

88.9 dB (14.4 effective bits, A-weighted) at 44.1/16 bits WAV.

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Next?€¦

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Gary Eickmeier wrote:

Gareth Magennis wrote:

Blimey, an 8 year old child could tell you that an $8000 system is
going to perform better than a $400 dollar one.


In the world of audio, the 8 year old could be wrong.

Gary


When talking awedeeoh phoolery, yes. When talking about Sound Devices
versus Zoom portables, no. Period.

Will we reach a point where you start talking about what you know? Or
are we going to float onward in a fog of delusional ignorance?

Reading about any work is not the same as doing the work.

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