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Quick question regarding the EV RE-510 handheld vocal condensor
microphone. I've read some comments on the net (far fewer than I'd expected) about this mic, and have had a chance to try one out. Our singer is considering picking one up. It seems to sound fine for rehearsals (he has one on loan), but I think he's sounded solid on just about everything I've stuck in front of him so far. He has an excellent voice and great mic technique. My go-to mic when people ask about live vocal mics is often the Shure Beta-58. They do a pretty good job of cutting through on loud stages and sound engineers aren't afraid of them, so it would be more likely they'd let him use HIS mic. The other option is a Sennheiser EW series handheld wireless system. My wife currently uses one (I forget the model number) and he's tried it with excellent results. Anyway, I'm just wondering if there are any other real-world reviews of this mic. Scott Dorsey stated he hadn't had the best of luck with EV condensors in the past in a RAP post, but the RE20, PL10 and 11, etc., all get rave reviews. I understand the RE-510 may not have been designed by EV? This mic will be used live (not in the studio) for a 70's arena-rock band. The vocalist is doing everything from Blue Oyster Cult to Rush. I'd love to hear suggestions for other industry standard mics, but am more interested in thoughts about this specific mic, as I've never used (or seen) one before last week. Thanks! Corey |
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coreybenson wrote:
Quick question regarding the EV RE-510 handheld vocal condensor microphone. Sorry, not familiar with that. Scott Dorsey stated he hadn't had the best of luck with EV condensors in the past in a RAP post, but the RE20, PL10 and 11, etc., all get rave reviews. Those are all dynamics. None are good choices for handheld use because the variable D ports will get blocked by the singer's hand. This mic will be used live (not in the studio) for a 70's arena-rock band. The vocalist is doing everything from Blue Oyster Cult to Rush. Just use a 58 and call it a day? I'd love to hear suggestions for other industry standard mics, but am more interested in thoughts about this specific mic, as I've never used (or seen) one before last week. My experience is that some mics sound good on some voices but terrible on others. Change the singer, and the mic that sounded terrible sounds good and the mic that sounded good sounds terrible. Some singers sound good on anything. Bottom line is you have to choose mic that works well for that singer and without hearing him or trying mics I can't tell you what's going to work. The 58 sounds equally mediocre on everybody, so it's a popular default choice. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:15:01 -0400, Walt wrote:
coreybenson wrote: Quick question regarding the EV RE-510 handheld vocal condensor microphone. Sorry, not familiar with that. Scott Dorsey stated he hadn't had the best of luck with EV condensors in the past in a RAP post, but the RE20, PL10 and 11, etc., all get rave reviews. Those are all dynamics. None are good choices for handheld use because the variable D ports will get blocked by the singer's hand. This is a good point, but both Elvis and Dolly used Variable D RE16s live. The "Elvis grip" leaves the ports open by holding more or the XLR connector than the mic. Admittedly, that's a bit tougher with the specifically mentioned mics, due to their shape, but the RE16 is an excellent mic that sounds good on most voices. This mic will be used live (not in the studio) for a 70's arena-rock band. The vocalist is doing everything from Blue Oyster Cult to Rush. Just use a 58 and call it a day? Well, there is that. Fact is, damn near nobody used condenser mics for live rock in the 70s, and for arena shows, 58s probably outnumbered everything else combined by about 100 to 1. But nobody was plugging them into Mackie or Behringer mixers back then either, so we're not exactly talking about apples-to-apples. You can get an Opamp Labs 360BM mic preamp module for $50 and have an authentic 70s mic amp. Granted, it wasn't a typical live signal chain, but since you have to put it in a case yourself, you can make it as road-worthy as you need it to be. |
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coreybenson wrote:
Quick question regarding the EV RE-510 handheld vocal condensor microphone. I've read some comments on the net (far fewer than I'd expected) about this mic, and have had a chance to try one out. Our singer is considering picking one up. I found it really, really bright. My go-to mic when people ask about live vocal mics is often the Shure Beta-58. They do a pretty good job of cutting through on loud stages and sound engineers aren't afraid of them, so it would be more likely they'd let him use HIS mic. Sit down with the Beta-58 and the RE-510 and listen to the two of them. Listen to how the top end sounds, and how plosives sound. THEN, turn the mike to the side and listen how quickly the sound falls off. You want a mike that has a good top end, but does not exaggerate plosives, and you want it to be as directional as possible. The more directional it is, the more gain before feedback you will have. The other option is a Sennheiser EW series handheld wireless system. My wife currently uses one (I forget the model number) and he's tried it with excellent results. What mike is on it? Sennheiser makes some marvelous mikes like the 441 and the e855 (well, they stopped making the e855 recently), and they also make trash like the e835. You'll know the difference when you start turning the mike and seeing how directional it is. Anyway, I'm just wondering if there are any other real-world reviews of this mic. Scott Dorsey stated he hadn't had the best of luck with EV condensors in the past in a RAP post, but the RE20, PL10 and 11, etc., all get rave reviews. That's because the RE-20, PL-10 and PL-11 are all dynamic microphones. EV has made some of the world's best dynamic microphones, and they continue to do so. Their attempts at condenser mikes, like the RE-1000, and RE-2000, were pretty awful. I understand the RE-510 may not have been designed by EV? It's hard to tell what EV is any more, since they got borged. The original EV facility in Buchanan was closed about two years ago, and all of their current microphone products are being made at what I think is a former Telex facility. A lot of the original Buchanan staff decided not to move, and their service department basically fell apart completely. So I would not be surprised if this is something designed and built by different people than have designed and built their previous condenser designs. This mic will be used live (not in the studio) for a 70's arena-rock band. The vocalist is doing everything from Blue Oyster Cult to Rush. I'd love to hear suggestions for other industry standard mics, but am more interested in thoughts about this specific mic, as I've never used (or seen) one before last week. If the vocalist likes the RE-510, he (and I'm hoping it's a he and not a she because the pitched up top end can be very irritating on vocals), should look into the N/D 967. and N/D 767, also from EV. They are smooth and tight. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Mar 29, 9:44 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
coreybenson wrote: Quick question regarding the EV RE-510 handheld vocal condensor microphone. I've read some comments on the net (far fewer than I'd expected) about this mic, and have had a chance to try one out. Our singer is considering picking one up. I found it really, really bright. That was my thinking as well, Scott. My go-to mic when people ask about live vocal mics is often the Shure Beta-58. They do a pretty good job of cutting through on loud stages and sound engineers aren't afraid of them, so it would be more likely they'd let him use HIS mic. Sit down with the Beta-58 and the RE-510 and listen to the two of them. Listen to how the top end sounds, and how plosives sound. THEN, turn the mike to the side and listen how quickly the sound falls off. You want a mike that has a good top end, but does not exaggerate plosives, and you want it to be as directional as possible. The more directional it is, the more gain before feedback you will have. I thought he sounded more "robust" with the Beta-58. He has excellent mic technique, so I'm not all that concerned about how HIS voice sounds from the side, but I understand where you're going... off-axis response is an important consideration. The other option is a Sennheiser EW series handheld wireless system. My wife currently uses one (I forget the model number) and he's tried it with excellent results. What mike is on it? Sennheiser makes some marvelous mikes like the 441 and the e855 (well, they stopped making the e855 recently), and they also make trash like the e835. You'll know the difference when you start turning the mike and seeing how directional it is. I believe it's the e855 capsule. Anyway, I'm just wondering if there are any other real-world reviews of this mic. Scott Dorsey stated he hadn't had the best of luck with EV condensors in the past in a RAP post, but the RE20, PL10 and 11, etc., all get rave reviews. That's because the RE-20, PL-10 and PL-11 are all dynamic microphones. EV has made some of the world's best dynamic microphones, and they continue to do so. Their attempts at condenser mikes, like the RE-1000, and RE-2000, were pretty awful. I was aware of that... I mentioned them more to say I really like SOME EV mics, so I'm not dismissing the brand. I haven't had the opportunity to try the RE-1000 or 2000. I understand the RE-510 may not have been designed by EV? It's hard to tell what EV is any more, since they got borged. The original EV facility in Buchanan was closed about two years ago, and all of their current microphone products are being made at what I think is a former Telex facility. A lot of the original Buchanan staff decided not to move, and their service department basically fell apart completely. So I would not be surprised if this is something designed and built by different people than have designed and built their previous condenser designs. I'll say this about the Telex repair facilities: They recently rebuilt my 1970's RE20, and the thing looks and sounds brand new. Amazing work! The foam insides had pretty much disintegrated over time. Now it's wonderful. This mic will be used live (not in the studio) for a 70's arena-rock band. The vocalist is doing everything from Blue Oyster Cult to Rush. I'd love to hear suggestions for other industry standard mics, but am more interested in thoughts about this specific mic, as I've never used (or seen) one before last week. If the vocalist likes the RE-510, he (and I'm hoping it's a he and not a she because the pitched up top end can be very irritating on vocals), should look into the N/D 967. and N/D 767, also from EV. They are smooth and tight. I didn't even think about letting him try my N/D 767 - I always forget I own one! I'll pull that out for him at our next rehearsal! Thanks, Scott! Corey |
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Your vocalist should also check out the Shure KSM9.
Peace, Paul |
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On Mar 29, 12:26 pm, "Paul Stamler" wrote:
Your vocalist should also check out the Shure KSM9. Peace, Paul Thanks, Paul... it's a bit out of his league, pricewise. Of course, as a bass guitarist AND singer I have more invested in my lowest cost bass than he will in ALL of his microphones. Hmm... Corey |
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