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The "debate", was "Ultrabit Platium Disk Treatment"
On Aug 20, 9:58*am, "Harry Lavo" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... One need not listen to every component that happens to be hot this week to know what the results of replacing one sonically transparent component with another are. Well, another voice heard from that doesn't think having to listen to a component is critical to passing judgement on it. *This is when faith in science transcends science to become "scientism", I'm afraid. To paraphrase physicist Fritjof Capra in his 1982 book "The Turning Point," such people use science as a drunkard uses a lamp post: for support rather than illumination. :-) John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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The "debate", was "Ultrabit Platium Disk Treatment"
On Aug 20, 9:58*am, "Harry Lavo" wrote:
Well, another voice heard from that doesn't think having to listen to a component is critical to passing judgement on it. *This is when faith in science transcends science to become "scientism", I'm afraid. No, Harry, that's how science works. You learn the principles, and then you can apply them to answer questions and solve problems. For example, I don't have to listen to every high-end cable to know that few of them have any audible effect on sound quality. All I have to do is understand what cables actually do and how they can affect signals passing through them, then map that against my knowledge of JND thresholds, and predicting the (non-)effect of cables is easy. Arny, who knows a whole lot more about electronics than I, is doing the same for the passive preamp in question. It's the high-end wizards who scream, "Pay no attention to that electron behind the curtain!" It's really odd that audio, clearly a very technical hobby, attracts so many people who have no interest in learning anything about the technical side of the hobby. They're the ones who are relying on "faith"--in what, I'm not sure. Their inflating opinion of their own perceptual capabilities, I suppose. bob |
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The "debate", was "Ultrabit Platium Disk Treatment"
One need not listen to every component that happens to be hot
this week to know what the results of replacing one sonically transparent component with another are. Well, another voice heard from that doesn't think having to listen to a component is critical to passing judgement on it. *This is when faith in science transcends science to become "scientism", I'm afraid. To paraphrase physicist Fritjof Capra in his 1982 book "The Turning Point," such people use science as a drunkard uses a lamp post: for support rather than illumination. :-) I think if one were to ask the dear man he would reply he had in mind such as astrology and esp claimants. He if his attention were to be drawn to subjective reports of perception differences in wooden objects and stick on foil dots and digital clocks and "fast bass" and wire etc. etc. which marketing and hifi mag. reviews are also larded with science terms, would also include such on his list. Sadly he would be prevented from doing so for the usual colorful language more often found to characterize the sound of amps and cd players etc. etc. that also lard marketing and hifi reviews. I recall one of my favorites from a Brit mag. where an electronic item was said to produce a more "chocolate sound". This behavior is a kind of perverse flip side of "scientism" one thinks but none the less useless for a reader of a bit of hifi gear review. |
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