To: Arnii Kroofeces, aka The Big ****
From: G. Middius, Sector Commander, Resistance North America
Date: 27 August 2003
Subject: Your ****fulness


Mr. Kroo****, be advised that complaints have been received about your
RAO posts appearing in proximity to mine. This is unacceptable. My
posts are witty, humorous, funny, and literate, whereas yours are
very, very ****ty. I really can't have my posts being contaminated by
the foul stench of your fecality. Therefore I must order you to cease
replying directly to my posts.

Please do not contemplate the notion that you have "the Constitutional
right to blabber" in that Krooful way of yours. The Resistance hereby
revokes your self-alleged "right" to express yourself. We are fully
justified in doing this because .... well, because you are unspeakably
vile in every conceivable way.

Also, you are hereby directed to get on with killing yourself. We
don't have the entire decade to wait for this event. We suggest
drowning your disgusting self, but we will applaud any successful
venture you undertake.


G. Middius
Resistance Commander

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news



To: Arnii Kroofeces, aka The Big ****
From: G. Middius, Sector Commander, Resistance North America
Date: 27 August 2003
Subject: Your ****fulness


Mr. Kroo****, be advised that complaints have been received about your
RAO posts appearing in proximity to mine. This is unacceptable. My
posts are witty, humorous, funny, and literate, whereas yours are
very, very ****ty. I really can't have my posts being contaminated by
the foul stench of your fecality. Therefore I must order you to cease
replying directly to my posts.

Please do not contemplate the notion that you have "the Constitutional
right to blabber" in that Krooful way of yours. The Resistance hereby
revokes your self-alleged "right" to express yourself. We are fully
justified in doing this because .... well, because you are unspeakably
vile in every conceivable way.

Also, you are hereby directed to get on with killing yourself. We
don't have the entire decade to wait for this event. We suggest
drowning your disgusting self, but we will applaud any successful
venture you undertake.


G. Middius
Resistance Commander


Sorry for being inactive for so long. It was too damn hot in Austin so I
decided to jet off to Geneva for a couple of weeks.

It doesn't look like the Resistance are very effective are they? Instead of
working 'tirelessly' to 'de-Kroogerize Usenet', why don't they start with a
more modest goal? How about one lousy newsgroup?

Schizoid Man wrote:


"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news



To: Arnii Kroofeces, aka The Big ****
From: G. Middius, Sector Commander, Resistance North America
Date: 27 August 2003
Subject: Your ****fulness


Mr. Kroo****, be advised that complaints have been received about your
RAO posts appearing in proximity to mine. This is unacceptable. My
posts are witty, humorous, funny, and literate, whereas yours are
very, very ****ty. I really can't have my posts being contaminated by
the foul stench of your fecality. Therefore I must order you to cease
replying directly to my posts.

Please do not contemplate the notion that you have "the Constitutional
right to blabber" in that Krooful way of yours. The Resistance hereby
revokes your self-alleged "right" to express yourself. We are fully
justified in doing this because .... well, because you are unspeakably
vile in every conceivable way.

Also, you are hereby directed to get on with killing yourself. We
don't have the entire decade to wait for this event. We suggest
drowning your disgusting self, but we will applaud any successful
venture you undertake.


G. Middius
Resistance Commander


Sorry for being inactive for so long. It was too damn hot in Austin so I
decided to jet off to Geneva for a couple of weeks.

It doesn't look like the Resistance are very effective are they? Instead of
working 'tirelessly' to 'de-Kroogerize Usenet', why don't they start with a
more modest goal? How about one lousy newsgroup?











Do you mean this one? What's interesting and tells everybody all they need to
know about compulsive liar Krueger is to look at who is the only person to
start flaming away whenever the subject of making this a moderated group comes
up. Whenever discussions or proposals for rec.audio.moderated (one of the
possible proposed names) have been brought up here, compulsive liar Krueger has
quite predictably started yelling and screaming about conspiracies by his
"enemies" to "run the group" and of course, exclude his pearls of wisdom. But
as today's events re. Krueger & Mr. Atkinson have shown, c-l-K has many
conspiracy theories, and each one is more crazy and paranoid than the one
before it. So what else is new?

As for RAHE, it is practically devoid of subjective audio opinion, as a few of
Krueger's more rational, but equally zealous colleagues, have tried to
monopolize its content with neverending dogma about double blind tests and the
crimes of the Evil High End Establishment.

To his credit, one of the RAHE moderators, appears to have finally called for a
halt to the repetitive, mind-numbing repetition of anti-individual-preference,
anti-subjective-opinion attacks that have dominated that NG.

It would be nice to have something like Audio Asylum available as a Usenet
Newsgroup where light moderation and respect for different viewpoints allows a
free exchange of opinions about different audio products without somebody
yelling "prove it" or just launching a new flame campaign.



Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman said:

It would be nice to have something like Audio Asylum available as a Usenet
Newsgroup where light moderation and respect for different viewpoints allows a
free exchange of opinions about different audio products without somebody
yelling "prove it" or just launching a new flame campaign.

How long before the "objectivist" viewpoint can rid itself of the
stink of the Krooborg and its slavish followers, the Kroopologists?

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


As for RAHE, it is practically devoid of subjective audio opinion, as
a few of Krueger's more rational, but equally zealous colleagues,
have tried to monopolize its content with neverending dogma about
double blind tests and the crimes of the Evil High End Establishment.

Notice that Richman has finally had a major brain update and now admits that
I have colleagues. This contradicts his former claims about me not having
any support in Usenet.

To his credit, one of the RAHE moderators, appears to have finally
called for a halt to the repetitive, mind-numbing repetition of
anti-individual-preference, anti-subjective-opinion attacks that have
dominated that NG.

Actually, I'm quite proud of myself. My best anti-preference post of all
time was accepted for posting and appears below:

---- begin my best anti-preference post yet-----

The role of the original recording in situations like this has to be
carefully considered. A recording might have tight bass or loose bass or
some other kind of bass.

I think that the role of an ideal accurate subwoofer is not to change all
recordings so that they have tight bass, but to reproduce the bass as it was
recorded. However, accurate reproduction of bass notes may not be satisfying
to a particular listener. The listener may wish to hear some other kind of
bass notes regardless of what sort of music the recording contains.

This begs the question as to how one determines what kind of bass a
recording has and how that relates to the sound of the original performance.
These questions become more challenging when we realize that many recordings
are not the result of a single musical performance, but are either
composites or synthesized or processed.

For example, I have a recording of a piano-organ duet involving an organ
with a 16' rank. In the recording, the lowest octave organ notes vary
strongly in intensity from note to note and in repeatable ways.

This begs the question as to how I know that these variations in intensity
are in the recording. I know this these notes vary in intensity because I
have measured them in the recording. I detected this problem by listening
with headphones that are known to have relatively smooth response in the
bass range.

It turns out that the particular organ installation is not very good, the
room it's in has horrific acoustics (especially when not packed with
people), so the notes in question also vary strongly in intensity at the
live venue. The recording is fairly accurate representation of the live
performance.

But, for people who are familiar with how a good organ is supposed to sound,
these bass notes sound very wrong and even irritating. The rest of the organ
sounds at least a little better. If reproduced poorly the varying notes
might not be so noticeable. Reproduced well, the varying notes are more
irritating and less satisfying.

I think that the criteria of "satisfying" is far to ill-defined to act on in
a permanent way without reference to other information. There can be just to
many ill-defined variables.

But I have almost no experience of listening to larger systems with
critically damped woofers capable of moving far larger amounts of air
than the typical speakers or subwoofer.

I think we should look at the performance of any speaker in terms of the
response at the listener's ear. "Critically-damped" is a technical term with
a precise meaning. In the context of a subjective perception, it is
difficult or impossible to know whether or not that technical meaning is
being invoked. Subwoofers in particular are often profoundly effected by the
acoustical properties of the listening room. A speaker can be
critically-damped in its enclosure, but this guarantees little about what
the sound will be like at the listener's ear.

I have always assumed that
such a system would satisfy both requirements - "realistic and
satisfying" and "tight".

It seems unlikely that a subwoofer with poor performance as a component will
fortuitously find itself positioned in a room in such a way that its
deficiencies would be overcome. Far more likely, a subwoofer with good
performance as a component will unfortunately find itself positioned in a
room in such a way that its performance vastly understates its potential.

Who can tell me their experience?

IME there is something very special and wonderful about a very good
recording of bass instruments and the undertones of more ordinary
instruments, played back through an accurate reproducer of bass and all
other audible sounds.

However, this is the imperfect real world, and possession and use of a
system that is an accurate reproducer often serves to better portray the
fact that many recordings are well, troubled. Sometimes the recordings are
troubled because the original musical source is troubled, and sometimes the
troubles seem to be imposed during production. Some of these troubles are
environmental, as the ability to reproduce deep bass adds critical
requirements for acoustic isolation of vinyl playback and even sometimes
tubed amplification equipment.

As I
have pondered building a subwoofer it would be helpful to have an
good idea how crazy one has to get to be sure of bass response that
satisfies both criteria.

It turns out that one doesn't need to bother with subwoofers in order to
experience the joys of bass reproduced well and in context if one can adapt
to headphone listening. IME the following relatively inexpensive headphones
provide a worthwhile initiation into the experience of listening to low bass
sounds reproduced reasonably well:

Sony EX-70 ear buds
Sony MDR 7506 headphones
Sennheiser HD-580 headphones

I suspect that Etymotic ER-4 and ER-6 ear buds are at least as good as any
of these. Likewise with the Shure E2 and E5 personal hearing devices.

Of course, being headphones, YMMV.

Arny Krueger lies again:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


As for RAHE, it is practically devoid of subjective audio opinion, as
a few of Krueger's more rational, but equally zealous colleagues,
have tried to monopolize its content with neverending dogma about
double blind tests and the crimes of the Evil High End Establishment.

Notice that Richman has finally had a major brain update and now admits that
I have colleagues. This contradicts his former claims about me not having
any support in Usenet.


And once again, compulsive liar Krueger, in all his glorius stupidity, tries to
sell his unique brand of 100% bull**** to the RAO readership. He's lying
again, of course. I haven't claimed that he hasn't any support in Usenet. In
fact, in his effort to lie some more about what I've said, compulsive liar
Krueger, in his stupidity, seems to believe that I monitor "Usenet" - whatever
that is.

Please enlighten us, genius Krueger, what is Usenet? Do you really expect
anybody to believe that either I or anybody else monitors all your loathsome,
compulsive lying across all the NGs that you habitually polute?

Even compulsive liars and libelers like Krueger have supporters, and I've
frequently identified them - e.g. a cowardly cretin calling himself
"torresists" and a bvaindead idiot named McKelvy who loyally parrots whatever
you say.



To his credit, one of the RAHE moderators, appears to have finally
called for a halt to the repetitive, mind-numbing repetition of
anti-individual-preference, anti-subjective-opinion attacks that have
dominated that NG.

Actually, I'm quite proud of myself. My best anti-preference post of all
time was accepted for posting and appears below:


deletion of boring, rambling, drivel about subwoofers and headphones fhat
simply lists products by names but never claims that any one product is better
than any other

Krueger's attempt at sarcasm doesn't appear to have been very successful.

The self-serving minutia that Krueger tried to pass off as indicating a
prefernce (by use of sarcasm) simply exhibited that he can list certain
products by name and model. Of course, no comparisons were made to indicate
that he thought any product sounded better or worse than any other.

And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has submitted to
RAHE which have attacked the statements of others because of their preference
for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming that they prefer the sound of one product
to another. The RAHE moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the
statements but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.



Bruce J. Richman

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming that
they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE moderators
will allow this to be posted as long as the statements but not the
person making them are the only things being attacked. IOW, no
personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy defender of
golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get posting of ideas he
disagrees with even when they don't attack people. On RAHE posts attacking
me personally go through, but attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of
the moderators get cancelled.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:54:58 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy defender of
golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get posting of ideas he
disagrees with even when they don't attack people. On RAHE posts attacking
me personally go through, but attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of
the moderators get cancelled.

Aw, shucks. And the amount of times you've told people to shut up
whining about having their RAHE posts rejected.

--
Thine

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:46:44 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Aw, shucks. And the amount of times you've told people to shut up
whining about having their RAHE posts rejected.

Prove it.

Shut your face, ****.

--
Thine

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:21:47 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Oh yes, that lovely name-calling, prized in middle school yards the world
over.

You disapprove of name-calling, do you? Are you *sure* about that?

Besides, I'm not calling you a name, ****, I'm just describing what
you are.

--
Thine

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming that
they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE moderators
will allow this to be posted as long as the statements but not the
person making them are the only things being attacked. IOW, no
personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy defender of
golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get posting of ideas he
disagrees with even when they don't attack people. On RAHE posts attacking
me personally go through, but attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of
the moderators get cancelled.











Prove it!

Krueger has offered no evidence to support his false claim that one of the RAHE
moderators supports subjective viewpoints and/or posters only.

While Krueger complains about posts attacking him personally being allowed by
RAHE moderators (or perhaps one of them), he predictably fails to admit that
personal attacks he has leveled against other RAHE posters, including myself,
have also been allowed on occasion by the RAHE moderators.

RAHE moderators, like the moderators of any Usenet NG, have a tough, thankless
job. Unfortunately, prejudiced zealots like Krueger, who oppose any and all
moderation, will always be the first to try and smear them with false,
unsubstantiated claims of unfair treatment.

Krueger has once again demonstrated, in this post, his ever-increasing paranoid
delusional system. So now, not only is the "Evil High End Establishment" and
Stereophile conspiring against him, but also the RAHE moderators as well.

What will be his next conspiracy theory?

Stay tuned for his latest delusions.


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And once again, compulsive liar Krueger, in all his glorius (sic)
stupidity, tries to sell his unique brand of 100% bull**** to the RAO
readership. He's lying again, of course.

Please enlighten us, genius Krueger, what is Usenet? Do you really
expect anybody to believe that either I or anybody else monitors all
your loathsome, compulsive lying across all the NGs that you
habitually polute (sic)?

I believe that there's plenty of evidence that people like John Atkinson log
onto Google Groups pretty much daily, do a retrieval on author :Arny author
:Krueger, and take it from there...


Only in your paranoid, delusioinal fantasy world. Prove that any of your
crapola above is true.


Even compulsive liars and libelers like Krueger have supporters, and
I've frequently identified them - e.g. a cowardly cretin calling
himself "torresists" and a bvaindead (sic) idiot named McKelvy who loyally
parrots whatever you say.

deletion of boring, rambling, drivel about subwoofers and headphones
fhat(sic) simply lists products by names but never claims that any one
product is better than any other


deletion of Krueger's latest attempts at libel, character assassination
required since they just waste bandwidth and are of no interest to any but his
small, 2-person team of emotional cripples calling themselves "tor" and
"McKelvy"


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
Bruce J. Richman

"Lived EHT" wrote in message
n.net
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:21:47 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Oh yes, that lovely name-calling, prized in middle school yards the
world over.

You disapprove of name-calling, do you?

If you want to melt down in public, be my guest.

Are you *sure* about that?

I'm not sure about anything related to you, Graham.

Besides, I'm not calling you a name, ****, I'm just describing what you
are.

Graham since you show lots of signs of being scared to death of adult
females, I don't know exactly what to make of your "****" thing.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming
that they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE
moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the statements
but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with even when they don't attack
people. On RAHE posts attacking me personally go through, but
attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of the moderators get
cancelled.

Prove it!

You can find it all at this URL: www.google.com .

Krueger has offered no evidence to support his false claim that one
of the RAHE moderators supports subjective viewpoints and/or posters
only.

Since I didn't say that, this would be an irrelevant comment.

While Krueger complains about posts attacking him personally being
allowed by RAHE moderators (or perhaps one of them), he predictably
fails to admit that personal attacks he has leveled against other
RAHE posters, including myself, have also been allowed on occasion by
the RAHE moderators.

Prove it with a specific example.

RAHE moderators, like the moderators of any Usenet NG, have a tough,
thankless job. Unfortunately, prejudiced zealots like Krueger, who
oppose any and all moderation, will always be the first to try and
smear them with false, unsubstantiated claims of unfair treatment.

Wrong Richman. I'm in favor of moderation that's fair. If there's a problem
with my post, let it be returned with a comment so I can correct it. But I
get back so many posts with no specific comments, there's really not a lot
that I can do.

Krueger has once again demonstrated, in this post, his
ever-increasing paranoid delusional system.

Given that Richman claimed facts not in evidence, we can safely consider
this another one of his delusional comments.

So now, not only is the
"Evil High End Establishment" and Stereophile conspiring against him,
but also the RAHE moderators as well.

The (s) would be another fabrication of Richman's delusional mind.

What will be his next conspiracy theory?

I think there may be a conspiracy to finally give you a brain Richman, but I
could be wrong.

Stay tuned for his latest delusions.

Given the delusions of Richman evidenced in his reply to me, well should
anybody trust his judgment?

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And once again, compulsive liar Krueger, in all his glorius (sic)
stupidity, tries to sell his unique brand of 100% bull**** to the
RAO readership. He's lying again, of course.

Please enlighten us, genius Krueger, what is Usenet? Do you really
expect anybody to believe that either I or anybody else monitors all
your loathsome, compulsive lying across all the NGs that you
habitually polute (sic)?

I believe that there's plenty of evidence that people like John
Atkinson log onto Google Groups pretty much daily, do a retrieval on
author :Arny author
Krueger, and take it from there...

Only in your paranoid, delusioinal fantasy world.

Richman, why is that you have such a time writing the word delusional?
Perhaps your fingers start shaking

Prove that any of your crapola above is true.

Google shows a significant period of time where Atkinson quoted and numbered
every post I made that mentioned him. Care to explain why doing what I said,
or something very much like it would not explain how that came to be?

Even compulsive liars and libelers like Krueger have supporters, and
I've frequently identified them - e.g. a cowardly cretin calling
himself "torresists" and a bvaindead (sic) idiot named McKelvy who
loyally parrots whatever you say.

deletion of boring, rambling, drivel about subwoofers and
headphones fhat(sic) simply lists products by names but never
claims that any one product is better than any other

I think this post presents the essence of Dr. Bruce (Whips And Chains R Us
Psychological Services) Richman very well.

Notice Richman's complete focus on his rage and hatred, and 100% deletion of
audio opinions that he disagrees with.

deletion of Krueger's latest attempts at libel, character
assassination required since they just waste bandwidth and are of no
interest to any but his small, 2-person team of emotional cripples
calling themselves "tor" and "McKelvy"

Frankly Richman, I have no contact with either of them other than reading
their posts on RAO. So there's no team, no matter what your paranoid mind
might tell you.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:29:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming
that they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE
moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the statements
but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with even when they don't attack
people. On RAHE posts attacking me personally go through, but
attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of the moderators get
cancelled.

Prove it!

You can find it all at this URL: www.google.com .

From Arnold:

" And you've posted this information where, sockpuppet North?

http://www.google.com/

Sockpuppet North takes the coward's way out!

Gosh, why am I not surprised?

Thanks sockpuppet North for showing your consummate cowardice again
and again".

Thanks to you Arnold for showing your consummate cowardice again and
again.

It's like bobbing for ducks in a barrel

(mixed metaphor in honor of Arnold Krueger)

Arny Krueger wrote:


Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming
that they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE
moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the statements
but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with even when they don't attack
people. On RAHE posts attacking me personally go through, but
attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of the moderators get
cancelled.

Prove it!

You can find it all at this URL: www.google.com .

One can also find there concrete evidence of the personal attacks that Krueger
has made against me and many others on RAHE.




Krueger has offered no evidence to support his false claim that one
of the RAHE moderators supports subjective viewpoints and/or posters
only.

Since I didn't say that, this would be an irrelevant comment.


A false and deliberately misleading evaluation of what I have said. Krueger
said the following:

"one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with"

Obviously, Krueger has lied here. He has provided no evidence that any RAHE
moderator is a defender of "golden ears" - Krueger's frequent derisive term for
those that favor subjective evaluation and individual preferences.


While Krueger complains about posts attacking him personally being
allowed by RAHE moderators (or perhaps one of them), he predictably
fails to admit that personal attacks he has leveled against other
RAHE posters, including myself, have also been allowed on occasion by
the RAHE moderators.

Prove it with a specific example.

The evidence is readily accessible at www.google.com, and is a matter of public
record. You have failed to provide any proof that one of the moderators shows
favoritism towards posters with subjective opinions and or individual
preferences. If anything, the current content at RAHE could lead readers to
suppose the opposite is taking place - namely, a tendency to let in more
anti-subjective-opinion, anti-preference posts from double blind test zealots.
However, most rational individuals who don't share your paranoid conspiracy
theories, don't go around accusing RAHE moderators of favoritism. Only you do
that. LOL!


RAHE moderators, like the moderators of any Usenet NG, have a tough,
thankless job. Unfortunately, prejudiced zealots like Krueger, who
oppose any and all moderation, will always be the first to try and
smear them with false, unsubstantiated claims of unfair treatment.

Wrong Richman. I'm in favor of moderation that's fair. If there's a problem
with my post, let it be returned with a comment so I can correct it. But I
get back so many posts with no specific comments, there's really not a lot
that I can do.


That is a lie, Krueger. The Google record clearly shows that when discussions
about moderation have appeared on RAO, you have been the fist to libel, smear,
defame and lie about both those posts and the people posting them. One of your
favorite conspiracy theories most recently when this subject has been brought
up is that a group of moderators perhaps sharing some of my views would
deliberately censor your posts. Of course, nothing could be further from the
truth, paranoia-breath. I have neither the time nor inclination to be a
moderator for a version of RAO, moderated (i.e. RAM). My only purpose in
proposing it is to prevent proven compulsive liars and libelers like yourself
from engaging in personal attacks on the many others with whom you disagree.
Your real problems with RAHE have nothing to do with favoritism - they have to
do with your documented opposition to moderation.

As for your false claims abvout posts being returned to you without specific
comments - this is too is both revealing and deceptive at the same time.

You have said above:

"But I
get back so many posts with no specific comments, there's really not a lot
that I can do."

If you were not constantly trying to sneak personal attacks upon others through
on RAHE, you wouldn't get so many posts returned to you. Obviously, the
moderators don't have time to suggest the proper corrections that you need to
make.
Equally obvious is your long documented history of practically never admitting
that you have lied and/or libeled another person or deliberately misrepresented
what they have said through selective deletions when quoting them. The
moderators, since they have, by your own admission, returned "so many posts" to
you, that they logically and correctly know that you may know how to correct
them, but because of your agenda and hate-driven paranoia, usually won't do so.

While I don't expect either Dr. Bath or Dr. Dreyer to comment about these
matters on RAO, I would not be surprised to find out that you have had more
posts returned to you by the RAHE moderators because of personal attacks
against others than any other poster. And before you try and use the lame
excuse that you post more there than many others, let's consider this
hypothesis - It is highly probable that Krueger has had a greater PERCENTAGE of
his total posts returned to him by the RAHE moderators because of personal
attacks upon others than any other poster on RAHE.


Krueger has once again demonstrated, in this post, his
ever-increasing paranoid delusional system.

Given that Richman claimed facts not in evidence, we can safely consider
this another one of his delusional comments.


This of course is just another false claim by the compulsive liar and libeler,
Krueger. His use of the pronoun, "we" has not been shown to incluide more than
3 people of the total that post on RAO - (1) compulsive liar Krueger, (2) an
anonymous coward calling himself "torresists" who hopes to engratiate himself
with c-l-K by mimicing his libelous false claims, and (3) a braindead bigot
named McKelvy, whose role models are c-l-K and the late Senator Joe McCarthy.

The Goggle record clearly substantiates what I have said about Krueger: (1) his
documented opposition, defamation and lies about posters and posts dealing with
a moderated version of RAO, and (2) his personal attacks against both myself
and other posters on RAHE which have been allowed by the RAHE moderaors.



So now, not only is the
"Evil High End Establishment" and Stereophile conspiring against him,
but also the RAHE moderators as well.

The (s) would be another fabrication of Richman's delusional mind.


Another lie from the compulsive liar, Krueger. The Google record has recently
shown that Krueger has accused John Atkinson of Stereophile of possibly paying
people that post on RAO to post personal attacks against him. The Google
record also clearly shows that Krueger has frequently attacked equipment
manufacturers (especially those manufacturing analog equipment and tubed
electronics), audiophile equipment dealers, and of course, individuals that
might buy audiophile products.



What will be his next conspiracy theory?





remainder of Krueger's personal attacks deleted since they represent nothing
more than his usual attempt to spread disinformation and lies about others


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
I believe that there's plenty of evidence that people like John Atkinson
log onto Google Groups pretty much daily, do a retrieval on author :Arny
author :Krueger, and take it from there...

I grow weary of your sick little fantasy world Mr. Krueger, filled as it is
with absurd conspiracy theories and paranoid thoughts like your statement
above.

No, there is no evidence that I do this, nor do I do this. All that I
once did was, during the period you were supposed not to be mentioning my
name was to search for postings in which you broke your word and did so.
Even then, however, I used groups.google.com to search on _my_ name.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

Arny Krueger lies again:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And once again, compulsive liar Krueger, in all his glorius (sic)
stupidity, tries to sell his unique brand of 100% bull**** to the
RAO readership. He's lying again, of course.

Please enlighten us, genius Krueger, what is Usenet? Do you really
expect anybody to believe that either I or anybody else monitors all
your loathsome, compulsive lying across all the NGs that you
habitually polute (sic)?

I believe that there's plenty of evidence that people like John
Atkinson log onto Google Groups pretty much daily, do a retrieval on
author :Arny author
Krueger, and take it from there...

Only in your paranoid, delusioinal fantasy world.

Richman, why is that you have such a time writing the word delusional?
Perhaps your fingers start shaking


Krueger, why is it that you obsess about the typographical errors of others,
but constantly exhibit spelling problems, sentences that are incomrephensible
because of words you've either left out or butchered? Could it be that (a)
your stupidity just prevents you from doing any better, or (b) your anxiety,
hatred, and paranoia just exacerbates your painfully obvious cognitive
deficits? I'll give you hint - try "all of the above".


Prove that any of your crapola above is true.

Google shows a significant period of time where Atkinson quoted and numbered
every post I made that mentioned him. Care to explain why doing what I said,
or something very much like it would not explain how that came to be?


Prove it. Reproduce the posts along with the dates involved. And since you
have claimed that he or others monitor "Usenet", not just RAO, prove that he
has been counting your posts on other NGs as well as RAO.



Even compulsive liars and libelers like Krueger have supporters, and
I've frequently identified them - e.g. a cowardly cretin calling
himself "torresists" and a bvaindead (sic) idiot named McKelvy who
loyally parrots whatever you say.

deletion of boring, rambling, drivel about subwoofers and
headphones fhat(sic) simply lists products by names but never
claims that any one product is better than any other


deletion of Krueger's repetitive attempts to spread more disinformation
through his usual paranoia-riddled character assassination and libel


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

Bruce J. Richman said:

Indeed it is. When I looked up the word, hypocrite, in the dictionary, I found
Krueger's picture beside it. It also said - "for synonyms, see McKelvy".

Really? That's a bit surprising. It makes me wonder whose picture they
have under "slope-brow pigheaded asshole".

Arny Krueger lies some mo


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


deletion of boring, rambling, drivel about subwoofers and headphones
fhat simply lists products by names but never claims that any one
product is better than any other

Richman is obviously so poorly-informed about headphones that he thinks that
a list of three (3) products amounts to the entirety of all products that
exist in the category of headphones.


LOL! Another ridiculous lie by Krueger. Obviously, this compulsive liar is
clearly delusional since he clings to the irrational & unrealistic belief that
anybody, including me, considers 3 headphone models to comprise the total
available. Krueger also insults all of RAO's readers by trying to sell this
imbecilic notion.

The lies just keep flowing from this delusional, paranoia-driven sociopath who
regularly insults the intelligence of RAO readers by making ridiculous claims
about my beliefs such as the one above.



Otherwise, Richman would know that this short list (3 items) from virtually
1,000s of different makes and models of headphones indicates that I think
they are better for the stated purpose than any others.


Another lie. If compulsive liar Krueger thought they were better than other
models, he should have explicitly stated this fact. Obviously, as his rambling
drivel clearly shows, he wouldn't do this and couldn't do this. Why? Answer:
Because stating a preference for any product would conflict with his well known
anti-individual-preference, anti-subjective-opinion propaganda with which he
regular pollutes RAO postings.



Furthermore we see that the Richman judges RAO posts solely on whether or
not there is a claim that one product is better than any other.

This, of course, is yet another Krueger delusional fabrication. There is no
evidence presented by compulsive liar Krueger that I judge posts this way. The
false claim by Krueger above is just another failed attempt by this delusional
liar to spread disinformation.



Regrettably,
if we apply this criteria to Richman's own posts, we see that almost all of
his posts, including the one I'm responding to, are immediately
disqualified.


Since Krueger's premise has been easily shown to be false and without any
evidence to support it, his delusional conclusion above is equally without any
credibility or merit.




deletion of rest of Krueger's incomprehensible rantings and ravings


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

John Atkinson said to **** of ****s:

No, there is no evidence that I do this, nor do I do this. All that I
once did was, during the period you were supposed not to be mentioning my
name was to search for postings in which you broke your word and did so.
Even then, however, I used groups.google.com to search on _my_ name.

Presumably you also searched on the Krooglish variants, e.g. Aktinson,
Atkinssen, etc. Probably took you a little while.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming
that they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE
moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the statements
but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with even when they don't attack
people. On RAHE posts attacking me personally go through, but
attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of the moderators get
cancelled.

Prove it!

You can find it all at this URL: www.google.com .

One can also find there concrete evidence of the personal attacks
that Krueger has made against me and many others on RAHE.




Krueger has offered no evidence to support his false claim that one
of the RAHE moderators supports subjective viewpoints and/or posters
only.

Since I didn't say that, this would be an irrelevant comment.


A false and deliberately misleading evaluation of what I have said.
Krueger said the following:

"one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with"

Obviously, Krueger has lied here.

No, the problem here is that you can't read Richman.

I didn't say "only".

He has provided no evidence that
any RAHE moderator is a defender of "golden ears" - Krueger's
frequent derisive term for those that favor subjective evaluation and
individual preferences.

Prove that "golden ears" is a term used as derisive term for those that
favor subjective evaluation and
individual preferences.

While Krueger complains about posts attacking him personally being
allowed by RAHE moderators (or perhaps one of them), he predictably
fails to admit that personal attacks he has leveled against other
RAHE posters, including myself, have also been allowed on occasion
by the RAHE moderators.

Prove it with a specific example.

The evidence is readily accessible at www.google.com, and is a matter
of public record. You have failed to provide any proof that one of
the moderators shows favoritism towards posters with subjective
opinions and or individual preferences.

That's not you claimed I have failed to do, Richman. Learn to read your own
posts, will you?

If anything, the current
content at RAHE could lead readers to suppose the opposite is taking
place - namely, a tendency to let in more anti-subjective-opinion,
anti-preference posts from double blind test zealots.

Since DBT testing relates only to subjective testing, it's clear that you
don't know what you are talking about Richman.

However, most
rational individuals who don't share your paranoid conspiracy
theories, don't go around accusing RAHE moderators of favoritism.
Only you do that. LOL!

Prove that other people's posts are being rejected as often and
out-of-conformance with RAHE posting standards.

RAHE moderators, like the moderators of any Usenet NG, have a tough,
thankless job. Unfortunately, prejudiced zealots like Krueger, who
oppose any and all moderation, will always be the first to try and
smear them with false, unsubstantiated claims of unfair treatment.

Wrong Richman. I'm in favor of moderation that's fair. If there's a
problem with my post, let it be returned with a comment so I can
correct it. But I get back so many posts with no specific comments,
there's really not a lot that I can do.

That is a lie, Krueger.

Prove it with specific examples.

The Google record clearly shows that when
discussions about moderation have appeared on RAO, you have been the
fist to libel, smear, defame and lie about both those posts and the
people posting them.

Prove it with specific examples.

One of your favorite conspiracy theories most
recently when this subject has been brought up is that a group of
moderators perhaps sharing some of my views would deliberately censor
your posts.

Show where I've talked about a group of moderators (i.e., more than one
person).

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth,
paranoia-breath. I have neither the time nor inclination to be a
moderator for a version of RAO, moderated (i.e. RAM). My only
purpose in proposing it is to prevent proven compulsive liars and
libelers like yourself from engaging in personal attacks on the many
others with whom you disagree. Your real problems with RAHE have
nothing to do with favoritism - they have to do with your documented
opposition to moderation.

Wrong again, Richman. I have been against turning RAO into a group that was
moderated by a self-appointed group of thugs such as yourself. Apparently
Usenet's management agreed with me, since it didn't happen. They did set up
another unmoderated Usenet group to address the problem they saw, notably a
newsgroup I've participated in a whole lot more than you have.


As for your false claims about posts being returned to you without
specific comments - this is too is both revealing and deceptive at
the same time.

You have said above:

"But I
get back so many posts with no specific comments, there's really not
a lot that I can do."

If you were not constantly trying to sneak personal attacks upon
others through on RAHE, you wouldn't get so many posts returned to
you.

Prove that my posts attempt to sneak personal attacks through RAHE's
moderating system, Richman.

In several cases I've forwarded the rejected posts to the person I was
responding to and they saw no problems with the post.


Obviously, the moderators don't have time to suggest the proper
corrections that you need to make.

I believe that good form requires that they do so.

Equally obvious is your long documented history of practically never
admitting that you have lied and/or libeled another person or
deliberately misrepresented what they have said through selective
deletions when quoting them.

False and irrelevant.

The moderators, since they have, by
your own admission, returned "so many posts" to you, that they
logically and correctly know that you may know how to correct them,
but because of your agenda and hate-driven paranoia, usually won't do
so.

Since you're talking about "moderators", and my comments have clearly
related to a certain moderator, its clear that you don't know what you are
talking about, Richman.

While I don't expect either Dr. Bath or Dr. Dreyer to comment about
these matters on RAO, I would not be surprised to find out that you
have had more posts returned to you by the RAHE moderators because of
personal attacks against others than any other poster.

Prove it.

And before
you try and use the lame excuse that you post more there than many
others, let's consider this hypothesis - It is highly probable that
Krueger has had a greater PERCENTAGE of his total posts returned to
him by the RAHE moderators because of personal attacks upon others
than any other poster on RAHE.

Prove it.

Krueger has once again demonstrated, in this post, his
ever-increasing paranoid delusional system.

Given that Richman claimed facts not in evidence, we can safely
consider this another one of his delusional comments.

This of course is just another false claim by the compulsive liar and
libeler, Krueger. His use of the pronoun, "we" has not been shown to
include more than 3 people of the total that post on RAO - (1)
compulsive liar Krueger, (2) an anonymous coward calling himself
"torresists" who hopes to engratiate himself with c-l-K by mimicing
his libelous false claims, and (3) a braindead bigot named McKelvy,
whose role models are c-l-K and the late Senator Joe McCarthy.

Since you've presumed considerably more facts not in evidence Richman, its
safe to say that the depth of your delusions is increasing as we discuss
this matter.

The Goggle record clearly substantiates what I have said about
Krueger: (1) his documented opposition, defamation and lies about
posters and posts dealing with a moderated version of RAO, and (2)
his personal attacks against both myself and other posters on RAHE
which have been allowed by the RAHE moderaors.

Prove it with a specific retrieval, Richman.

So now, not only is the
"Evil High End Establishment" and Stereophile conspiring against
him, but also the RAHE moderators as well.

The (s) would be another fabrication of Richman's delusional mind.

Another lie from the compulsive liar, Krueger. The Google record has
recently shown that Krueger has accused John Atkinson of Stereophile
of possibly paying people that post on RAO to post personal attacks
against him.

And of course he'd come right out and admit it if it were true.

The Google record also clearly shows that Krueger has
frequently attacked equipment manufacturers (especially those
manufacturing analog equipment and tubed electronics), audiophile
equipment dealers, and of course, individuals that might buy
audiophile products.

So what?

What will be his next conspiracy theory?

remainder of Krueger's personal attacks deleted since they represent
nothing more than his usual attempt to spread disinformation and lies
about others

Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

Proof that Richman is so insecure that he can't post without waving his
alleged credentials in everybody's face.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:39:46 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Obviously, Krueger has lied here.

No, the problem here is that you can't read Richman.

I assume that this is a new language, perhaps akin to Krooglish. Could
it be a regional variant, or is it just a dead-end dialect?

In any case, I'll have to say that I can't read Richman either.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:41:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
. com
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
I believe that there's plenty of evidence that people like John
Atkinson log onto Google Groups pretty much daily, do a retrieval on
author :Arny author :Krueger, and take it from there...

I grow weary of your sick little fantasy world Mr. Krueger, filled as
it is with absurd conspiracy theories and paranoid thoughts like your
statement above.

No, there is no evidence that I do this, nor do I do this.

Explain how you numbered every post I made that mentioned you over a period
of time, Atkinson.

After you explain why you were trolling him during that period.

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for you to post your social security
number.

chuckle

All that I
once did was, during the period you were supposed not to be
mentioning my name was to search for postings in which you broke your
word and did so. Even then, however, I used groups.google.com to
search on _my_ name.

Well pardon me Atkinson for presuming that you understood how to use Google
search tools in a competent way.

Coming from someone who has shown himself unable to properly use
search engines, this is quite a hoot!

L0OL!
LOtt?s!

Arny Krueger wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger offers another conspiracy theory:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message


And of course, he neglects to mention the many posts that he has
submitted to RAHE which have attacked the statements of others
because of their preference for tubes, vinyl, or simply claiming
that they prefer the sound of one product to another. The RAHE
moderators will allow this to be posted as long as the statements
but not the person making them are the only things being attacked.
IOW, no personal attacks, as determined by the RAHE moderators.

Given that one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with even when they don't attack
people. On RAHE posts attacking me personally go through, but
attacks on certain cherished beliefs of one of the moderators get
cancelled.

Prove it!

You can find it all at this URL: www.google.com .

One can also find there concrete evidence of the personal attacks
that Krueger has made against me and many others on RAHE.




Krueger has offered no evidence to support his false claim that one
of the RAHE moderators supports subjective viewpoints and/or posters
only.

Since I didn't say that, this would be an irrelevant comment.


A false and deliberately misleading evaluation of what I have said.
Krueger said the following:

"one of the RAHE moderators styles himself as proxy
defender of golden ears, it's getting harder and harder to get
posting of ideas he disagrees with"

Obviously, Krueger has lied here.

No, the problem here is that you can't read Richman.

I didn't say "only".

He has provided no evidence that
any RAHE moderator is a defender of "golden ears" - Krueger's
frequent derisive term for those that favor subjective evaluation and
individual preferences.

Prove that "golden ears" is a term used as derisive term for those that
favor subjective evaluation and
individual preferences.


The Google record proves it. All any reader has to do is look up your use of
the term in conjunction with your personal attacks against those expressive
various subjective opinions.


While Krueger complains about posts attacking him personally being
allowed by RAHE moderators (or perhaps one of them), he predictably
fails to admit that personal attacks he has leveled against other
RAHE posters, including myself, have also been allowed on occasion
by the RAHE moderators.

Prove it with a specific example.

The evidence is readily accessible at www.google.com, and is a matter
of public record. You have failed to provide any proof that one of
the moderators shows favoritism towards posters with subjective
opinions and or individual preferences.

That's not you claimed I have failed to do, Richman. Learn to read your own
posts, will you?


Learn to write comprehensive English sentences, not Krooglish in which
butchering of the English language takes place. Please define the Krooglish
contained in the foillowing words which you just spewed:

"That's not you claimed"

Have you been taking elocution lessons from duh-Mikey? Or perhaps, your fear
and rage has simply overcome you? Take your time, Krueger. You have plenty of
it to waste, I'm quite sure.


If anything, the current
content at RAHE could lead readers to suppose the opposite is taking
place - namely, a tendency to let in more anti-subjective-opinion,
anti-preference posts from double blind test zealots.

Since DBT testing relates only to subjective testing, it's clear that you
don't know what you are talking about Richman.


It's clear that you are full of it, Krueger. My reference above was to double
blind testing zealots such as yourself, not not double blind testing, per se.
The RAHE posting record clearly indicates that for Krueger and a few others,
the ongoing arguments about double blind testing are simply a means to try and
monopolize that NG with derogatory and at times defamatory information about
those who happen to favor the rights of individuals to express their individual
preferences and subjective opinions about various audio products. The record
also clearly shows that most of the content on RAHE at the present time
consists of posts from these zealots.


However, most
rational individuals who don't share your paranoid conspiracy
theories, don't go around accusing RAHE moderators of favoritism.
Only you do that. LOL!

Prove that other people's posts are being rejected as often and
out-of-conformance with RAHE posting standards.


Prove that your rejected posts meet RAHE posting standards and have been
unfairly rejected.


RAHE moderators, like the moderators of any Usenet NG, have a tough,
thankless job. Unfortunately, prejudiced zealots like Krueger, who
oppose any and all moderation, will always be the first to try and
smear them with false, unsubstantiated claims of unfair treatment.

Wrong Richman. I'm in favor of moderation that's fair. If there's a
problem with my post, let it be returned with a comment so I can
correct it. But I get back so many posts with no specific comments,
there's really not a lot that I can do.

That is a lie, Krueger.

Prove it with specific examples.


See www.Google.com for many examples of Krueger's anti-moderation personal
attacks against me and others who have discussed this subject on RAO.


The Google record clearly shows that when
discussions about moderation have appeared on RAO, you have been the
fist to libel, smear, defame and lie about both those posts and the
people posting them.

Prove it with specific examples.


See www.Google.com for many examples of Krueger's anti-moderation personal
attacks against me and others who have discussed this subject on RAO


One of your favorite conspiracy theories most
recently when this subject has been brought up is that a group of
moderators perhaps sharing some of my views would deliberately censor
your posts.

Show where I've talked about a group of moderators (i.e., more than one
person).


See www.Google.com for many examples of Krueger's anti-moderation personal
attacks against me and others who have discussed this subject on RAO



Of course, nothing could be further from the truth,
paranoia-breath. I have neither the time nor inclination to be a
moderator for a version of RAO, moderated (i.e. RAM). My only
purpose in proposing it is to prevent proven compulsive liars and
libelers like yourself from engaging in personal attacks on the many
others with whom you disagree. Your real problems with RAHE have
nothing to do with favoritism - they have to do with your documented
opposition to moderation.

Wrong again, Richman. I have been against turning RAO into a group that was
moderated by a self-appointed group of thugs such as yourself.

You've just proven my point above, idiot. Now people won't even have to go to
the Google record. You really are a complete fool and ignoramus.

LOL!



Apparently
Usenet's management agreed with me, since it didn't happen. They did set up
another unmoderated Usenet group to address the problem they saw, notably a
newsgroup I've participated in a whole lot more than you have.



Prove that Usenet's management agreed with you. You can't, compulsive liar
Krueger.

In point of fact, newsgroups are set up by people who go through a formal
series of discussions, proposals, and votes - not by some mythological "Usenet
management" that is a figment of your delusional imagination. Only after all
the above types of actions have been taken, does Usenet get involved in the
creation or disapproval of new newsgroups.

For those interested in the truth about how Usenet newsgroups are created, here
is the URL for an informative description:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/crea...sgroups/part1/



As for your false claims about posts being returned to you without
specific comments - this is too is both revealing and deceptive at
the same time.

You have said above:

"But I
get back so many posts with no specific comments, there's really not
a lot that I can do."

If you were not constantly trying to sneak personal attacks upon
others through on RAHE, you wouldn't get so many posts returned to
you.

Prove that my posts attempt to sneak personal attacks through RAHE's
moderating system, Richman.


Prove that you haven't complained, as I quoted you above, Krueger, about having
many posts returned to you by the RAHE moderators. Prove that you haven't
deliberately and repeatedly tried to post on RAHE with personal attacks known
to violate the RAHE posting criteria.



In several cases I've forwarded the rejected posts to the person I was
responding to and they saw no problems with the post.


Prove that you have done this, Krueger. Give the names of the people to whom
you have allegedly forwarded your rejected posts. Prove that they saw no
problems with your posts.

There is no reason for anybody to believe you, given your already admitted
record of having many posts returned to you by the RAHE moderators. Prove that
they were wrong in correctly rejecting your posts because of the personal
attacks you tried to get published on that newsgroup.





Obviously, the moderators don't have time to suggest the proper
corrections that you need to make.

I believe that good form requires that they do so.


Most of the posters who are familiar with RAHE posting guidelines, which you
claim to be, know better than that, it would appear. When an RAHE moderator
returns a post to you with a rather general instruction to avoid making
personal attacks or a claim that your present post contains material of a
personal attack nature, that is sufficient. Are you also going to lie again
and claim that the RAHE monitors have not instructed you to resubmit your post
after deleting the objectionable personal attack material?

No matter how you try and dissemble, lie, and play word games, Krueger, you've
indicted yourself. You've already admitted that you've had many RAHE posts
rejected and returned to you. Now, liar Krueger, prove that the posts that
were returned (1) did not give a reason for their rejection and (2) did not
advise you to resubmit them after making some revisions.


Equally obvious is your long documented history of practically never
admitting that you have lied and/or libeled another person or
deliberately misrepresented what they have said through selective
deletions when quoting them.

False and irrelevant.


Prove it. The Google record clearly shows that you have practically never
admitted lying about other people and have never admitted to deliberately
libeling them. That is just one of the many records that you are about to be
sued for libel by Mr. Wheeler and why many of us are probably lining up to
provide him with documentary supportive evidence and other types of assistance.


The Google record also contains many examples of your deliberate efforts to
misrepresent what others have said by quoting them out of context while
deleting relevant portions of what they have said in the same posts.



The moderators, since they have, by
your own admission, returned "so many posts" to you, that they
logically and correctly know that you may know how to correct them,
but because of your agenda and hate-driven paranoia, usually won't do
so.

Since you're talking about "moderators", and my comments have clearly
related to a certain moderator, its clear that you don't know what you are
talking about, Richman.


Another lie, Krueger. Prove that only one moderator has returned your posts
because of their objectionable personal attack information with which you have
attempted to smear and defame others posting on RAHE. Prove that you aren't
desperately and poorly trying to play semantic games to avoid the inescapable
fact that you have had many posts that you have submitted to RAHE rejected
because of personal attacks upon others.


While I don't expect either Dr. Bath or Dr. Dreyer to comment about
these matters on RAO, I would not be surprised to find out that you
have had more posts returned to you by the RAHE moderators because of
personal attacks against others than any other poster.

Prove it.


Prove that my hypothesis is not true.


And before
you try and use the lame excuse that you post more there than many
others, let's consider this hypothesis - It is highly probable that
Krueger has had a greater PERCENTAGE of his total posts returned to
him by the RAHE moderators because of personal attacks upon others
than any other poster on RAHE.

Prove it.


Disprove it.



Krueger has once again demonstrated, in this post, his
ever-increasing paranoid delusional system.

Given that Richman claimed facts not in evidence, we can safely
consider this another one of his delusional comments.

This of course is just another false claim by the compulsive liar and
libeler, Krueger. His use of the pronoun, "we" has not been shown to
include more than 3 people of the total that post on RAO - (1)
compulsive liar Krueger, (2) an anonymous coward calling himself
"torresists" who hopes to engratiate himself with c-l-K by mimicing
his libelous false claims, and (3) a braindead bigot named McKelvy,
whose role models are c-l-K and the late Senator Joe McCarthy.

Since you've presumed considerably more facts not in evidence Richman, its
safe to say that the depth of your delusions is increasing as we discuss
this matter.


Given your well documented tendency to engage in paranoid conspiracy theories
about audiophile manufacturers, audiophile magazine publishers, RAHE
moderators, and many other groups of people, your ability to evaluate the
mental status of others has no credibility whatsoever. Many of the people who
post here regularly have come to similar conclusions about your lack of contact
with reality.


The Goggle record clearly substantiates what I have said about
Krueger: (1) his documented opposition, defamation and lies about
posters and posts dealing with a moderated version of RAO, and (2)
his personal attacks against both myself and other posters on RAHE
which have been allowed by the RAHE moderaors.

Prove it with a specific retrieval, Richman.


The Google record has proved it, Krueger.

Your attempts to steer people away from RAO, and misrepresent RAHE as a
moderated equivalent of RAO are a matter of public record.



So now, not only is the
"Evil High End Establishment" and Stereophile conspiring against
him, but also the RAHE moderators as well.

The (s) would be another fabrication of Richman's delusional mind.

Another lie from the compulsive liar, Krueger. The Google record has
recently shown that Krueger has accused John Atkinson of Stereophile
of possibly paying people that post on RAO to post personal attacks
against him.

And of course he'd come right out and admit it if it were true.


Prove that your delusional, paranoid accusations against Mr. Atkinson have any
basis in fact.



The Google record also clearly shows that Krueger has
frequently attacked equipment manufacturers (especially those
manufacturing analog equipment and tubed electronics), audiophile
equipment dealers, and of course, individuals that might buy
audiophile products.

So what?


Further evidence that your own set of anti-idividual-preference,
anti-subjective-opinion prejudices impels you to engage in personal attacks
against people who endorse or particpate in these categories.


What will be his next conspiracy theory?

remainder of Krueger's personal attacks deleted since they represent
nothing more than his usual attempt to spread disinformation and lies
about others

Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

Proof that Richman is so insecure that he can't post without waving his
alleged credentials in everybody's face.



Another lie from Krueger. As already explained, my signing my name this way,
at this time, is simply motivated by the fact that Mr. Scott Wheeler is
currently pursuing a libel suit against Krueger. Since Krueger has frequently
libeled me as well, I intend to supply as much supportive documentary evidence
as possible to assist Mr. Wheeler in his jusitifable legal actions against
Krueger.
I fully antici[pate that several others will also join this very worthwhile
effort.

The Google record will also clearly prove that I have normally signed by name
without any degree or title after it during a 6-year-plus history of posting on
RAO.


Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

Dave Weil wrote:


On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:39:46 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Obviously, Krueger has lied here.

No, the problem here is that you can't read Richman.

I assume that this is a new language, perhaps akin to Krooglish. Could
it be a regional variant, or is it just a dead-end dialect?

In any case, I'll have to say that I can't read Richman either.








LOL!

Apparently, I'm the subject of one of Krueger's delusional, paranoid
obsessions.

Perhaps McKelvy can teach Krueger how to make simple.



Bruce J. Richman