I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD

Superbaddawg wrote:
I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD

They are considered entry-level. They are generally low-end components
and mostly frowned upon by serious car audio enthusiasts. Yes they are
cheap, but that is for a reason. They use lower grade/quality parts and
dont perform nearly as well as other brands in only a slightly higher
price range. I say save your money and buy something worthwile. Invest
in something high quality that you wont end up replacing or be
unsatisfied with after purchase. Just so you know Pyle/Lanzar/Blitz
Audio/Legacy are all the same company and use the same parts. The only
line that you might want to consider is Lanzar's Opti-Drive series if
you want something low-priced and high quality.

EFFENDI

Good chance your stock speakers may sound better


On 30 Mar 2004 22:25:20 -0800, (Superbaddawg) wrote:

I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD

wrote:

Good chance your stock speakers may sound better


On 30 Mar 2004 22:25:20 -0800, (Superbaddawg) wrote:


I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD



Good chance for sure. Pyle is ****. I should have just have said it before.

Kids, dont miss any opportunity that comes your way.

EFFENDI

They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective upgrade
of stock speakers.

--
Mark
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"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Good chance your stock speakers may sound better


On 30 Mar 2004 22:25:20 -0800, (Superbaddawg) wrote:


I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD



Good chance for sure. Pyle is ****. I should have just have said it
before.

Kids, dont miss any opportunity that comes your way.

EFFENDI

MZ wrote:
They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective upgrade
of stock speakers.


I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

EFFENDI

Then again how many of us "Every day smo's" factory sound systems are
located in a Bmw? Lol, more like the ol' chevy, dodge, or ford you know?
Which in some cases I believe they could be better than stock..

Older cars sounded like they had metal flaps banging together to make
"Music" in which case I think theyed be better.

Buckshot

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
MZ wrote:
They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective
upgrade
of stock speakers.


I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

EFFENDI

You mentioned the Lanzar's Opti-Drive series. I am finding the amps
online, but not the speakers. Any decent online sources (google seems to be
failing me today !)

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
Superbaddawg wrote:
I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD

They are considered entry-level. They are generally low-end components
and mostly frowned upon by serious car audio enthusiasts. Yes they are
cheap, but that is for a reason. They use lower grade/quality parts and
dont perform nearly as well as other brands in only a slightly higher
price range. I say save your money and buy something worthwile. Invest
in something high quality that you wont end up replacing or be
unsatisfied with after purchase. Just so you know Pyle/Lanzar/Blitz
Audio/Legacy are all the same company and use the same parts. The only
line that you might want to consider is Lanzar's Opti-Drive series if
you want something low-priced and high quality.

EFFENDI

I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?

Comparing them directly to their stock counterparts is folly to begin with.
There are many occasions where the stock speakers sound better than the best
speakers you can buy in some stock systems, where the user hasn't installed
an aftermarket amplifier or replaced the head unit. This is brought up all
the time in here.

The bottom line is this: Pyle has its place in the market. IMO, some Pyle
gear is the cream of the "junk" crop. You can do much worse for the money.
If you're after a high end system, Pyle speakers probably won't be in your
best interests. But if you're looking for a cheap upgrade to go along with
your cheap upgraded deck, it can be a decent solution. Not everyone has the
money (or the interest) to put into car audio.

--
Mark
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"Buckshot" wrote in message
...
Then again how many of us "Every day smo's" factory sound systems are
located in a Bmw? Lol, more like the ol' chevy, dodge, or ford you know?
Which in some cases I believe they could be better than stock..

Older cars sounded like they had metal flaps banging together to make
"Music" in which case I think theyed be better.

Buckshot

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
MZ wrote:
They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective
upgrade
of stock speakers.


I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

EFFENDI

MZ wrote:
I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!


How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?



Now thats a whole other argument right there. Considering that they dont
make Olds' anymore - they are a collectors item.

EFFENDI

I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!


How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?



Now thats a whole other argument right there. Considering that they dont
make Olds' anymore - they are a collectors item.

My point was that not everybody drives a BMW or Bentley with a good stock
system. Sometimes people want to just put a CD player and a better sounding
pair of speakers into their cars while spending as little as possible. Pyle
speakers are good candidates for that strategy.

Don't make Olds' anymore?

hmm... www.oldsmobile.com.. well.. still making them so far. Looks like
May will be the final production date on the 2004 Alero. REO is gotta be
rollin in his grave!

Brandonb


EFFENDI wrote:

MZ wrote:

I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!



How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?



Now thats a whole other argument right there. Considering that they dont
make Olds' anymore - they are a collectors item.

EFFENDI

MZ wrote:
I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!


How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?



Now thats a whole other argument right there. Considering that they dont
make Olds' anymore - they are a collectors item.


My point was that not everybody drives a BMW or Bentley with a good stock
system. Sometimes people want to just put a CD player and a better sounding
pair of speakers into their cars while spending as little as possible. Pyle
speakers are good candidates for that strategy.



We all have our opinions. I do completely understand what you mean by
Pyle having its place. (Not in my car) Based on what I have learned its
always better so save a little extra and get something worthwile. This
applies in any situation where you are replacing something or acquiring
a new (from factory or new to you) product.

For example say you had a choice of purchasing one of two cars. One is a
Toyota Corolla (any model year), the other is a Ford Pinto (any model
year). They are both the same class and size as well as colour. In this
situation both cars are new and are both priced within $100 dollars of
eachother. Now, tell me if you would buy the Pinto, known for its
mechanical defects, numerous recalls, horrible performance, and
generally ugly styling. Or, would you buy the Toyota, known for its
dependability, savings in the long run (based on maintenance costs, gas
cost,etc.) which has better performance, styling, and safety features.
If it was $100 more for the Toyota, would you buy the Toyota or the
Pinto, based on the example that the facts stated about each were true?

I dont care what kind of car it is. All I am trying to say to the OP is,
don't buy Pyle. Its not worth it. Even if you are on a extremely
stringent budget, get some more money, sell your dead heavy-duty AA
battery collection to some random idiot, I dont care what you have to do
to get money. Buy something worthwhile. This is a life lesson for you guys.

There are much better alternatives that can be found at the same pricing
point or only slightly higher. What about buying high-quality used gear
at the same price of new Pyle that isnt even close to the quality and
performance? Is that an option to rule out? Just because its 'brand
new', all-in-all its still always going to be Pyle, which is bull**** if
you ask me. Mark, Pyle has its place allright, in the garbage bin, or on
eBay being sold to someone taken advantage of, uneducated to the fact
that Pyle makes ****ty car audio, or to people that think Pyle is good,
like Mark Zarella.

EFFENDI

P.S. Dont hate on me when someone with a factory system blows the doors
off of all of your Pinto-Driving, Pyle-Sporting, Bumper-Draggin asses,
all while you are trying to adjust the volume knob that fell off of your
*brand new* Pyle CD player that is going to Pyle speakers wired in
reverse polarity by the Best Buy installers, that tried selling you a
Pyle EQ that only stays on when you have the left-side passenger window
(think about that one) rolled down then the radio wont tune FM and only
AM stations and its Spanglish talk radio and big macs are gone at
mcdonalds but they are on sale dos por ninenty neuve centavos.......you
think it sounds better than factory. ...........................

Yeah Right.

Jack wrote:

You mentioned the Lanzar's Opti-Drive series. I am finding the amps
online, but not the speakers. Any decent online sources (google seems to be
failing me today !)

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...

Superbaddawg wrote:

I got an offer to buy some Pyle speakers cheap and I was wondering if
they are worth it. I havent really heard of them but I was wondering
if anyone knows more about them.
Thanks,
SBD

They are considered entry-level. They are generally low-end components
and mostly frowned upon by serious car audio enthusiasts. Yes they are
cheap, but that is for a reason. They use lower grade/quality parts and
dont perform nearly as well as other brands in only a slightly higher
price range. I say save your money and buy something worthwile. Invest
in something high quality that you wont end up replacing or be
unsatisfied with after purchase. Just so you know Pyle/Lanzar/Blitz
Audio/Legacy are all the same company and use the same parts. The only
line that you might want to consider is Lanzar's Opti-Drive series if
you want something low-priced and high quality.

EFFENDI




etronics.com. but dont buy Lanzar if you dont have to.

Buckshot wrote:

Then again how many of us "Every day smo's" factory sound systems are
located in a Bmw? Lol, more like the ol' chevy, dodge, or ford you know?
Which in some cases I believe they could be better than stock..

Older cars sounded like they had metal flaps banging together to make
"Music" in which case I think theyed be better.

Buckshot

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...

MZ wrote:

They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective

upgrade

of stock speakers.


I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

EFFENDI




I dunno, I've heard really,really bad Pyle speakers too and they dont
sound much better.

Pyle used to make some awesome stuff about 10-12 years ago. I have the Pyle
Pro II series 10's, bridged a punch 60 to each 1 in 1.5 cu ft ported each.
they hit hard and sound great. But, they don't make those anymore.......

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
Buckshot wrote:

Then again how many of us "Every day smo's" factory sound systems are
located in a Bmw? Lol, more like the ol' chevy, dodge, or ford you know?
Which in some cases I believe they could be better than stock..

Older cars sounded like they had metal flaps banging together to make
"Music" in which case I think theyed be better.

Buckshot

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...

MZ wrote:

They have their role. In many cases, they are a very cost-effective

upgrade

of stock speakers.


I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!

EFFENDI




I dunno, I've heard really,really bad Pyle speakers too and they dont
sound much better.

"EFFENDI" wrote in message

(Snip a bunch of ****, including one of the worst attempts at an analogy I
have ever seen)


I dont care what kind of car it is. All I am trying to say to the OP is,
don't buy Pyle. Its not worth it. Even if you are on a extremely
stringent budget, get some more money, sell your dead heavy-duty AA
battery collection to some random idiot, I dont care what you have to do
to get money. Buy something worthwhile. This is a life lesson for you
guys.

A life lesson? The lesson that more money is better? Or that since you don't
like the particular brand that it should be avoided?


There are much better alternatives that can be found at the same pricing
point or only slightly higher.


Ok, like what? And what is slightly higher to you may not be to them. They
may have a hundred dollar bill they are going to use to get new speakers, no
more. What should they do, just wait around until a 50 drops in there lap so
they can get better speakers for a likely very marginal SQ difference?

What about buying high-quality used gear
at the same price of new Pyle that isnt even close to the quality and
performance? Is that an option to rule out? Just because its 'brand
new', all-in-all its still always going to be Pyle, which is bull**** if
you ask me.

So you don't like it, get over it.

Mark, Pyle has its place allright, in the garbage bin, or on
eBay being sold to someone taken advantage of, uneducated to the fact
that Pyle makes ****ty car audio, or to people that think Pyle is good,
like Mark Zarella.


And we have another Pugsly. Saying **** that noone actually said. You know
that a major player in sound quality is installation. It still applies. If
you have a crap install with good gear vs a great install with not so good
gear then which do you think will sound better?


P.S. Dont hate on me

I doubt anyone will hate on you. But thinking you are a dumbass is likely.

Les

We all have our opinions. I do completely understand what you mean by
Pyle having its place. (Not in my car) Based on what I have learned its
always better so save a little extra and get something worthwile. This
applies in any situation where you are replacing something or acquiring
a new (from factory or new to you) product.

Not always. Sometimes people buy cheap stuff because a) they don't care
enough about the particular item or service that much; b) the don't use it
enough to warrant buying something expensive; c) they're simply not able to
tell the difference between the "good" and the "bad". It may not be worth
it to this guy, or others considering Pyle, to continue to save.

Want an example? I just posted on here a couple days ago that I was looking
for a cheap head unit for someone. She doesn't need anything elaborate,
doesn't drive a whole lot, listens primarily to mp3's that aren't
necessarily high bitrate, doesn't care a whole lot, has a crappy car anyway,
and probably wouldn't even know the difference between something good and
something bad. She settled on a Jensen for $10 on ebay. Are you saying it
was a bad purchase for her?

Another example: I recently needed to buy a motherboard for a machine I put
together. It was the cheapest, crappiest, little motherboard, and could
only handle a pentium 233. So why didn't I buy a mobo with a 2GHz cpu and
from a reputable manufacturer? Well, I won't be using it enough to warrant
it, and when I do, I'll barely notice the difference anyway. Are you saying
I should have waited and saved for the more expensive one? Or am I "wrong"
for buying what I bought?

There are much better alternatives that can be found at the same pricing
point or only slightly higher. What about buying high-quality used gear
at the same price of new Pyle that isnt even close to the quality and
performance? Is that an option to rule out? Just because its 'brand
new', all-in-all its still always going to be Pyle, which is bull**** if

you ask me. Mark, Pyle has its place allright, in the garbage bin, or on
eBay being sold to someone taken advantage of, uneducated to the fact
that Pyle makes ****ty car audio, or to people that think Pyle is good,
like Mark Zarella.

You can make as many ASSumptions about me as you'd like. I don't own Pyle.
This is because I don't like the sound of any Pyle speakers I've heard.
Though I will say they're still better than any MB Quart speakers I've ever
heard. I guess that makes MB Quart "bad", huh?

Anyway, I've snipped the rest of your post. I'm not sure why you turned
hostile all of a sudden. I'll let my reputation stand for itself, and I
suspect you'll do the same. Nice chatting with you.

Brandon Buckner wrote:
Don't make Olds' anymore?

hmm... www.oldsmobile.com.. well.. still making them so far. Looks like
May will be the final production date on the 2004 Alero. REO is gotta be
rollin in his grave!

Brandonb


EFFENDI wrote:

MZ wrote:

I dont know if it is cost-effective when your stock speakers sound
better. Honestly Mark, would you put Pyle speakers into a BMW Harman
Kardon factory Premium system?? How about a Bentley with Alpine and
McIntosh gear....NO!!!!




How about into an '88 Oldsmobile?



Now thats a whole other argument right there. Considering that they
dont make Olds' anymore - they are a collectors item.

EFFENDI



This is their last production year. Notice how GM has put a notice on
there to "check out our other brands". Seems like they just want Olds to
fade away. I still love the Cutlass. You cant mess with a classic like that.

EFFENDI

Just face it. Pyle makes crappy gear. If that is all someone is looking
for then by all means go and buy it but dont expect an amazing
difference over stock gear. If you are just replacing it, for example to
sell a car. Go ahead. I guess as long as you can hear the music its all
good..

To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion. In real life, there is good and bad. People have their opinions
on what is good and bad. Additonallly, good and bad depends upon the
scenario. Your example is a valid one that I did not consider. Good call.

To Les: The life lesson is not to throw money away, make smart
investments that will pay off for you. Buying Pyle speakers is not a
smart decision, in my opinion. However, using Mark's example of the
customer looking for a cheap deck, by all means that was a smart
decision. Let me remind you that the orginal poster of this thread never
specified any details if they were even planning on installing the
speakers. They were simply asking for other people's opinions on Pyle
gear. , the type of application. It was a broad question that got a lot
of broad answers.

To Les: If people think I'm a dumbass for giving my opinion when asked
why dont they just come out and say it? I talk a lot of ****? WOW, to
hear that from the king of all ****-talkers is a real privilege. Les the
only posts I have read of yours A) insult someone, B) say someone is
"wrong", C) NOT help someone D) talk **** about someone else's opinons,
E)disagree with someone just to disgree with someone. Here is a life
lesson for you: Do something more constructive here, all I'm trying to
do is warn people about buying ****ty car audio. Something you seem to
have no passion for, yet frequent this newsgroup only to start ****
based on what I've seen from you. If I come off harshly its because I
dont want people to buy things that they won't be happy with. But at the
end of the day I can say that I genuinely try to help people. I dont
know what they call whatever you do here.

To Les again: OF COURSE the install matters, your example pretty much is
a balanced equation, it is the same either way. I've seen terrible
installs with incredible gear that sounds fantastic. I've seen terrible
gear with amazing installs and it sounded like ass. You can argue it to
death. Think about this, crappy gear sounds o.k. when installed
properly, good gear sounds great when installed properly. O.K. or great
sound, and leave it at that.

To Whom It May Concern: All i'm basically saying is buy what you need,
and if you can get something better for a little bit more money then go
for it. If your budget doesnt allow for it, tough ****, deal with the
problems that come with crappy gear. Maybe its just me but I do care
about good sound quality, value for the dollar, and performance,
durability and styling. I take car audio seriously so why would I
reccomend someone buy something that they are going to end up being
dissappointed with.

EFFENDI

P.S. Mark Z. I was a little hostile towards you, no hard feelings man.
I'm not trying to single you out. You do an excellent job around here
genuinely helping people. I give you credit. You did say it yourself,
"Pyle is the cream of the 'junk' crop."

To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion.

Bingo. I believe that is the point he was trying to make all along.

If someone is happy with their Pyle speakers, who are you to tell them that
anything else is better?


Nick

TheBIessedDead wrote:
To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion.


Bingo. I believe that is the point he was trying to make all along.

If someone is happy with their Pyle speakers, who are you to tell them that
anything else is better?


Nick

I'm EFFENDI. People know who the **** I am, who are you?? He ASKED for
my opinion. What the **** is wrong with you man? If they are happy than
so be it. I aint a crook to suggest something better. Maybe its because
of my background in sales, but I always reccomend other options to
people who are stuck on one brand. The decision they make is up to them.
Take what I say and use it to your advantage/disadvantage. What the ****
man...this is so stupid. You can't even give your opinion to someone who
asks for it without someone else being "offended". Read what I said in
my other post about the OP giving an extremely broad question, in this
situation he gave no specifics as to the installation of, purchase of,
or use of Pyle speakers. He asked what people thoought about it. DAMN!!!

RTFM B4 U AAQ


EFFENDI

I'm EFFENDI. People know who the **** I am,

People know who you are? What in the hell does that have to do with anything?

who are you??

I'm Nick.

Maybe its because
of my background in sales, but I always reccomend other options to
people who are stuck on one brand.

Giving other options is one thing. Telling him flat out "Pyle is worthless,
has no place in car audio, blah blah blah" is another. The latter is not very
useful to someone trying to make a purchase decision.

You can't even give your opinion to someone who
asks for it without someone else being "offended".

Who is offended? You have argued that Pyle is crap, others said that if
someone is happy with it, thats all that counts... Then you come out and say
"its all opinion" which basically contradicts everything you tried to state all
along. First you say "Pyle is ****, and has no place in the car audio world"
then you say "Its all opinion". Make up your mind.

Nick

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion. In real life, there is good and bad. People have their opinions
on what is good and bad. Additonallly, good and bad depends upon the
scenario. Your example is a valid one that I did not consider. Good call.

But you said Pyle sucks no matter what. Now you're backtracking trying to
save yourself some humiliation of being a complete dumbass.


To Les: The life lesson is not to throw money away, make smart
investments that will pay off for you. Buying Pyle speakers is not a
smart decision, in my opinion.

If it's your opinion then state it as that. Pyle has there place and they
have thier investment value.

They were simply asking for other people's opinions on Pyle
gear. , the type of application. It was a broad question that got a lot
of broad answers.

And alot of dumbass answers from you.


To Les: If people think I'm a dumbass for giving my opinion when asked
why dont they just come out and say it?

I did. Did you miss that? Most people just won't come out and say the
obvious truth.

I talk a lot of ****? WOW, to
hear that from the king of all ****-talkers is a real privilege. Les the
only posts I have read of yours A) insult someone,

That's true for a few people. Pugsly, Captain Howdy, and of course you have
all made that list. Congratulations.

B) say someone is
"wrong",

When someone is wrong then I will tell them that. What's your point.

C) NOT help someone

See my answer above a few lines.

D) talk **** about someone else's opinons,
E)disagree with someone just to disgree with someone.

I only disagree with someone when they are wrong, or a complete dumbass. You
fit both of those often.


To Les again: OF COURSE the install matters, your example pretty much is
a balanced equation, it is the same either way.

I only have one thing to say about that. Bull****.

I've seen terrible
installs with incredible gear that sounds fantastic. I've seen terrible
gear with amazing installs and it sounded like ass.

If it sounded like ass then the install was not amazing.

Think about this, crappy gear sounds o.k. when installed
properly,

"Crappy" gear can sound damned remarkable when installed properly.


To Whom It May Concern: All i'm basically saying is buy what you need,
and if you can get something better for a little bit more money then go
for it.

Again, you say a little more. What is that $10 $20 $100? To me a little more
is around $10 - $15. If you are shopping within $15 dollars then you will be
in the same league.

If your budget doesnt allow for it, tough ****, deal with the
problems that come with crappy gear. Maybe its just me but I do care
about good sound quality, value for the dollar, and performance,
durability and styling. I take car audio seriously so why would I
reccomend someone buy something that they are going to end up being
dissappointed with.

But you dont know if they will be happy or unhappy. But your assertation
that Pyle is crap and won't sound good is absurd. Sure you could buy better
speakers and they would sound better but is it worth it? There will be
tradeoffs, even in the things you care about. You can't have it all. You say
that it's just your opinion but state things as facts, and when you get
called you attempt to backpedal. BTW: I don't need any "life lessons" from a
complete idiot like yourself, I am quite happy with how my life is.

Les

Les wrote:
"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...

To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion. In real life, there is good and bad. People have their opinions
on what is good and bad. Additonallly, good and bad depends upon the
scenario. Your example is a valid one that I did not consider. Good call.


But you said Pyle sucks no matter what.

In my opinion, it does.

Now you're backtracking trying to
save yourself some humiliation of being a complete dumbass.

Really. I don't feel humiliated at all. I meant what I said. Take it for
face value.

Dumb ass? Well I'll let the rest of the world determine that. I gave my
opinion and I'm sticking to it. I'm not backing out of what I said. I
didn't think about the point that Mark made. Obviously what he had to
say is valid. However whatever you say doesn't mean **** to me. Bottom
line is that you cannot prove that I am wrong in this situation, I know
its something you love to try doing but it just doesn't work here Les.




To Les: The life lesson is not to throw money away, make smart
investments that will pay off for you. Buying Pyle speakers is not a
smart decision, in my opinion.


If it's your opinion then state it as that. Pyle has there place and they
have thier investment value.

I did. I never took back what I said. In my opinion Pyle is garbage. If
people like it I cant really stop them.


They were simply asking for other people's opinions on Pyle

gear. , the type of application. It was a broad question that got a lot
of broad answers.


And alot of dumbass answers from you.

And what did you bring to the conversation besides calling me out on my
"wrong" opinion?



snipped

E)disagree with someone just to disgree with someone.


I only disagree with someone when they are wrong, or a complete dumbass. You
fit both of those often.

Explain to me how giving my opinion when asked is wrong. And please go
into detail about the dumb ass issue. Is that fact or opinion. Remember
that an opinion can not be proved to be right or wrong. I would like to
see you try to PROVE your opinion.




To Les again: OF COURSE the install matters, your example pretty much is
a balanced equation, it is the same either way.


I only have one thing to say about that. Bull****.

Yeah it is bull****. I don't know why you are trying to argue about it.
Your idea of a good install might be different than someone else's. It
depends upon the intended goal of that installation. Of course a DB Drag
car that hits 170dB++ isn't going to be designed for winning sound
quality competitions. Is it installed correctly? Yes, for that purpose
it is. It is designed to be loud. What point are YOU trying to make here??

"Crappy" gear can sound damned remarkable when installed properly.


see above.

snipped

Again, you say a little more. What is that $10 $20 $100? To me a little more
is around $10 - $15. If you are shopping within $15 dollars then you will be
in the same league.

Not if you are buying used gear. I guess everyone missed that. Consider
it as an option. It could be used and the same price and still sound
better. You aren't losing anything except warranty and support for a
product that most likely performs well enough that it doesn't require it.


If your budget doesnt allow for it, tough ****, deal with the

problems that come with crappy gear. Maybe its just me but I do care
about good sound quality, value for the dollar, and performance,
durability and styling. I take car audio seriously so why would I
reccomend someone buy something that they are going to end up being
dissappointed with.


But you dont know if they will be happy or unhappy.
No I don't know. Buying Pyle has been a great disappointment in the past
when I bought it.

But your assertation
that Pyle is crap and won't sound good is absurd.

I never said that it wouldn't sound good. I said it was garbage compared
to what else is out there. Why is it absurd to say that? Again, it is my
opinion, take it how you want. Can you show me a Pyle speaker that has
been praised by any of the major players in the car audio industry. Have
any magazines reviewed Pyle products in the last 2 years and had
extremely positive remarks about it? Do you know anyone who competes
with Pyle gear in any of the sanctioning bodies such as IASCA, DB Drag?
I sure would like to know.

Sure you could buy better
speakers and they would sound better but is it worth it?

In my opinion it is.

There will be
tradeoffs, even in the things you care about. You can't have it all. You say
that it's just your opinion but state things as facts, and when you get
called you attempt to backpedal. BTW: I don't need any "life lessons" from a
complete idiot like yourself, I am quite happy with how my life is.

If I had your life Les I'd commit suicide. I don't know how you can go
to sleep at night thinking that you have contributed anything of
yourself with any positive impact at all.


Les

Effendi, I think you're exaggerating things quite a bit here. Pyle is not
"garbage", as much as we may like to call it that. A Pyle speaker will
usually sound better than most stock speakers when being powered by an
aftermarket head unit. Pyle makes simple coaxials that do what they're
designed to do. From a construction standpoint, they're not much different
from Pioneer, Kenwood, Sony, and the other mass market manufacturers. It's
really not until you start having more lofty requirements that you need to
go to the next level. For people who are simply putting in an aftermarket
head without an amplifier, and just screwing the speakers into the stock
locations, I doubt they'll notice much of a difference between $25 Pyle
speakers
(http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshow...number=267-778) and
$50 Pioneer speakers
(http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YJrojii...?s=0&c=10&g=52
000&I=130TSG1640&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N). Who knows? The Pyles may sound
better. Or, more likely, the crappy head unit amplifier will be driven into
clipping during transients, and the resultant distortion will make any
differences in the two speakers moot. Not to mention the effects of the
speakers installed in the stock locations in the leaky doors pointing at his
ankles will probably overwhelm any differences in tonal quality between the
two.

--
Mark
remove "remove" and "spam" to reply


"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
Les wrote:
"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...

To Mark: Yes, MB Quart sucks too. But Pyle, better? Its all a matter of
opinion. In real life, there is good and bad. People have their opinions
on what is good and bad. Additonallly, good and bad depends upon the
scenario. Your example is a valid one that I did not consider. Good
call.


But you said Pyle sucks no matter what.

In my opinion, it does.

Now you're backtracking trying to
save yourself some humiliation of being a complete dumbass.

Really. I don't feel humiliated at all. I meant what I said. Take it for
face value.

Dumb ass? Well I'll let the rest of the world determine that. I gave my
opinion and I'm sticking to it. I'm not backing out of what I said. I
didn't think about the point that Mark made. Obviously what he had to
say is valid. However whatever you say doesn't mean **** to me. Bottom
line is that you cannot prove that I am wrong in this situation, I know
its something you love to try doing but it just doesn't work here Les.




To Les: The life lesson is not to throw money away, make smart
investments that will pay off for you. Buying Pyle speakers is not a
smart decision, in my opinion.


If it's your opinion then state it as that. Pyle has there place and
they
have thier investment value.

I did. I never took back what I said. In my opinion Pyle is garbage. If
people like it I cant really stop them.


They were simply asking for other people's opinions on Pyle

gear. , the type of application. It was a broad question that got a lot
of broad answers.


And alot of dumbass answers from you.

And what did you bring to the conversation besides calling me out on my
"wrong" opinion?



snipped

E)disagree with someone just to disgree with someone.


I only disagree with someone when they are wrong, or a complete dumbass.
You
fit both of those often.

Explain to me how giving my opinion when asked is wrong. And please go
into detail about the dumb ass issue. Is that fact or opinion. Remember
that an opinion can not be proved to be right or wrong. I would like to
see you try to PROVE your opinion.




To Les again: OF COURSE the install matters, your example pretty much is
a balanced equation, it is the same either way.


I only have one thing to say about that. Bull****.

Yeah it is bull****. I don't know why you are trying to argue about it.
Your idea of a good install might be different than someone else's. It
depends upon the intended goal of that installation. Of course a DB Drag
car that hits 170dB++ isn't going to be designed for winning sound
quality competitions. Is it installed correctly? Yes, for that purpose
it is. It is designed to be loud. What point are YOU trying to make here??

"Crappy" gear can sound damned remarkable when installed properly.


see above.

snipped

Again, you say a little more. What is that $10 $20 $100? To me a little
more
is around $10 - $15. If you are shopping within $15 dollars then you
will be
in the same league.

Not if you are buying used gear. I guess everyone missed that. Consider
it as an option. It could be used and the same price and still sound
better. You aren't losing anything except warranty and support for a
product that most likely performs well enough that it doesn't require it.


If your budget doesnt allow for it, tough ****, deal with the

problems that come with crappy gear. Maybe its just me but I do care
about good sound quality, value for the dollar, and performance,
durability and styling. I take car audio seriously so why would I
reccomend someone buy something that they are going to end up being
dissappointed with.


But you dont know if they will be happy or unhappy.
No I don't know. Buying Pyle has been a great disappointment in the past
when I bought it.

But your assertation
that Pyle is crap and won't sound good is absurd.

I never said that it wouldn't sound good. I said it was garbage compared
to what else is out there. Why is it absurd to say that? Again, it is my
opinion, take it how you want. Can you show me a Pyle speaker that has
been praised by any of the major players in the car audio industry. Have
any magazines reviewed Pyle products in the last 2 years and had
extremely positive remarks about it? Do you know anyone who competes
with Pyle gear in any of the sanctioning bodies such as IASCA, DB Drag?
I sure would like to know.

Sure you could buy better
speakers and they would sound better but is it worth it?

In my opinion it is.

There will be
tradeoffs, even in the things you care about. You can't have it all. You
say
that it's just your opinion but state things as facts, and when you get
called you attempt to backpedal. BTW: I don't need any "life lessons"
from a
complete idiot like yourself, I am quite happy with how my life is.

If I had your life Les I'd commit suicide. I don't know how you can go
to sleep at night thinking that you have contributed anything of
yourself with any positive impact at all.


Les

MZ wrote:
Effendi, I think you're exaggerating things quite a bit here. Pyle is not
"garbage", as much as we may like to call it that. A Pyle speaker will
usually sound better than most stock speakers when being powered by an
aftermarket head unit. Pyle makes simple coaxials that do what they're
designed to do. From a construction standpoint, they're not much different
from Pioneer, Kenwood, Sony, and the other mass market manufacturers. It's
really not until you start having more lofty requirements that you need to
go to the next level. For people who are simply putting in an aftermarket
head without an amplifier, and just screwing the speakers into the stock
locations, I doubt they'll notice much of a difference between $25 Pyle
speakers
(http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshow...number=267-778) and
$50 Pioneer speakers
(http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YJrojii...?s=0&c=10&g=52
000&I=130TSG1640&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N). Who knows? The Pyles may sound
better. Or, more likely, the crappy head unit amplifier will be driven into
clipping during transients, and the resultant distortion will make any
differences in the two speakers moot. Not to mention the effects of the
speakers installed in the stock locations in the leaky doors pointing at his
ankles will probably overwhelm any differences in tonal quality between the
two.


The Pioneers look even worse. Doesnt anyone make good speakers anymore
at an affordable price? I might be exaggerating but I'm just trying to
show that I'm not wrong.

EFFENDI

The Pioneers look even worse. Doesnt anyone make good speakers anymore
at an affordable price? I might be exaggerating but I'm just trying to
show that I'm not wrong.

It's sometimes cheaper to buy lesser known raw drivers. For $50, you can
get a fairly good pair of woofers and tweeters brand new. For $100, you can
get a great set of raw drivers (Peerless or Vifa, for example). Or, you can
do as you suggested and look for used.

"EFFENDI" wrote in message
...
Dumb ass? Well I'll let the rest of the world determine that. I gave my
opinion and I'm sticking to it. I'm not backing out of what I said. I
didn't think about the point that Mark made. Obviously what he had to
say is valid. However whatever you say doesn't mean **** to me. Bottom
line is that you cannot prove that I am wrong in this situation, I know
its something you love to try doing but it just doesn't work here Les.

I don't have to prove that your wrong. If you think Pyle sucks then so be
it, but you are giving out bad advice. You didn't find out what they want,
they wanted to know if they were worth it, and they very well could be! He
said he could get them cheap. So, yes, depending on price and intended use
they could be worth it. But according to you he should spend more money and
you'll get something better, which is not always true. My friend prefers the
sound of his stock radio than most aftermarkets, he didn't spend any extra
money, does it sound bad too?



They were simply asking for other people's opinions on Pyle

gear. , the type of application. It was a broad question that got a lot
of broad answers.


And alot of dumbass answers from you.

And what did you bring to the conversation besides calling me out on my
"wrong" opinion?

I didn't say your opinion was wrong, but I did say you were a dumbass. Get
it straight next time.


E)disagree with someone just to disgree with someone.


I only disagree with someone when they are wrong, or a complete dumbass.
You
fit both of those often.

Explain to me how giving my opinion when asked is wrong.

I never said it was. I said OR a complete dumbass, do you get which one I
was referring to now?


And please go
into detail about the dumb ass issue. Is that fact or opinion. Remember
that an opinion can not be proved to be right or wrong. I would like to
see you try to PROVE your opinion.

That's the great thing about opinions, you don't have to prove them! You are
entitled to your opinion, that's fine. I didn't bother you for your opinion
but when you start with dumbass things like " All I am trying to say to the
OP is,
don't buy Pyle. Its not worth it. Even if you are on a extremely
stringent budget, get some more money", because you don't know if it's worth
it or not. We never found out his exact reasoning for upgrading or whatever,
or how cheap he was getting them. That is why I think your advice is stupid.
Pretty simple when you get down to it.



To Les again: OF COURSE the install matters, your example pretty much is
a balanced equation, it is the same either way.


I only have one thing to say about that. Bull****.

Yeah it is bull****.

Then why did you say it? Oh wait, you like to say stupid things.


I don't know why you are trying to argue about it.
Your idea of a good install might be different than someone else's. It
depends upon the intended goal of that installation. Of course a DB Drag
car that hits 170dB++ isn't going to be designed for winning sound
quality competitions. Is it installed correctly? Yes, for that purpose
it is. It is designed to be loud.

You definantly missed the point. See below.


What point are YOU trying to make here??

You are worse off than I thought. The point was it is NOT a balanced
equation. A great install with pyle gear will likely be better than a bad
install with good gear. I have seen it a hundred times over.

But your assertation
that Pyle is crap and won't sound good is absurd.

I never said that it wouldn't sound good.

You said "Pyle is ****", what did you mean by that?

I said it was garbage compared
to what else is out there.

Sure it's not going to sound as good, all else being equal, as higher end
stuff. But you also pay the pricetag.

Why is it absurd to say that?

Because you are assuming that the OP wants the exact same things you do and
will do everything exactly like you. That's absurd.

Again, it is my
opinion, take it how you want. Can you show me a Pyle speaker that has
been praised by any of the major players in the car audio industry.

Why would I have to? Again, application is king.

Have
any magazines reviewed Pyle products in the last 2 years and had
extremely positive remarks about it?

Wouldn't know, I don't read the Car audio rags. They let Nousaine write for
them how credible can they be?

Do you know anyone who competes
with Pyle gear in any of the sanctioning bodies such as IASCA, DB Drag?
I sure would like to know.

What does it matter? Is the guy gonna compete with them? Yet again, it's all
about application.

Sure you could buy better
speakers and they would sound better but is it worth it?

In my opinion it is.

Great. But it may not be to others. It is for me but I don't go around
bashing stuff I've never heard and telling people they shouldn't get it
becaue I said so.


.. BTW: I don't need any "life lessons" from a
complete idiot like yourself, I am quite happy with how my life is.

If I had your life Les I'd commit suicide. I don't know how you can go
to sleep at night thinking that you have contributed anything of
yourself with any positive impact at all.

I don't need to feel like I contributed to a newsgroup on the internet to
sleep at night. If that's where you get all your satisfaction then have at
it. So now that you have set me straight you can go to sleep tonight and
cuddle up with your blankie and sleep soundly because you have helped make
the internet a better place.

Les

I'm with effedni on this one... Pyle is about the same as pyramid as
far as im concerned.. If you want the cheapest disposable gear you
can get, and you don't care about SQ or SPL, then fine, go for it.. I
think it's a waste of effort to wire up amps and everything else if
you're gonna run pyle, i wouldnt even bother... It's good for
highschool kids with no bankroll who feel the need to show off.

Even pyle and pyramid subs are better than nothing. Well, maybe not..
They may SOUND better than nothing at all, but there's always the
embarrassment factor.. Anyone who knows anything about car audio will
laugh at you for running pyle/pyramid gear in your system.

Currently on ebay, 1600 watt subs for $25 each?? 1600 watt amps for
$89?? Cmon! You get what you pay for.. 100 watts worth of kicker
gear would blow any pyle setup away.

I'm with effedni on this one... Pyle is about the same as pyramid as
far as im concerned.. If you want the cheapest disposable gear you
can get, and you don't care about SQ or SPL, then fine, go for it.. I
think it's a waste of effort to wire up amps and everything else if
you're gonna run pyle, i wouldnt even bother... It's good for
highschool kids with no bankroll who feel the need to show off.

Apparently, you're NOT with effendi on this one. He agreed that there is in
fact a place for Pyle. He just said he'd never own it. What you evidently
failed to pick up reading this thread is that some people don't have a
"bankroll" to dedicate to car audio. It's that simple. So instead of the
all-or-none strategy that you're suggesting, some people do feel it's
beneficial to upgrade but they have other responsibilities that take
precedent. I suspect you don't have a wife and kids.


Even pyle and pyramid subs are better than nothing. Well, maybe not..
They may SOUND better than nothing at all, but there's always the
embarrassment factor.. Anyone who knows anything about car audio will
laugh at you for running pyle/pyramid gear in your system.

The people who would laugh at you because of the name stamped on the
equipment are actually the ones that know nothing about car audio.

The people who would laugh at you because of the name stamped on the
equipment are actually the ones that know nothing about car audio.

Agreed ... LOL. They are usually the ones who are the most swayed and influenced by Madison Ave. This is exactly the effect that the marketing programs strive to achieve. This is particulary evident in speaker components. People will spend inordinate amounts of money on a component set because they are SUPPOSED to be good because of the name. The more they cost the better. I guess if one believes it ... it will be so. Many times one can get far better performance by buying raw drivers ( with no useless flash ) such as Vifa. Moral is ... always disregard hype, numbing conformity, and peer acceptance and look for true substance instead. I imagine a lot of people would be embarassed by a true blind listening test.

-RG



MZ wrote:

I'm with effedni on this one... Pyle is about the same as pyramid as
far as im concerned.. If you want the cheapest disposable gear you
can get, and you don't care about SQ or SPL, then fine, go for it.. I
think it's a waste of effort to wire up amps and everything else if
you're gonna run pyle, i wouldnt even bother... It's good for
highschool kids with no bankroll who feel the need to show off.



Apparently, you're NOT with effendi on this one. He agreed that there is in
fact a place for Pyle. He just said he'd never own it. What you evidently
failed to pick up reading this thread is that some people don't have a
"bankroll" to dedicate to car audio. It's that simple. So instead of the
all-or-none strategy that you're suggesting, some people do feel it's
beneficial to upgrade but they have other responsibilities that take
precedent. I suspect you don't have a wife and kids.



Even pyle and pyramid subs are better than nothing. Well, maybe not..
They may SOUND better than nothing at all, but there's always the
embarrassment factor.. Anyone who knows anything about car audio will
laugh at you for running pyle/pyramid gear in your system.



The people who would laugh at you because of the name stamped on the
equipment are actually the ones that know nothing about car audio.

Agreed ... LOL. They are usually the ones who are the most swayed and
influenced by Madison Ave. This is exactly the effect that the marketing
programs strive to achieve. This is particulary evident in speaker
components. People will spend inordinate amounts of money on a component set
because they are SUPPOSED to be good because of the name. The more they cost
the better. I guess if one believes it ... it will be so. Many times one can
get far better performance by buying raw drivers ( with no useless flash )
such as Vifa. Moral is ... always disregard hype, numbing conformity, and
peer acceptance and look for true substance instead. I imagine a lot of
people would be embarassed by a true blind listening test.

-RG

Well said. At one point I was actually toying with the notion of putting
all Jensen equipment in a car and entering it into some of those silly
competitions. The only requirement I would be looking for is that the
judges wouldn't know what kind of equipment it was when listening.
Unfortunately, I don't believe there are competitions that allow you to
"hide" your equipment.

Well said. At one point I was actually toying with the notion of putting
all Jensen equipment in a car and entering it into some of those silly
competitions. The only requirement I would be looking for is that the
judges wouldn't know what kind of equipment it was when listening.
Unfortunately, I don't believe there are competitions that allow you to
"hide" your equipment.



Boy, I would love to see that Mark.

It would certainly put a hurtin on some "high end" companies when people
figured out that just about anything can sound good when installed correctly.

Personally I'll take my unknown locally equipment along with my solid
installation over any of the "high end" stuff someone might just slap in there
car.

Nick

Boy, I would love to see that Mark.

It would certainly put a hurtin on some "high end" companies when people
figured out that just about anything can sound good when installed
correctly.

Personally I'll take my unknown locally equipment along with my solid
installation over any of the "high end" stuff someone might just slap in
there
car.

I'm not meaning to disparriage "high end" equipment. In fact, I'm
personally not entirely fond of the Jensen speakers I've heard. But the
same goes for a lot of high end companies. However, I believe two things to
be true: 1) the quality of the installation has more of an impact on the
total sound (this includes tuning, and perhaps the car itself); and 2) many,
if not most, users simply don't have enough experience to critically listen
in order to pinpoint the difference (and attribute a quality to it - this is
an important point) between different speakers. Oftentimes, the difference
is so subtle that for a lot of people it may not warrant the extra
expenditure.

LOL.... all ya gotta do is read the thread about the guy not getting the
sound he wants outta his Dynaudio's to know that installation is a #1
priority.....

BTW.....doesn't PYLE actually make their speakers? If so... doesn't this
mean they make other "brand" speakers???
perhaps Durbin would know this.

FHLH.....



"TheBIessedDead" wrote in message
...


Personally I'll take my unknown locally equipment along with my solid
installation over any of the "high end" stuff someone might just slap in
there
car.

Nick