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I haven't seen any evidence, nor have I even
heard such rumors.
BTW, I have much more sympathy
for Rush than I do for Bill Bennett.
That's a hypocrite!

The two are equally hypocritical.

Where are the differences in the two cases?



Limbaugh's regimen of excruciating back pain.

I refuse to cut either any slack, and I suffer from
non-correctable back pain, every single day.


I suffer too, from back pain and sciatica.
I don't condone what he did, though I understand
it and have empathy. After all, I am a compassionate
conservative!

No slack for Bennett making huge cash off his hypocritical
moralizing (do whjat I say and all that), and none for Rush
for all of his vicious commentary about dsrug users
generally and addicts specifically.

In the karmic sense, prison is exactly what he deserves.


I can accept your opinion, as stated in the Karmic sense.


Being both compassionate and an opponent of criminalization
of drugs (it is a health issue in my view) he ought to be
forced into recovery for a slong as it takes.


Though recovery does little good if forced.




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Ever hear of taxes, man? You do pay them. don't you?
Lot's of the mob corrupton bears on public projects.
Increased building costs = increased rents= increased product and
services
costs. The amounf of money lost to mod corruption in businessed dwarfs
what
you are talkng about in the union situation, in which BTW, the conract
egotiations would still be an issue with a clean union. You haven't even
shown the loss of one thin dime.

You don't think too clearly at 3 am in the morning, do you?


I think fien, I just don't type to welle.




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I don't see a criminal prosecution. I don't even see a lawsuit.
Smoke is being blown up your ass.


By his own lips!

Very flexible, our Geoshrink.

Nexus 6

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:


I refuse to cut either any slack, and I suffer from
non-correctable back pain, every single day.



I suffer too, from back pain and sciatica.
I don't condone what he did, though I understand
it and have empathy. After all, I am a compassionate
conservative!

Eeek!

No no, not one of those!



No slack for Bennett making huge cash off his hypocritical
moralizing (do whjat I say and all that), and none for Rush
for all of his vicious commentary about dsrug users
generally and addicts specifically.

In the karmic sense, prison is exactly what he deserves.



I can accept your opinion, as stated in the Karmic sense.

Deal.




Being both compassionate and an opponent of criminalization
of drugs (it is a health issue in my view) he ought to be
forced into recovery for a slong as it takes.



Though recovery does little good if forced.

Strictly speaking, you are right. Apparently this is not his
first go 'round with treatment, so something needs to change
in his life.

Maybe being such a gigantic blowhard is causing too much
stress?

Nexus 6

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

But he's still got moral authority because he's in favor of handguns,
viciously bigoted against gay people, and against women's rights to
control their own bodies. Right?

He is in favor of the Constitutional right to bear arms.

That is not an unencumbered right. Go on and lie about the militia
part now.

Saying he is in fabor of hand guns is like saying

Explain to me, then, how somebody can be 100% dead-set against ALL gun
control and also be against handguns.

This is a seriously evil individual, and you can't tell him from a
bona-fide moralizer? For shame.

No answer here?

Obviously, I disagree that he is evil.

In favor of murdering abortion doctors, in favor of violence and
discimination against gays, in favor of eliminating women's
reproductive rights. Evil, evil, evil.

If his pronouncements that gays are morally incorrect

"Morally incorrect"? Sounds like meaningless camouflage for hatred.

Wrong.
Just because I think cheating on one's wife is morally incorrect,
that does not mean I hate those who cheat.

If you mean "immoral", don't utter nonsense phrases like "morally
incorrect".

And it's ingenuous to believe that Bimbo's pinhead brigade are
enlightened enough to separate the "sin" from the "sinner". They hate
gay people, and Bimbo knows it, and he feeds the flames of their
hatred.

The association may be "like" that to you, but the attribution of
violence to the entertainment industry is speculation, whereas the
attribution of violence to the followers of the pseudo-religionists is
documented fact. To me that makes the accusations very much unlike,
but maybe that's just me.

It is not documented fact. No commentator I know ever said
any such thing, nor any religious leader known to me.

Falwell himself admitted to his responsibility in such violence.

T'was lyoing under oath.

Excuse me?

That's your problem

You need to flush your toilet.

Which has got to nothing to do with Clinton's lying under oath.

Neither does "That's your problem."


Lie under oath

Wouldn't you love it if Mr. **** got caught doing that?

Yes, like I liked it when Clinton got caught.

No, we're talking about Krooger now.

BTW, his punishment is appropriate. The stain of
impeachment, but not actual removal.

The impeachment was a political hatchet job, as you well know.


He lied about whether he fooled around with Monica, and you call that
a Constitutional crisis?

I think it went about as far as it needed to go.

I think it went much further than any reasonable person would expect.
Of course, it was a Republican hatchet job, which means reason was out
the window.


The hypocricy is not in his antidrug views, but is in the fact
that he became an addict.

That doesn't make sense. The hypocrisy lies in his failure to practice
as he preached. Take away the behavior or the preaching and there's no
hypocrisy. Only with both does the hypocrisy shine through.

He became addicted while legally using the drug to
to alleviate excruciating pain.

And yet he kept blabbering about punishing addicts even though he
himself was one. If he'd shut his yap or if he'd stuck to the
prescription guidelines, he might have been able to avoid the
hypocrisy label. But he did both, and that makes him a hypocrite.

This doesn't seem difficult to understand. Behaving badly is one
thing. Railing about other people's similar bad behavior is another
thing. Put them together, and it's hypocrisy.

Talk about lack of compassion in the right, I see as much
from the left.

Copout noted.

All I need to do is offer all you have said previously on the subject.
There is a tone of hatred about it.
I get that same tone, even more strongly, from some
commentators on the liberal side.

If I were to judge your "open-mindedness" based on how I feel about
your "tone", I'd say you're an ill-informed reactionary bigot.
Fortunately, I've listened to other things you have said and balanced
them against the repugnant things.


60 minutes has mostly been 20 years of BS

Talking about closed minds......

I tried, I kept it open for about 10 years. I gave up on Rather & Co.

This past Sunday, they ran a story on apparent criminal behavior by
the FBI in victimizing a scientist. Many questions weren't answered,
but that was because of a gag order by the judge. The one pro-
persecution source they interviewed, a former federal prosecutor, was
too stupid to understand the difference between a witness and a
criminal.

They are muckrakers. It's their mission to expose bad behavior. I
suspect hearing bad news is what makes you uncomfortable.


I believe you disagree with their agenda of exposing frauds and liars
and hypocrites, so you ignorantly claim their stories are untrue. Yet
only once have they ever revised a story, and they've never recanted
one completely.

That speaks volunes for their inability to be balanced.

Conclusion before premise. Penalty to you.

They have gotten into trouble more frequently than you portrayed.

Are your sources for this claim any better than StynchBlob's?

They may not lie outright all the time, but they
twist, and spin, and omit inormation that runs counter to their
agenda.
The editing is tightly controlled.
The viewer is not shown the wole story,

No question that is true at least some of the time. But that doesn't
lessen the guilt of the perpetrators they expose.

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MiNE 109 wrote:

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Nexus 6 wrote:


Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:



I haven't seen any evidence, nor have I even
heard such rumors.
BTW, I have much more sympathy
for Rush than I do for Bill Bennett.
That's a hypocrite!

The two are equally hypocritical.

Where are the differences in the two cases?


Bill Bennett has those enormous lats from pulling the one-armed bandit...

Enormous "lat," singular.
Or is he a two fisted gambler?

Good point. He'd be over-developed on the right, of course.

And possibly a rotator cuff like a grapefruit, as I've said before...

Stephen

MiNE 109 wrote:



Bill Bennett has those enormous lats from pulling the one-armed bandit...

Enormous "lat," singular.
Or is he a two fisted gambler?


Good point. He'd be over-developed on the right, of course.

It bulges in the most manly of manners.


And possibly a rotator cuff like a grapefruit, as I've said before...

His prostate will be center court for the NBA opener.

Nexus 6

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60 minutes has mostly been 20 years of BS

Talking about closed minds......

I tried, I kept it open for about 10 years. I gave up on Rather & Co.

This past Sunday, they ran a story on apparent criminal behavior by
the FBI in victimizing a scientist. Many questions weren't answered,
but that was because of a gag order by the judge. The one pro-
persecution source they interviewed, a former federal prosecutor, was
too stupid to understand the difference between a witness and a
criminal.

They are muckrakers. It's their mission to expose bad behavior. I
suspect hearing bad news is what makes you uncomfortable.

I used to think 60 Minutes was an interesting program. Then they did a
show about 20 years ago on the cost overruns of a nuclear plant under
construction in Ill. near Urbana while I was in college. The thing had been
a hot topic in local news and campus news for years. 60 Minutes twisted
the story ruthlessly with a nucluear power is unsafe and this plant is
dangerous slant that was absurd to anyone who new the facts. Trouble is,
we need a 60 Minutes show to do an show on 60 Minutes falsehoods. How do
you know 60 Minutes is telling the truth? They need ratings too and aren't
above a little factual manipulation to get it. Maybe the right wing talk
radio that is rising is a natural balance to some of that bias. I don't
know. But I recall that plant never got finished and was ultimately
converted to fossil fuel (coal and natural gas) in large part because the
government couldn't compete with 60 Minutes propaganda.

It has gotten to the point where you can't believe anything in any of the
media. BS on 60 Minutes. False stories in the New York Times. Bogus polls
in the Los Angeles Times. I am getting pretty sick of the obvious media
industries on the right and left that have gone beyond providing
information and now flat want to tell people how to think. I'm pretty
conservative but the Hannatization of America is as nauseating to me as the
Dallas Cowboys being "Americas Team".

ScottW

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You think heroin addicts did it intentionally?


YES

Became *addicted* intentionally?

The fact that Heroin is an addictive drug is carefully kept concealed from
non-addicts, particularly in neighborhoods where Heroin addiction is common.

And if you believe that, you probably think that vinyl has better phase
response than the CD format.

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I said that Socialists tried to infiltrate some unions.
So did organized crime
Of course, organized crime has been even more successful
infiltrating
some corporations.

Like, which ones, besides, of course, Vegas casinos?


GeoSynch



A nunber of building trade companies in NYC.
particularly in concrete and windows.
Trash haulers, many different cities
Trucking companies
some import/export companies

Which goes right along with the Teamsters love affair with the mob.




Sure, and they were always into infiltrating businesses too.
That doesn't make unions innately evil and it doesn't make
corporations innately evil.




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Nexus 6 said:

I am a progressive conservative.

Conservative in what areas?
I ask in light of the list you posted earlier.

Socky is pro-guns, anti-gay rights, and anti-job safety regulations.



No, I am pro gay rights, except for marraige.
And I am pro job safety regulations, except for
any specific ones that might be inane.

I don't think gay relationships are immoral, but I do think they
are unnatural. And I think gays are just made that way,
that it isn't a choice. Gay unions should be
recognized, but not as marraige.





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When the baby is almost completely out of the mother's womb, but a
small
portion of the baby still remains within the womb, the poor baby's
tiny
head is punctured with a scissor and its brain sucked out,

True!

the health of the mother
is not an issue on whether the baby should be delivered alive or dead.

Not necessarily true!

The problem with the exception for the mother's health is that it has
been
incorrecftly abused as a loophole, But we start killing
innocent mothers to save innocent babies.

No, we do not. What you've stated is abortionist propaganda.

Pro-lifers have *NEVER* advocated sacrificing the life or health of the
mother for the sake of the unborn baby. Quite the opposite - the life
and health of the mother takes precedence over that of an unborn baby's.


I didn't state myself clearly. I meant to say that if partial birth
abortions are bannned outright, we will start killing innocent mothers to
save innocent babies. However, the problem with the exception
is that it will be falsely abused as a lophole (lying doctors) in
some cases.




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You think heroin addicts did it intentionally?


YES

Became *addicted* intentionally?



YES
You think they don't know about it?

Know?

Sure, in the sens ewe know we ought not to drive too fast
for it might get us killed, or eat fast food cause it might
give us a heart attack. With many drugs, people don't
believe they are *that* addictive, or that they will fall
prey to it.

In other words, they don't wake uyp one morning and say"
Gee, think I'll sacore me a packet and start my addiction
today."


Same as cigarettes. It is widely known that they are addictive
and cause lung cancer, yet peole knowingly start smoking.




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against wasteful social programs that don't work (40 years of failure)
(I am in favor of one's that would work)

Such as?


school vouchers, only in districts with failing schools. I don't
want it to become a subsidy program for the wealthy.
But I want poor parents to have 'choice'.

day care for working poor

any programs that would work to prevent single parenthood,
which is the leadiing cause of economic deprivation.




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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:


I refuse to cut either any slack, and I suffer from
non-correctable back pain, every single day.



I suffer too, from back pain and sciatica.
I don't condone what he did, though I understand
it and have empathy. After all, I am a compassionate
conservative!

Eeek!

No no, not one of those!



No slack for Bennett making huge cash off his hypocritical
moralizing (do whjat I say and all that), and none for Rush
for all of his vicious commentary about dsrug users
generally and addicts specifically.

In the karmic sense, prison is exactly what he deserves.



I can accept your opinion, as stated in the Karmic sense.

Deal.




Being both compassionate and an opponent of criminalization
of drugs (it is a health issue in my view) he ought to be
forced into recovery for a slong as it takes.



Though recovery does little good if forced.

Strictly speaking, you are right. Apparently this is not his
first go 'round with treatment, so something needs to change
in his life.

Maybe being such a gigantic blowhard is causing too much
stress?


I give him credit for being able to control his weight.
I can't do that!
Maybe going public (though he was outed) is the change.
I wish him well, I hope that when
he comes back, he will be a little more empathetic.




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In favor of murdering abortion doctors,

misstatement

in favor of violence and
discimination against gays,

misstatement as to violence

in favor of eliminating women's
reproductive rights. Evil, evil, evil.


he looks at it as as saving babies.
he thinks that abortion is murdering babies,
and that abortions are evil, evil, evil.



And it's ingenuous to believe that Bimbo's pinhead brigade are
enlightened enough to separate the "sin" from the "sinner". They hate
gay people, and Bimbo knows it, and he feeds the flames of their
hatred.



He is offering his opinions on proposed changes in the
legal staus of gays.
As you say, those that are violent,are already predisposed to that.
he isn't advocating violence.


It is not documented fact. No commentator I know ever said
any such thing, nor any religious leader known to me.

Falwell himself admitted to his responsibility in such violence.


I think he said that he regretted it that others misconstrued him.


Yes, like I liked it when Clinton got caught.

No, we're talking about Krooger now.

I would like that even better.


BTW, his punishment is appropriate. The stain of
impeachment, but not actual removal.

The impeachment was a political hatchet job, as you well know.


For cause.


He lied about whether he fooled around with Monica, and you call that
a Constitutional crisis?

I think it went about as far as it needed to go.

I think it went much further than any reasonable person would expect.
Of course, it was a Republican hatchet job, which means reason was out
the window.


Well earned.


The hypocricy is not in his antidrug views, but is in the fact
that he became an addict.

That doesn't make sense. The hypocrisy lies in his failure to practice

as he preached. Take away the behavior or the preaching and there's no
hypocrisy. Only with both does the hypocrisy shine through.

He became addicted while legally using the drug to
to alleviate excruciating pain.

And yet he kept blabbering about punishing addicts even though he
himself was one. If he'd shut his yap or if he'd stuck to the
prescription guidelines, he might have been able to avoid the
hypocrisy label. But he did both, and that makes him a hypocrite.


Yes, he did keep yapping. But he was in denail about his addicition

This doesn't seem difficult to understand. Behaving badly is one
thing. Railing about other people's similar bad behavior is another
thing. Put them together, and it's hypocrisy.


He wasn't necessarily in his right mind. I would put the label
on him if he started as a recreational user.
Should he ever turn out to be gay, now THAT
would be hypocricy.



If I were to judge your "open-mindedness" based on how I feel about
your "tone", I'd say you're an ill-informed reactionary bigot.
Fortunately, I've listened to other things you have said and balanced
them against the repugnant things.


I am not a bigot. You misrepresent my views.


60 minutes has mostly been 20 years of BS

Talking about closed minds......

I tried, I kept it open for about 10 years. I gave up on Rather & Co.

This past Sunday, they ran a story on apparent criminal behavior by
the FBI in victimizing a scientist. Many questions weren't answered,
but that was because of a gag order by the judge. The one pro-
persecution source they interviewed, a former federal prosecutor, was
too stupid to understand the difference between a witness and a
criminal.

They are muckrakers. It's their mission to expose bad behavior. I
suspect hearing bad news is what makes you uncomfortable.



No, it is their methods.
Evil, evil, evil.


I believe you disagree with their agenda of exposing frauds and liars
and hypocrites, so you ignorantly claim their stories are untrue. Yet
only once have they ever revised a story, and they've never recanted
one completely.

That speaks volunes for their inability to be balanced.

Conclusion before premise. Penalty to you.

They have gotten into trouble more frequently than you portrayed.

Are your sources for this claim any better than StynchBlob's?

They may not lie outright all the time, but they
twist, and spin, and omit inormation that runs counter to their
agenda.
The editing is tightly controlled.
The viewer is not shown the wole story,

No question that is true at least some of the time. But that doesn't
lessen the guilt of the perpetrators they expose.



I agree, especially in the Food Lying (Food Lion) case.




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I didn't state myself clearly. I meant to say that if partial birth
abortions are banned outright, we will start killing innocent
mothers to save innocent babies. However, the problem with the
exception is that it will be falsely abused as a loophole (lying
doctors) in some cases.

It's really hard to conceive of a case where a partial birth abortion would
save a mother's life. Why don't you work up just one believable scenario
where that would be the case.

The vast majority of the real world cases where babies had to be sacrificed
to save the life of the mother were based on circa-1940s and 1950s medical
technology. Guess what, technology marched on!

Today, abortion is predominately used to preserve the lifestyle of the
mother which is a tad different than saving the life of the mother.

Given that we can preserve the life of incredibly premature infants, this
whole situation exists in an entirely different light than it did at the
time of Roe vs. Wade.

Today's more liberal social mores facilitate a woman carrying a child to
term and delivering it live, without egregious adverse social repercussions.

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
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Nexus 6 said:


I am a progressive conservative.

Conservative in what areas?
I ask in light of the list you posted earlier.

Socky is pro-guns, anti-gay rights, and anti-job safety regulations.




No, I am pro gay rights, except for marraige.
And I am pro job safety regulations, except for
any specific ones that might be inane.

I don't think gay relationships are immoral, but I do think they
are unnatural. And I think gays are just made that way,
that it isn't a choice. Gay unions should be
recognized, but not as marraige.


You are a human being, so why are you looking for Middius' approbation.

Middius doesn't care about all you life problems, Middius doesn't care
about your philosophic and metaphysical questions.
When do you understand that Middius is only a lobbyist, out of his lobby
(gay) nothing has any interest and he looks to life with an extrem
condescendence.

When you read Middius you should forget the packing to focus on the content.

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

I wish him well, I hope that when
he comes back, he will be a little more empathetic.

If he does, that will be the end of his ride. The pinheads don't want
a softie, they want a raging *******.

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You think heroin addicts did it intentionally?


YES


Became *addicted* intentionally?


The fact that Heroin is an addictive drug is carefully kept concealed from
non-addicts, particularly in neighborhoods where Heroin addiction is common.

I don't believe that.

Again, are you also saying addicts woke up one day and said
"Today is the day I start my life in hell by becoming
addicted to heroin?"

The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*

Nexus 6

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You think heroin addicts did it intentionally?


YES


Became *addicted* intentionally?

The fact that Heroin is an addictive drug is carefully kept
concealed from non-addicts, particularly in neighborhoods where
Heroin addiction is common.

I don't believe that.

Good.

Again, are you also saying addicts woke up one day and said
"Today is the day I start my life in hell by becoming
addicted to heroin?"

No they get up and say something more like: I don't care about the hell of
addiction, I just wanna get high.

The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*

Both the high and the addiction are intentional. It's just a matter of their
perceptions of costs and benefits.

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:


Sure, in the sens ewe know we ought not to drive too fast
for it might get us killed, or eat fast food cause it might
give us a heart attack. With many drugs, people don't
believe they are *that* addictive, or that they will fall
prey to it.

In other words, they don't wake uyp one morning and say"
Gee, think I'll sacore me a packet and start my addiction
today."



Same as cigarettes. It is widely known that they are addictive
and cause lung cancer, yet peole knowingly start smoking.

Yup.

I was one of them, waiting to start at age 29, and quitting
just over a year ago.

Old enough to know better, too old to look cool doing it.

Nexus 6

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against wasteful social programs that don't work (40 years of failure)
(I am in favor of one's that would work)

Such as?



school vouchers, only in districts with failing schools. I don't
want it to become a subsidy program for the wealthy.
But I want poor parents to have 'choice'.

I am on the fence about this. So far, it seems a transfer
payment from government to pewople who can already afford
private education for their kids.
Also, it may suck more money out of public schools, schools
which are not inherently bad, thouigh some of them stink.


day care for working poor

Bravo!


any programs that would work to prevent single parenthood,
which is the leadiing cause of economic deprivation.

Unless they are those punitive, religion based programs that
approach single parenthood as if it were a crime, and treats
those mothers as criminals.

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Maybe being such a gigantic blowhard is causing too much
stress?



I give him credit for being able to control his weight.
I can't do that!

Might could be his addiction had somethingto do with that.

Maybe going public (though he was outed) is the change.
I wish him well, I hope that when
he comes back, he will be a little more empathetic.

Honestly, I won't be holding my breath.

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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:


I would say the same thing, were it a liberal point man like
Al Franken or James Carvile in the hot seat.

Disagreed. They aren't rabble-rousers and hatemongers. In fact, it

LOL!



Joe

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was not, like Bimbaugh and Falwell, true wolves in sheep's clothing.



It's impossible to forget the image of
Alan Dershowitz and Jerry Falwell arguing
on TV, especially the similarities to
yourself and Kreuger in "debate".
No caricature could be more complete.


Joe

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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

All I need to do is offer all you have said previously on the subject.
There is a tone of hatred about it.
I get that same tone, even more strongly, from some
commentators on the liberal side.

If I were to judge your "open-mindedness" based on how I feel about
your "tone", I'd say you're an ill-informed reactionary bigot.

Ah, the moral arbiter of rao has spoken!

Fortunately, I've listened to other things you have said and balanced
them against the repugnant things.


Alas, least the sycophant is safe!


Joe

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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

It's a great day today, as the culture of death is being beaten
back:
Terry Schiavo will not be cruelly starved and dehydrated to death.
That hideous infanticide procedure called partial birth abortion is
finally going to be outlawed. Oh yeah, it's a great day for life!

Looks like she will be cruelly fed to be forced to live a life as a
vegetable, a life she has previously expressed she did nt want to
live/

Wrong and wrong.

See http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/114603.shtml
"Terri's parents say their daughter is not in a coma or a vegetative
state.
'Over the last 13 years, Terri has laughed with us, cried with us,
talked
with us,
and even tried to get out of her chair,' Bob and Mary Schindler said in
a
statement."


I consider these people as liars. They actually accused her husband of
purposefully causing
her heart attack 13 years ago.

If Terry Schiavo is 39 now, that would have made her 26 at the time of her
heart attack. Unless there was some sort of existing heart condition that I
missed in the news about this story, isn't that awfully young to have a
heart attack?

No72forU

Joe Doofy said:

It's impossible to forget the image of
Alan Dershowitz and Jerry Falwell arguing
on TV, especially the similarities to
yourself and Kreuger in "debate".

God, are you stupid. Did Gregipus sell you a franchise?

No caricature could be more complete.

..... said one of the cheeriest, funniest empty bladders in the world.

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I didn't state myself clearly. I meant to say that if partial birth
abortions are banned outright, we will start killing innocent
mothers to save innocent babies. However, the problem with the
exception is that it will be falsely abused as a loophole (lying
doctors) in some cases.

It's really hard to conceive of a case where a partial birth abortion
would
save a mother's life. Why don't you work up just one believable scenario
where that would be the case.

The vast majority of the real world cases where babies had to be
sacrificed
to save the life of the mother were based on circa-1940s and 1950s medical
technology. Guess what, technology marched on!

Today, abortion is predominately used to preserve the lifestyle of the
mother which is a tad different than saving the life of the mother.

Given that we can preserve the life of incredibly premature infants, this
whole situation exists in an entirely different light than it did at the
time of Roe vs. Wade.

Today's more liberal social mores facilitate a woman carrying a child to
term and delivering it live, without egregious adverse social
repercussions.


Are you talking about single mothers? If so, the egregious adverse
condition is economic. Households headed by single mothers earn far
less than households with father and mother. AS a matter of fact, if
you acciunt for that difference, the disparity between incomes of
whites and blacks tends to disappear.

It is not that I advocate abortion, prevention is certainly
far better. But I just can't see where forcing the will
pro-lifers on the rest of American society can be a workable
solution, even it were the right thing to do. (and it
is not). If they are going to execute (it is murder according
to the pro-lifers) doctors for performing abortions,
they should also execute the mothers seeking abortion.
After all, we do prosecute the instigators in murder for
hire schemes. It is logically and morally consistent to
prosecute both parties. If the reactionaries want to
ban abortions, they better be prepared to
take their moral arguments to their bitter conclusion.

But abortions will not be banned. The enforcement
necessary to do so is too draconian.




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You think heroin addicts did it intentionally?


YES


Became *addicted* intentionally?


The fact that Heroin is an addictive drug is carefully kept concealed
from
non-addicts, particularly in neighborhoods where Heroin addiction is
common.

I don't believe that.

Again, are you also saying addicts woke up one day and said
"Today is the day I start my life in hell by becoming
addicted to heroin?"

The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*


More like "I know that H is addictive and I will likely
become an addict, but I don't
give a **** cause I want to get high.




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No they get up and say something more like: I don't care about the hell of
addiction, I just wanna get high.


Oh my God!
Just a minute ago I said almost the same exact words.
I bet that Arny will be just as mortified as I am.




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The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*



More like "I know that H is addictive and I will likely
become an addict, but I don't
give a **** cause I want to get high.

That's not how a lot of them get started.

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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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No they get up and say something more like: I don't care about the hell of
addiction, I just wanna get high.



Oh my God!
Just a minute ago I said almost the same exact words.
I bet that Arny will be just as mortified as I am.

How will you ever live it down.

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against wasteful social programs that don't work (40 years of failure)
(I am in favor of one's that would work)

Such as?



school vouchers, only in districts with failing schools. I don't
want it to become a subsidy program for the wealthy.
But I want poor parents to have 'choice'.

I am on the fence about this. So far, it seems a transfer
payment from government to pewople who can already afford
private education for their kids.
Also, it may suck more money out of public schools, schools
which are not inherently bad, thouigh some of them stink.


day care for working poor

Bravo!


any programs that would work to prevent single parenthood,
which is the leadiing cause of economic deprivation.

Unless they are those punitive, religion based programs that
approach single parenthood as if it were a crime, and treats
those mothers as criminals.



No, I am a pragmatist about this.

I feel that the last 40 years of Democratic politics has been
mostly a disservice to the poor, and hence, to
the rest of society. At first, well intentioned
mistakes, but now, blind stupidity.

And I grant that many conservatives just don't care,
which is very, very stupid. Poverty and race relations
has an impact on our whole society.

However, I think that in recent years, there seems to
be a growing group of Conservatives that do care.




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Maybe being such a gigantic blowhard is causing too much
stress?



I give him credit for being able to control his weight.
I can't do that!

Might could be his addiction had somethingto do with that.


I don't know. Did he lose weight before
or after he started using the painkillers?




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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

It's a great day today, as the culture of death is being beaten
back:
Terry Schiavo will not be cruelly starved and dehydrated to death.
That hideous infanticide procedure called partial birth abortion
is
finally going to be outlawed. Oh yeah, it's a great day for life!

Looks like she will be cruelly fed to be forced to live a life as a
vegetable, a life she has previously expressed she did nt want to
live/

Wrong and wrong.

See http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/114603.shtml
"Terri's parents say their daughter is not in a coma or a vegetative
state.
'Over the last 13 years, Terri has laughed with us, cried with us,
talked
with us,
and even tried to get out of her chair,' Bob and Mary Schindler said
in
a
statement."


I consider these people as liars. They actually accused her husband of
purposefully causing
her heart attack 13 years ago.

If Terry Schiavo is 39 now, that would have made her 26 at the time of her
heart attack. Unless there was some sort of existing heart condition that
I
missed in the news about this story, isn't that awfully young to have a
heart attack?


Yes
I don't know those details.
Every so often I hear of a young athlete dying of a heart attack.




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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:


The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*



More like "I know that H is addictive and I will likely
become an addict, but I don't
give a **** cause I want to get high.

That's not how a lot of them get started.


By the time they get to H, its likely they have already
been a crack head. H soothes some of the angst
of the crack high.




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Maybe being such a gigantic blowhard is causing too much
stress?



I give him credit for being able to control his weight.
I can't do that!

Might could be his addiction had somethingto do with that.



I don't know. Did he lose weight before
or after he started using the painkillers?


Uh, that depends upon when he started using them, which is
not entirely clear.

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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:

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Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:



The phrase was *intentionally addicted.*



More like "I know that H is addictive and I will likely
become an addict, but I don't
give a **** cause I want to get high.

That's not how a lot of them get started.



By the time they get to H, its likely they have already
been a crack head. H soothes some of the angst
of the crack high.

This is absolutely false, Art. Heroin addiction has been a
problem far longer than crack has even existed as a known
substance.

In fact, the entire theory of "escalation" as relates to
drug usage has long since been disproven. Heroin stands all
on its own as a highly addictive, very destructive drug. One
not too far removed from Rush's habit...

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