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350 sq ft studio space
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing
desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? Thanks for you input Craig |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, ... question 3. Why such a huge desk in such a small room? |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, ... question 3. Why such a huge desk in such a small room? |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? Ethan? |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? Ethan? |
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"Craig Ruggels" wrote in message ... I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Like Agent86 suggested I'd do wood with an optional piece or carpet standing by. I personally tend to like the way drums sound over hard/reflective surfaces as opposed to soft/absorptive surfaces. You may find a short page I did on building a drum isolation floor interesting. ( although Auralex has a premade product not that might work as well with lass hassle. ) : http://www.imjohn.com/DrumFloor/index.htm Best of luck! John L Rice |
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"Craig Ruggels" wrote in message ... I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Like Agent86 suggested I'd do wood with an optional piece or carpet standing by. I personally tend to like the way drums sound over hard/reflective surfaces as opposed to soft/absorptive surfaces. You may find a short page I did on building a drum isolation floor interesting. ( although Auralex has a premade product not that might work as well with lass hassle. ) : http://www.imjohn.com/DrumFloor/index.htm Best of luck! John L Rice |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Wood. Usually absorption is applied to the walls and ceiling, and the floor is left reflective. question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? There's no single answer to this question. It depends on what reverberation time you want the whole room to have. Your room dimensions are in the ratio of 1:1.45:3.72 (H:W:L) which will have some fairly strong resonant modes at various bass frequencies (133Hz, 146Hz, 151Hz, 159Hz, 180Hz to name but a few). I assume that you will not have the whole room open plan, but want subdivide it in some way? I have written a spreadsheet that will calculate many of the acoustic properties of a rectilinear room. You can download this from http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/ChrisW/index.html then click on "Control Room Calculator". You need to enter the room ratios for your room, and then you can fiddle around with different floor, wall and ceiling materials and see how the reverberation time changes Please read the instructions otherwise you could find the spreadsheet difficult to operate. Regards Chris W -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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Craig Ruggels wrote:
I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Wood. Usually absorption is applied to the walls and ceiling, and the floor is left reflective. question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? There's no single answer to this question. It depends on what reverberation time you want the whole room to have. Your room dimensions are in the ratio of 1:1.45:3.72 (H:W:L) which will have some fairly strong resonant modes at various bass frequencies (133Hz, 146Hz, 151Hz, 159Hz, 180Hz to name but a few). I assume that you will not have the whole room open plan, but want subdivide it in some way? I have written a spreadsheet that will calculate many of the acoustic properties of a rectilinear room. You can download this from http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/ChrisW/index.html then click on "Control Room Calculator". You need to enter the room ratios for your room, and then you can fiddle around with different floor, wall and ceiling materials and see how the reverberation time changes Please read the instructions otherwise you could find the spreadsheet difficult to operate. Regards Chris W -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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Craig,
sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do Have a look at the Acoustics FAQ, second in the list on my Articles page: www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html It explains acoustic treatment in depth, room ratios, the pros and cons of carpet versus wood floors, and a lot more. --Ethan |
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Craig,
sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do Have a look at the Acoustics FAQ, second in the list on my Articles page: www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html It explains acoustic treatment in depth, room ratios, the pros and cons of carpet versus wood floors, and a lot more. --Ethan |
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thanks Chris,
I am thinking of dividing it roughly in half for it is very boomy Thanks for the link Craig "Chris Whealy" wrote in message ... Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Wood. Usually absorption is applied to the walls and ceiling, and the floor is left reflective. question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? There's no single answer to this question. It depends on what reverberation time you want the whole room to have. Your room dimensions are in the ratio of 1:1.45:3.72 (H:W:L) which will have some fairly strong resonant modes at various bass frequencies (133Hz, 146Hz, 151Hz, 159Hz, 180Hz to name but a few). I assume that you will not have the whole room open plan, but want subdivide it in some way? I have written a spreadsheet that will calculate many of the acoustic properties of a rectilinear room. You can download this from http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/ChrisW/index.html then click on "Control Room Calculator". You need to enter the room ratios for your room, and then you can fiddle around with different floor, wall and ceiling materials and see how the reverberation time changes Please read the instructions otherwise you could find the spreadsheet difficult to operate. Regards Chris W -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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thanks Chris,
I am thinking of dividing it roughly in half for it is very boomy Thanks for the link Craig "Chris Whealy" wrote in message ... Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Wood. Usually absorption is applied to the walls and ceiling, and the floor is left reflective. question 2, ceiling and wall treatments? There's no single answer to this question. It depends on what reverberation time you want the whole room to have. Your room dimensions are in the ratio of 1:1.45:3.72 (H:W:L) which will have some fairly strong resonant modes at various bass frequencies (133Hz, 146Hz, 151Hz, 159Hz, 180Hz to name but a few). I assume that you will not have the whole room open plan, but want subdivide it in some way? I have written a spreadsheet that will calculate many of the acoustic properties of a rectilinear room. You can download this from http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/ChrisW/index.html then click on "Control Room Calculator". You need to enter the room ratios for your room, and then you can fiddle around with different floor, wall and ceiling materials and see how the reverberation time changes Please read the instructions otherwise you could find the spreadsheet difficult to operate. Regards Chris W -- The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long, but the words of the wise are quiet and few. -- |
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John L Rice wrote:
"Craig Ruggels" wrote in message ... I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Like Agent86 suggested I'd do wood with an optional piece or carpet standing by. I personally tend to like the way drums sound over hard/reflective surfaces as opposed to soft/absorptive surfaces. Wood for sound. Carpet to keep the distance between the bass drum & the drummer constant. And speaking of which... You may find a short page I did on building a drum isolation floor interesting. The closet rod brackets are pure genius. But might not work as well if you had to record a variety of kits & drummers. |
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John L Rice wrote:
"Craig Ruggels" wrote in message ... I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet Like Agent86 suggested I'd do wood with an optional piece or carpet standing by. I personally tend to like the way drums sound over hard/reflective surfaces as opposed to soft/absorptive surfaces. Wood for sound. Carpet to keep the distance between the bass drum & the drummer constant. And speaking of which... You may find a short page I did on building a drum isolation floor interesting. The closet rod brackets are pure genius. But might not work as well if you had to record a variety of kits & drummers. |
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agent86 wrote in message ...
Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) Why an isolation riser - for the neighbors or acoustics? |
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agent86 wrote in message ...
Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) Why an isolation riser - for the neighbors or acoustics? |
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Mike Caffrey wrote:
agent86 wrote in message ... Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) Why an isolation riser - for the neighbors or acoustics? Either & both. |
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Mike Caffrey wrote:
agent86 wrote in message ... Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) Why an isolation riser - for the neighbors or acoustics? Either & both. |
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agent86 wrote in message ...
Mike Caffrey wrote: agent86 wrote in message ... Craig Ruggels wrote: I am converting a 11'7" x 29'9" space into a project studio, 11' mixing desk, seven piece drum kit. sound proofing from outside noise does not apply, but acoustics do. under the desk approx 73 sq ft of Brazilian cheery the rest 277' is concrete. the ceiling is 8ft high. question 1. would you put wood under the kit or carpet I'd build a 1' high isolation riser with a wood top. Then I'd cut a piece of carpet to fit & keep it rolled up closeby, just in case. (Try standing the roll in a corner & see if it traps any bass.) Why an isolation riser - for the neighbors or acoustics? Either & both. What are the acoustical benefits of raising the drums off the floor? |
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Mike Caffrey wrote:
What are the acoustical benefits of raising the drums off the floor? Drums are capable of putting out a large amount of energy & particularly a lot of LF energy. Wood frame walls, floors & ceilings are (typically) quite resonant. Masonry walls & floors, while not very resonant, are pretty good conductors of sound waves & (usually) are solidly connected to frame walls & ceilings at some point not too far away from the drums. I've always operated on the assumption that uncontrolled resonances in the recording environment are not a good thing. (The expert acousticians can keep me honest here.) In a perfect world, you might have the walls & ceiling isolated from the floor, a floating floor, or even a completely isolated "Room within a room". But for a project studio in a pre-existing structure, it's usually easier & cheaper to isolate the drums (or amplifiers) instead of knocking down & rebuilding walls. YMMV. |
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agent86 wrote in message ...
Mike Caffrey wrote: What are the acoustical benefits of raising the drums off the floor? Drums are capable of putting out a large amount of energy & particularly a lot of LF energy. Wood frame walls, floors & ceilings are (typically) quite resonant. Masonry walls & floors, while not very resonant, are pretty good conductors of sound waves & (usually) are solidly connected to frame walls & ceilings at some point not too far away from the drums. I've always operated on the assumption that uncontrolled resonances in the recording environment are not a good thing. (The expert acousticians can keep me honest here.) In a perfect world, you might have the walls & ceiling isolated from the floor, a floating floor, or even a completely isolated "Room within a room". But for a project studio in a pre-existing structure, it's usually easier & cheaper to isolate the drums (or amplifiers) instead of knocking down & rebuilding walls. YMMV. Thanks. I isolated my drums from the floor a while back to cut down on the noise for my downstairs neighbor. I did it by putting a drum rise on 4 car tire. - it took about 15 minutes. It worked well. I did notice less resonance coming through the control room walls, but I don't think it's made much of a difference on tape. |
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