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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my .sf2sounds and VST plugins?
I have a long story of switching DAWs; I started with Cubase, but
never liked its dongle time bomb aspect. Then I used Logic Pro, but its Apple Loops utility was no match for Ableton Live by a mile. So I upgraded to Ableton Live, which was finally intuitive, except its Sampler just couldn't handle my 5000+ hand-picked .sf2 (SoundFont 2) library. (Oh, that dreaded "media files are missing" window as soon as I moved something... and 1 hr+ seek time to relink just one...) Instead of drifting through the other 30 DAWs too on this seemingly endless quest, let's see if I can take a shortcut. In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) Thank you in advance |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my .sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
Keoki wrote:
I have a long story of switching DAWs; I started with Cubase, but never liked its dongle time bomb aspect. Then I used Logic Pro, but its Apple Loops utility was no match for Ableton Live by a mile. So I upgraded to Ableton Live, which was finally intuitive, except its Sampler just couldn't handle my 5000+ hand-picked .sf2 (SoundFont 2) library. (Oh, that dreaded "media files are missing" window as soon as I moved something... and 1 hr+ seek time to relink just one...) Instead of drifting through the other 30 DAWs too on this seemingly endless quest, let's see if I can take a shortcut. In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) I can't promise you they can do what you want, but you should take a good look at reaper and at vegas. Thank you in advance Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my .sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
Peter Larsen wrote:
Keoki wrote: I have a long story of switching DAWs; I started with Cubase, but never liked its dongle time bomb aspect. Then I used Logic Pro, but its Apple Loops utility was no match for Ableton Live by a mile. So I upgraded to Ableton Live, which was finally intuitive, except its Sampler just couldn't handle my 5000+ hand-picked .sf2 (SoundFont 2) library. (Oh, that dreaded "media files are missing" window as soon as I moved something... and 1 hr+ seek time to relink just one...) Instead of drifting through the other 30 DAWs too on this seemingly endless quest, let's see if I can take a shortcut. In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) I can't promise you they can do what you want, but you should take a good look at reaper and at vegas. x2 . Vegas and Reaper (and Acid). geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... Peter Larsen wrote: Keoki wrote: I have a long story of switching DAWs; I started with Cubase, but never liked its dongle time bomb aspect. Then I used Logic Pro, but its Apple Loops utility was no match for Ableton Live by a mile. So I upgraded to Ableton Live, which was finally intuitive, except its Sampler just couldn't handle my 5000+ hand-picked .sf2 (SoundFont 2) library. (Oh, that dreaded "media files are missing" window as soon as I moved something... and 1 hr+ seek time to relink just one...) Instead of drifting through the other 30 DAWs too on this seemingly endless quest, let's see if I can take a shortcut. In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) I can't promise you they can do what you want, but you should take a good look at reaper and at vegas. x2 . Vegas and Reaper (and Acid). Another vote for Reaper. Version 4 is still in Beta, but I've been using it for quite some time. It's lean and mean. Poly |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my .sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
On 17 Jul 2011, Keoki wrote in rec.audio.pro:
In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) I don't know of any recording applications that natively support soundfonts. The ones I know need all an add-on/plugin. I would suggest you look at Reaper for Windows, plus the SFZ player (free, can load one soundfont at a time, but you can run multiple copies of SFZ) or SFZ+ (commercial, can host multiple soundfonts.) Cakewalk Sonar is good, too. |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my.sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
Keoki wrote:
I have a long story of switching DAWs; I started with Cubase, but never liked its dongle time bomb aspect. Then I used Logic Pro, but its Apple Loops utility was no match for Ableton Live by a mile. So I upgraded to Ableton Live, which was finally intuitive, except its Sampler just couldn't handle my 5000+ hand-picked .sf2 (SoundFont 2) library. (Oh, that dreaded "media files are missing" window as soon as I moved something... and 1 hr+ seek time to relink just one...) Eh? That's weird. The free ( or free & pay ) SFZ handles any number of Soundfonts - it just pops up a (Windows) file picker widget. SFZ is a soundfont player VST. But some soundfonts are toxic - they can crash the player(s). What experimentation I have done indicates that they crash them all equally, give or take. I keep Soundfont projects seperate from the projects holding .wav files, partly because of crashiness but mainly because that way I can cycle the MIDI date back out to be edited and re-rendered. Instead of drifting through the other 30 DAWs too on this seemingly endless quest, let's see if I can take a shortcut. In your opinion, what is the most productive / intuitive DAW today to record 24 tracks of audio, .play back my vast .sf2 sound library, and host 4-5 VST plugins? Without a dongle. (Any OS is fine. Dedicated hardware units too.) Thank you in advance I still have a lot of regard for the ease of use of N-Track. I also still use 3.0 because the MTC/Midi Clock stuff works on it. I haven't seen Sonar recommended yet. Sonar handles plugin crashes better. -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote:
I haven't seen Sonar recommended yet. Sonar handles plugin crashes better. Reaper clams to be able to contain fst's in their own confined memoryspace so that they only crash themselves and not the host. As of now only "readware" in this household. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my.sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
Thank you for the recommendations. I tried SFZ, it produced all kinds
of "out of memory" errors on my 18GB RAM PC, but VSampler works fine instead. I installed Reaper too to see if I like it better than Ableton. (My main gripe with Live was Ableton Sampler, which VSampler now bypasses.) My gut reaction to Reaper is that there is way too many doohickeys onscreen (the same tracks shown horizontally and vertically?) though probably there's a reason why. Perhaps all I need is a different skin file. It's an internal tug-of-war. On one hand, I'd prefer a more utilitarian view because it's too easy to be wooed by the dance of rainbow volume LEDs and 3D FFTs how gorgeous one's music looks - when the listener won't see any of this. (Misjudgement danger!) On the other hand, I do notice that I'm more attracted to colorful GUIs at the outset as I'm browsing through various DAW screenshots. Hmm. |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my .sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
Keoki wrote:
Thank you for the recommendations. I tried SFZ, it produced all kinds of "out of memory" errors on my 18GB RAM PC, but VSampler works fine instead. I installed Reaper too to see if I like it better than Ableton. (My main gripe with Live was Ableton Sampler, which VSampler now bypasses.) My gut reaction to Reaper is that there is way too many doohickeys onscreen (the same tracks shown horizontally and vertically?) though probably there's a reason why. Perhaps all I need is a different skin file. It's an internal tug-of-war. On one hand, I'd prefer a more utilitarian view because it's too easy to be wooed by the dance of rainbow volume LEDs and 3D FFTs how gorgeous one's music looks - when the listener won't see any of this. (Misjudgement danger!) On the other hand, I do notice that I'm more attracted to colorful GUIs at the outset as I'm browsing through various DAW screenshots. Hmm. The GUI is based on Sony Vegas (I beleieve), which means that the on-screen dohickies are probably optionally closeable, and also detachable from the main window (great for multi-monitor setups). geoff |
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Most productive DAW app to record 24 tracks of audio, play my.sf2 sounds and VST plugins?
On 7/22/2011 9:08 PM, Keoki wrote:
I installed Reaper too to see if I like it better than Ableton. (My main gripe with Live was Ableton Sampler, which VSampler now bypasses.) Reaper and Abelton Live are very different in concept. Reaper follows the traditional model of a recorder and mixer while Live is a performance tool that you can use in the studio. My gut reaction to Reaper is that there is way too many doohickeys onscreen (the same tracks shown horizontally and vertically?) They all have too many doohickeys on screen. Reaper uses several windows that you can expand, shrink, or even not display at all. For example, you can get rid of the horizontal track window and record, play, and mix from the mixer window. Or you can turn off the mixer window and use the same controls in the left-hand end of the track display. Or you can scrunch down that left-hand end of the track so it has the bare minimum of doohickeys since as you make it smaller, it doesn't just cut off part of the display, it removes some doohickeys. So really, what you see is quite customizable. Or you can scrunch down the audio tracks on the right-hand end and leave some room for the routing matrix if you're working on something where you need to move inputs around from track to track while you're recording, The thing is that the display can be tailored in many ways to best fit what you're doing. But the problem (and I agree with you that it can be a problem) is that the designers have to give you something as a starting point and that may not be what you want to see. So part of the process in learning how to use a DAW is to learn all of the different things you can see, figure out what's useful and when, and set it up so it works best for you. That's the good news. The bad news is that if you don't take some non-productive time to fiddle around with various display options, you will probably never be satisfied. In orther words, it's one of those things that you need to do in order to get beyond the basic functionality. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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