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is the cymatic thingie usable for audio as well as constituting a very good design idea? Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Peter Larsen wrote:
is the cymatic thingie usable for audio as well as constituting a very good design idea? The little handheld 16-track? I found it interesting... record quality was entirely acceptable and the lack of metering and fine gain controls was less of an issue than I'd expected. But the inability to monitor and to make rough mixes in the box was frustrating. I really had no idea what was going to disk until I got the disk out and into a DAW. I think it's a good idea but it needs some software changes. But if you like the idea, you might like the JoeCo. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 01-06-2014 13:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Peter Larsen wrote: is the cymatic thingie usable for audio as well as constituting a very good design idea? The little handheld 16-track? I found it interesting... record quality was entirely acceptable and the lack of metering and fine gain controls was less of an issue than I'd expected. Thank you, it moved a couple of steps closer to the top of the shopping list, it should be a good match for a Soundcraft EPM. But the inability to monitor and to make rough mixes in the box was frustrating. I really had no idea what was going to disk until I got the disk out and into a DAW. So it is portable, but doesn't have all that I love about the not quite as portable HD24 and it gets required to record the monitor mix separately for instant playback if required. A nice thing to do anyway in case something goes awry. I think it's a good idea but it needs some software changes. But if you like the idea, you might like the JoeCo. Thomann sells the Cymatic for Euro 300 or so. The applicable minimum JoeCo is USD 2000. I can live with some shortcomings at that price difference, mostly I only need 4 tracks anyway when on location. --scott Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 06/05/2014 08:16 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
On 01-06-2014 13:01, Scott Dorsey wrote: Peter Larsen wrote: is the cymatic thingie usable for audio as well as constituting a very good design idea? The little handheld 16-track? I found it interesting... record quality was entirely acceptable and the lack of metering and fine gain controls was less of an issue than I'd expected. Thank you, it moved a couple of steps closer to the top of the shopping list, it should be a good match for a Soundcraft EPM. But the inability to monitor and to make rough mixes in the box was frustrating. I really had no idea what was going to disk until I got the disk out and into a DAW. So it is portable, but doesn't have all that I love about the not quite as portable HD24 and it gets required to record the monitor mix separately for instant playback if required. A nice thing to do anyway in case something goes awry. I think it's a good idea but it needs some software changes. But if you like the idea, you might like the JoeCo. Thomann sells the Cymatic for Euro 300 or so. The applicable minimum JoeCo is USD 2000. I can live with some shortcomings at that price difference, mostly I only need 4 tracks anyway when on location. --scott Kind regards Peter Larsen Other options include the Allen & Heath ICE-16 and the Zoom R16. I believe the ICE-16 uses the same basic chipset as the Cymatic device, and is priced between the Cymatic and JoeCo devices. --JC |
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On 6/5/2014 9:16 AM, Peter Larsen wrote:
Thank you, it moved a couple of steps closer to the top of the shopping list, it should be a good match for a Soundcraft EPM. There's a review of it on my web page. So it is portable, but doesn't have all that I love about the not quite as portable HD24 and it gets required to record the monitor mix separately for instant playback if required. A nice thing to do anyway in case something goes awry. For assurance that things won't go awry, I record the stereo mix from the mixer on my portable 2-track recorder. That way you're sure to have both, or worst case you'll lose only one. You could jigger up a cable to connect a pair of tracks of the LR-16 to the mixer's stereo (usually labeled "TAPE") output if you only need to record 14 inputs. Cymatic has a new one coming out that offers 24 tracks of recording and playback. It was supposed to be available 2nd quarter of 2014. I should check with them to see when it's actually coming out. Although it doesn't have an extra 2 tracks to record its monitor mix (at least not according to the preliminary spec sheet) it does have a built-in DSP mixer that goes to the headphone output, so you could play back a rough multitrack mix in the field. Or you could set it up so that its inputs come from the mixer's Insert Send and its outputs go to the mixer's Insert Returns, and get your playback through the mixer if you're doing a field recording job. But that might be risky for recording with live PA since what comes out of the mixer will be going through the recorder. There may not be enough latency to worry about, but there's always the risk that the recorder will somehow decide to mute its outputs. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 05-06-2014 20:59, Mike Rivers wrote:
There's a review of it on my web page. Very informative, thank you. Cymatic has a new one coming out that offers 24 tracks of recording and playback. It was supposed to be available 2nd quarter of 2014. I should check with them to see when it's actually coming out. Although it doesn't have an extra 2 tracks to record its monitor mix (at least not according to the preliminary spec sheet) it does have a built-in DSP mixer that goes to the headphone output, so you could play back a rough multitrack mix in the field. Ah, fits my budget nicely to wait even though the current model is what I think I need. Or you could set it up so that its inputs come from the mixer's Insert Send and its outputs go to the mixer's Insert Returns, and get your playback through the mixer if you're doing a field recording job. But that might be risky for recording with live PA since what comes out of the mixer will be going through the recorder. There may not be enough latency to worry about, but there's always the risk that the recorder will somehow decide to mute its outputs. It has been done with HD24's, but I'd rather not risk loosing the PA if delivering it. Not currently an issue, I'm just looking for something to carry tracks home in that has more tracks than an R44 - I will get an extra 2'hand, that's why it suits me fine to postpone - and weighs less than a HD 24 + 12 channel mixer. If only they had gotten the R44 right so that it could be used with inserts .... Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Peter Larsen wrote:
It has been done with HD24's, but I'd rather not risk loosing the PA if delivering it. Not currently an issue, I'm just looking for something to carry tracks home in that has more tracks than an R44 - I will get an extra 2'hand, that's why it suits me fine to postpone - and weighs less than a HD 24 + 12 channel mixer. If only they had gotten the R44 right so that it could be used with inserts .... Wait, why can't you use the R44 with inserts? You just need four cables with 1/4" phone jacks... T and R on one end tied together to T on the other. It's plugging the Ampex with the 600 ohm input into the inserts that is the pain. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 06-06-2014 13:54, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Peter Larsen wrote: It has been done with HD24's, but I'd rather not risk loosing the PA if delivering it. Not currently an issue, I'm just looking for something to carry tracks home in that has more tracks than an R44 - I will get an extra 2'hand, that's why it suits me fine to postpone - and weighs less than a HD 24 + 12 channel mixer. If only they had gotten the R44 right so that it could be used with inserts .... Wait, why can't you use the R44 with inserts? You just need four cables with 1/4" phone jacks... T and R on one end tied together to T on the other. It's plugging the Ampex with the 600 ohm input into the inserts that is the pain. Line outputs are at -15 dB ref. the input. --scott Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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Peter Larsen wrote:
On 06-06-2014 13:54, Scott Dorsey wrote: Peter Larsen wrote: It has been done with HD24's, but I'd rather not risk loosing the PA if delivering it. Not currently an issue, I'm just looking for something to carry tracks home in that has more tracks than an R44 - I will get an extra 2'hand, that's why it suits me fine to postpone - and weighs less than a HD 24 + 12 channel mixer. If only they had gotten the R44 right so that it could be used with inserts .... Wait, why can't you use the R44 with inserts? You just need four cables with 1/4" phone jacks... T and R on one end tied together to T on the other. It's plugging the Ampex with the 600 ohm input into the inserts that is the pain. Line outputs are at -15 dB ref. the input. Right, but you aren't returning the signal, you're only using the insert as a tap. The cable ties the insert input and output together and feeds that to the recorder. Now, you might need some way to monitor the record feeds but that's probably best done with a second smaller console anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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